lucifer sam Posted August 22, 2010 Report Share Posted August 22, 2010 A set of Swedish averages: http://www.sportowefakty.pl/img/tmp/stat/statelitserien2010.htm Cheers. So two Brits in the top thirty - Richardson (14th) and Harris (17th). The other British riders are shocking though. All the best Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladyluck Posted August 22, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 22, 2010 (edited) But the Swedish Elite League has most of the good non-Poles as well, whereas a few of them are missing from the Polish scene. I don't think there's much in it, though. I'm struggling to think of good non-Poles who are missing out on the Polish scene. They may not be in the Ekstraliga, to be sure, but I'd guess that they are somewhere in Poland (or Latvia and Hungary). Perhaps you'd care to enlighten me? Edited August 22, 2010 by ladyluck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenryW Posted August 22, 2010 Report Share Posted August 22, 2010 A set of Swedish averages: http://www.sportowefakty.pl/img/tmp/stat/statelitserien2010.htm Ghostwalker very kindly provided this link earlier in the thread which suggests that maybe SportoweFakty have a few errors. This one also lets you filter by Nation, which is nice..or maybe not when it lets you see how poor the Brits are http://www.aktuellspeedway.se/1.0.Jostu/index.php?list=leaguestats&id=1&s=2010 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted August 22, 2010 Report Share Posted August 22, 2010 I'm struggling to think of good non-Poles who are mssing out on the Polish scene. They may not be in the Ekstraliga, to be sure, but I'd guess that they are somewhere in Poland (or Latvia and Hungary). Perhaps you'd care to enlighten me? Well, that's the point, isn't it? In Poland, the top riders are spread between two leagues, whereas in Sweden, they're all in one league. Have you seen Dackarna and Elit Vetlanda's teams. They have got to be the best two club sides in the world. All the best Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenryW Posted August 22, 2010 Report Share Posted August 22, 2010 Well, that's the point, isn't it? In Poland, the top riders are spread between two leagues, whereas in Sweden, they're all in one league. Have you seen Dackarna and Elit Vetlanda's teams. They have got to be the best two club sides in the world. I think I agree here. The Swedish top league has everyone in there as lower leagues are poor. In Poland, the next league down is still pretty good and attracts some of the better riders to race there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted August 22, 2010 Report Share Posted August 22, 2010 (edited) Henry, do you have the positions for our riders in the Swedish Elite League averages? All the best Rob A set of Swedish averages: http://www.sportowef...tserien2010.htm the official swedish averages are available at www.speedway.nu click "elitserien" then click "snitt". Edited August 22, 2010 by Ghostwalker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted August 22, 2010 Report Share Posted August 22, 2010 Cheers. So two Brits in the top thirty - Richardson (14th) and Harris (17th). The other British riders are shocking though. All the best Rob after Daniel Kings first season 64p from 8 meetings) i had expected him to be much higher uo but i dont know what happened to him. He haven't had many chances though and half of the chances he have been given have been difficult away meetings against Elit Vetlanda & Lejonen. The other two chances were away against Indianerna and Rospiggarna. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted August 22, 2010 Report Share Posted August 22, 2010 (edited) I'd say that some riders above are in the wrong generations. Marvyn Cox and Andy Smith were certainly before Martin Dugard who started in the same season as Gary Havelock. I'd also put David Norris in the generation before, as he started racing before Chris Louis, although I think Louis might've been a "late starter" in the sport. Still, any post that mentions the wonderful Steve Schofield can't be all bad. Great little rider. A couple of riders missing from that generation would be Andy Galvin and Andrew Silver, who may not have achieved as much as they could've done, but were still a whole lot better than what we see now, Interestingly, Havelock and Dugard had their first season in 1985 and many pundits opined that the best British prospect from that season was the long-forgotten Ali Stevens. tbh they were rough lists and nothing to put under the microscope... although I was expecting someone to do it David Norris didnt become the real deal at that level until it was virtually time to call it a day imho... his 'generation' reflected that.... I think the mentions of Andy Galvin and Andrew Silver outline how the rot had set in already...... of course Andrew didnt fulfil his potential and despite the entertaining style became a middle order average rider but the lack of options meant he was an option to fall back on for the national team....... was Andy Galvin realistically ever an option for anything other than good value in the 2nd tier? (despite his international cap) Dugard was a world finalist in 1989 so to some extent is one of those who cross the boundary.... but yes if we are obsessing about things then i'd have to agree with you that he would come later and maybe we should swap him with Marvyn it was a shame about Ali Stevens..... he helped plug the gap that Marvyn left behind at Rye, along with Andrew and we were fortunate to have seen 3 guys with huge potential pass through the club in a short space of time.......... The last I heard of Ali was that he was apparently working for a Porsche showroom in Herts I guess last season was a bit of a distraction as our younger guys were being pushed and there was hope in some quarters that it would have an effect..... with their disappointing reaction to that this season it just highlights even more the real trouble that we have............ by the time that Nicholls and Richardson retire (or go PL) will two of Kennett, Bridger, King and Barker have stepped up to the plate to replace them? or will it be a continuation of the 1 step forward 2 steps back we have been experiencing with each retirement? Edited August 23, 2010 by spook Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladyluck Posted August 23, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2010 ....... was Andy Galvin realistically ever an option for anything other than good value in the 2nd tier? (despite his international cap) Was Steve Schofield? Another omission from your generations is Joe Owen (in the PC, Morton, Jessup generation), whose career was cruelly blighted and then ended by injury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCOOBYDO Posted August 23, 2010 Report Share Posted August 23, 2010 (edited) Artem should also be a candidate for rider of the night. Five wins the most of any rider and the nearest challengers to that only three wins. Before you take me to task, bear in mind he wasn't the only rider to have an extra ride, Kolodziej, Lindback, Lingren and Zetterstrom those who did. Also, maybe he had engine problems in his single duck egg ride?, as finishing behind Stead and Gapinski didn't tally with his other performances. Oh Yeah he won the meeting too From where I was sat it looked as if he got stuffed on the 1st bend and that was that. Although he looked very classy in front, there wasn't much passing during the meeting which would explain why he stayed at the back. Edited August 23, 2010 by SCOOBYDO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted August 23, 2010 Report Share Posted August 23, 2010 (edited) Was Steve Schofield? Another omission from your generations is Joe Owen (in the PC, Morton, Jessup generation), whose career was cruelly blighted and then ended by injury. in the early 80's Joe Owen was riding NL speedway .... the best anyone has it has to be said!... but still it was 2nd tier and yes there was a time when steve schofield was relied upon next.... Edited August 23, 2010 by spook Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladyluck Posted August 23, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2010 in the early 80's Joe Owen was riding NL speedway .... the best anyone has it has to be said!... but still it was 2nd tier and yes there was a time when steve schofield was relied upon next.... Prior to his dreadful crash in 1978, Owen was averaging over nine in the British League, Steve Schofield never came anywhere close to that. Owen returned to the National League when Hull folded ahead of the 1982 campaign. I think he had one further British League campaign in 1984, when he topped Newcastle's averages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacqueline Posted August 23, 2010 Report Share Posted August 23, 2010 Lars has taken some photos during the GP-Challenge in Vojens which you can see at this album Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tocha Posted August 23, 2010 Report Share Posted August 23, 2010 I wonder what criteria will be used to get Harris into the GPs next year. Last year the authorities selected the GP challenge route selecting both riders who finished in 4th (Lindgren) and 5th (Harris). However, unless he gets in to the top 8, they will have to opt for a different strategy this time. If we assume the current top eight are still there at the end of the series then add the GP qualifiers who will be the final four. To begin with I cannot see either Pedersen or Hancock being left out just as I do not envisage any of the current top eight being left out either should they fall out of the pack although it could be a tight decision between Jonsson and Zetterstrom. To achieve this it is my guess that they will select the next riders down from the final eight. Therefore, if Harris finishes no lower than 12th he should be in. Of course it will allow them to balance things up by giving the final spot to Kolodziej which is no more than he deserves. I have left Sayfutdinov out of the reckoning. If he had made a sucessful return and put decent performances for the rest of the season I imagine he would have been selected next year but Gollob has seen to that now. 1 gollob 2 hampel 3 crump 4 holta 5 bjerre 6 holder 7 andersen 8 jonsson 9 laguta 10 lindback 11 lindgren 12 pedersen 13 hancock 14 harris 15 kolodziej Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladyluck Posted August 23, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2010 (edited) There is no chance of Emil Sayfutdinov being left out next season. That's not going to happen. He's won three GPs last season and made the final in one of the two GPs he completed this year. There would be outrage if he were left out. No one would take the world championship seriously, especially if a relative nonentity like Harris, who has never qualified for the GPs, was included. Edited August 23, 2010 by ladyluck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted August 23, 2010 Report Share Posted August 23, 2010 If King Emil is left out of the GP series, then I won't watch it. I don't think there is a chance that he wouldn't be given a place. Phil Rising, who is high up in FIM circles, more-or-less said in the Speedway Star last week that Emil will be given a seeded spot. All the best Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted August 23, 2010 Report Share Posted August 23, 2010 Emil is a cast iron cert for next season IMO.Jonsson & Anderson might be in danger if they don't make the top 8 IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salty Posted August 23, 2010 Report Share Posted August 23, 2010 Philip Rising's exact words regarding Emil were that he "cannot automatically qualify for next year's SGP series. That is one of BSI's wild cards done and dusted". No grey area there and rightly so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyHart Posted August 23, 2010 Report Share Posted August 23, 2010 Perhaps Hancock and Gollob will make the top 8 and retire at season's end, and that, along with Lindgren in the top 8 could see Harris, who scrapes 11th, back in for a year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladyluck Posted August 23, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2010 Perhaps Hancock and Gollob will make the top 8 and retire at season's end, and that, along with Lindgren in the top 8 could see Harris, who scrapes 11th, back in for a year? Neither gives any sign of being ready to throw in the towel, indeed Gollob spoke of "maybe next year" after his engine failure at Cardiff. Both seem to be in good condition, physically. Neither of them endures the supposed rigours of the British scene. Both are still more than capable of holding their own. As far as I'm aware, neither has a film career in the offing. Also, the GP series itself will lose an awful lot when Gollob finally hangs up the kevlars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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