Sgp Challenge Final

[Ghostwalker]

btw what will happened now if Lindgren would make top 8 in the series?

Will Koldziej get Lindgrens place from Race off or is it the 9th place in the series who will be promoted to 8th?

[Rob B]

1. Artem Laguta (Rus) - 3, 0, 3, 3, 3 = 12+3

2. Antonio Lindback (Swe) - 1, 3, 3, 3, 2 = 12+2

3. Fredrik Lindgren (Swe) - 3, 3, 2, 1, 2 = 11+3

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4. Janusz Kolodziej (Pol) - 3, 3, 3, 2, 0 = 11+2

5. Magnus Zetterstrom (Swe) - 2, 3, 0, 3, 3 = 11+1

6. Thomas H. Jonasson (Swe) - 2, 2, 1, 1, 3 = 9

7. Chris Harris (GB) - 0, 1, 2, 2, 3 = 8

8. Niels-Kristian Iversen (Den) - 3, 2, 1, 1, 0 = 7

9. Andrey Karpov (Ukr) - 2, 1, 2, 1, 1 = 7

10. Grigorij Laguta (Rus) - 2, 0, 2, 0, 2 = 6

11. Simon Stead (GB) - 1, 1, 1, 2, 1 = 6

12. Leon Madsen (Den) - 0, 0, 0, 3, 2 = 5

13. Roman Povazhny (Rus) - 0, 2, 3, X, 0 = 5

14. Grzegorz Walasek (Pol) - 1, 2, 0, 0, 1 = 4

15. Sebastian Ulamek (Pol) - 1, 0, 1, 2, 0 = 4

16. Tomasz Gapinski (Pol) - 0, 2, 0, 0, 1 = 3

[manchesterpaul]

Artem should also be a candidate for rider of the night. Five wins the most of any rider and the nearest challengers to that only three wins.

 

Before you take me to task, bear in mind he wasn't the only rider to have an extra ride, Kolodziej, Lindback, Lingren and Zetterstrom those who did. Also, maybe he had engine problems in his single duck egg ride?, as finishing behind Stead and Gapinski didn't tally with his other performances.

 

Oh Yeah he won the meeting too

[ladyluck]

Congratulations to Artem Laguta on his win and to Antonio Lindback and Fredrik Lindgren on clinching their places in the 2011 circus. All this talk of Lindgren making the top eight ignores that the best thing for the Swedes would be if Lindgren and Jonsson can manufactuer a situation where Jonsson gets eighth place. As things stand, Jonsson is in a bit of a tricky situation.

Personally, I think if Hancock can continue his form from Malilla, then the American will make it into the top eight, while Jonsson seems hopelessly lost at the minute.

Dreadful shame for Janusz Kolodziej, who now stands virtually no chance of being a GPer next season. He now ranks below Harris, Woffinden and probably every other British rider when it comes to nominations. It's not right. It's not proper.

[racers and royals]

Taken from the fim grand prix rules

Should a rider or riders who have qualified directly, either by being in the top 8 of

the Final Overall Grand Prix Classification or in the top 3 of the FIM Grand Prix

qualification system or who qualified through both systems, withdraw prior to the

start of the Grand Prix season, the first rider or riders available on the Official

Grand Prix Qualified Substitute list shall replace him or them.

[spook]

Pretty sure Kolodziej gets the spot.

 

I wouldnt be so sure!

with the current battle for the top 8 stretching to 12 riders..... and IMG's quota system needing to be considered (involving things like the amount of Poles making the top 8, and the amounts of the other 'major' nations)..... I dont think it will be so straight forward...especially including two russians now

 

I think their 4 picks already involve 1) Emil 2) NickiP (unless he qualifies as of right) 3) a brit (unless Bomber qualifies)

 

that then leaves a decision over Kolodziej, & Hancock, Hans and AJ if they havent made the top 8.......... I can see them doing this by quota and having the swedes, poles and danes all on 3 each .............. or maybe they will see it as a natural time for Greg to be replaced by someone younger

 

in the end it really could be as simple as Zorro and Tai out.... Artem and Antonio in

 

congrats to Artem, Antonio and Freddie ......they were all worth their placings with Artem in particular the stand out guy..... he seems very technically gifted and ready to mix it with the big guys...... bad bad luck for Kolodziej and I think it is going to be tight as to whether he is offered a spot or not

 

good to see the brits didnt disgrace themselves in the end.... but I have lost count now of how many times the brits turn up to a meeting with the wrong setup ..... gp's, swc, qualifier it doesnt matter it seems as we have double our share of seemingly inferior prep

[lucifer sam]

Congratulations to Artem Laguta on his win and to Antonio Lindback and Fredrik Lindgren on clinching their places in the 2011 circus. All this talk of Lindgren making the top eight ignores that the best thing for the Swedes would be if Lindgren and Jonsson can manufactuer a situation where Jonsson gets eighth place. As things stand, Jonsson is in a bit of a tricky situation.

Personally, I think if Hancock can continue his form from Malilla, then the American will make it into the top eight, while Jonsson seems hopelessly lost at the minute.

Dreadful shame for Janusz Kolodziej, who now stands virtually no chance of being a GPer next season. He now ranks below Harris, Woffinden and probably every other British rider when it comes to nominations. It's not right. It's not proper.

 

Kolodziej blow a great chance this evening. He was the best rider for most of the meeting, but didn't have the bottle when it came down to the crunch.

 

He may still get in if Lindgren pushes up into the top 8. Otherwise I don't see why Kolodziej should be in the GP next season - he showed tonight that he can't perform under pressure so he's likely to struggle in the GPs.

 

All the best

Rob

[Speedy swindon pete]

Kolodziej blow a great chance this evening. He was the best rider for most of the meeting, but didn't have the bottle when it came down to the crunch.

 

He may still get in if Lindgren pushes up into the top 8. Otherwise I don't see why Kolodziej should be in the GP next season - he showed tonight that he can't perform under pressure so he's likely to struggle in the GPs.

 

All the best

Rob

 

he really struggled when he was a wildcard in the GP opener this season didnt he...

[essaitch]

Think there's a good chance Laguta being in could mean Emil won't get a pick?

[ladyluck]

Kolodziej blow a great chance this evening. He was the best rider for most of the meeting, but didn't have the bottle when it came down to the crunch.

 

He may still get in if Lindgren pushes up into the top 8. Otherwise I don't see why Kolodziej should be in the GP next season - he showed tonight that he can't perform under pressure so he's likely to struggle in the GPs.

 

Who, realistically, is better than Kolodziej? You can't possibly say that a British rider should be nominated ahead of him. They (Harris and Stead) coped with the pressure situation even worse than he did, while Woffinden couldn't even make it to Vojens. The pressure of the semi-final was too much for him to take.

There is no chance of Sayfutdinov missing out on the nominations. He won three GPs last season and made one final this season. He's only completed two GPs, so that's a decent return. Think about it. He's only completed two GPs and yet is still above Woffinden in the standings.

Edited August 21, 2010 by ladyluck

[spook]

Taken from the fim grand prix rules

Should a rider or riders who have qualified directly, either by being in the top 8 of

the Final Overall Grand Prix Classification or in the top 3 of the FIM Grand Prix

qualification system or who qualified through both systems, withdraw prior to the

start of the Grand Prix season, the first rider or riders available on the Official

Grand Prix Qualified Substitute list shall replace him or them.

 

i'm not sure that this applies to what people are asking though.............we have seen this in the case of Davey Watt coming in to replace Emil through Emil being unable to take his place

 

In the case of Freddie making the top 8 i'm not so sure that the qualifying spot doesnt fall into the black hole of IMG/FIM freedom and manipulation............ someone suggested in a recent post that this very scenario did happen in recent years and that it resulted in a permanent wildcard pick rather than the next qualifier slotting in............. I hope for Kolodziej's sake that doesnt happen if that scenario happens

[HenryW]

Kolodziej blow a great chance this evening. He was the best rider for most of the meeting, but didn't have the bottle when it came down to the crunch.

 

He may still get in if Lindgren pushes up into the top 8. Otherwise I don't see why Kolodziej should be in the GP next season - he showed tonight that he can't perform under pressure so he's likely to struggle in the GPs.

I think it's harsh to say that he can't perform under pressure.

He missed out in a close run-off which he would never have been in if he hadn't had mechanical troubles in his final race of the 20 heats.

[lucifer sam]

Think there's a good chance Laguta being in could mean Emil won't get a pick?

 

Not a chance. Emil is the hottest young property in World Speedway - he'll be first pick when it comes to the four seeded riders for next year's series. IMG/BSI will be relieved that two Swedes have qualified - it makes it much easier for next season now. Seeds will be Emil, Nicki P, maybe Greg, and one but probably two Brits - Harris and, er, Nicholls???

 

It's not right that two Brits will be seeded, but that's what is likely to happen.

 

All the best

Rob

[Heathcote]

Emil is as guaranteed as the world champion of a place in next years GP series.

 

How can you kick someone out of the series who will only ride 4 rounds out of the 11 due to injury and could actually still finish above Tai in the final standings

[manchesterpaul]

Think there's a good chance Laguta being in could mean Emil won't get a pick?

 

Really can't see that remotely having a chance of happening. I'd certainly leave the sport behind if something as crazy as that took place.

[Champion]

i hope that BSI/IMG will give Kolodziej a Wild Card. Its not his fault that his bike broke down.

Perhaps the EF was because of the new silencers?

EF was because of one very very very little pebble that choked the carburettor

[salty]

Think there's a good chance Laguta being in could mean Emil won't get a pick?

No chance of that I hope. The guy finished 3rd last year and would have been in the top 8 this year if it wasn't for his injuries. He is a must for next year.

 

That leaves 3 slots and I guess it all depends which riders get in the top 8.

Don't really want to see any of Jonsson, Pedersen, Hancock or Andersen miss out to just to let the Brits get 2 in.

I also would like to see Kolodziej get in, which would require Lindgren getting into the top eight.

[lucifer sam]

I think it's harsh to say that he can't perform under pressure.

He missed out in a close run-off which he would never have been in if he hadn't had mechanical troubles in his final race of the 20 heats.

 

HenryW, he went from likely meeting winner to non-qualifier. And GP racing is harsh.

 

Kolodziej rode superbly for 4 races, but then blew it.

 

All the best

Rob

[racers and royals]

i'm not sure that this applies to what people are asking though.............we have seen this in the case of Davey Watt coming in to replace Emil through Emil being unable to take his place

 

In the case of Freddie making the top 8 i'm not so sure that the qualifying spot doesnt fall into the black hole of IMG/FIM freedom and manipulation............ someone suggested in a recent post that this very scenario did happen in recent years and that it resulted in a permanent wildcard pick rather than the next qualifier slotting in............. I hope for Kolodziej's sake that doesnt happen if that scenario happens

I also wasn`t sure it was applicable in this case-and i`m sure before someone has finished in the top eight and the top three in the challenge but i can`t remember what happened.

[spook]

Not a chance. Emil is the hottest young property in World Speedway - he'll be first pick when it comes to the four seeded riders for next year's series. IMG/BSI will be relieved that two Swedes have qualified - it makes it much easier for next season now. Seeds will be Emil, Nicki P, maybe Greg, and one but probably two Brits - Harris and, er, Nicholls???

 

It's not right that two Brits will be seeded, but that's what is likely to happen.

 

All the best

Rob

 

I'm hoping that IMG are more in tune this season than any other and realise that there is no way to justify two picks....... the level of competition is fierce and probably the highest the GP's has seen... its borderline to warrant one pick as it is!......... I see no point in pushing Tai back in so soon.... and the reality is that Scott and Rico had enough chances to gain top class teams and machinery around them and they ended up well adrift of the pack