Swedish Elitserien Round 15

[Ipswich Jules]

Why would have been no contest ? ...Nicholls has already been beaten up by Emil Sayfutdinov .... The other question is how did Thj get near other riders ?

 

Scott used to box if I remember correctly, my money would be on him

 

I dunno how THJ managed to find his way to the track - he doesn't normally bother I thought!

[M.D]

Rose tinted specs methinks, Nicholls drifted slightly outwards and they clashed, no ones particular fault.

 

Why is that Dekker, apart from the so called 'Team Shields' slur you have on me? It was clear that before the third run of the race that THJ looked towards Scott at the tapes in a provocative fashion, it was clear he was going to clash with him for a second time...

[drew2]

Didn't really see what Scott did wrong in the last re-run. THJ tried turning left but Scott was there as he had every right to be. THJ turned left well before the corner so where was Scott meant to go, the centre green? After that it was just a racing incident as THJ had his shoudler under Scott's arm so it was always going to end in the way it did.

I am certainly not a big Scotty fan either but the slating he has received on this thread from some quarters is unreasonable in my opinion.

[Dekker]

Why is that Dekker, apart from the so called 'Team Shields' slur you have on me? It was clear that before the third run of the race that THJ looked towards Scott at the tapes in a provocative fashion, it was clear he was going to clash with him for a second time...

So that explains why Scott drifted towards THJ out of the start as he lifted slightly in the 3rd rerun? Scott really must have been intimidated

LOL.

 

Re team Shields, that's your bias.

[HenryW]

For anyone who hasn't seen the incident, you can watch it here:

 

THJ and Scotty collide.

 

It only shows the final coming together, not the previous attempt to run the race where they also collided.

[Mark]

For anyone who hasn't seen the incident, you can watch it here:

 

THJ and Scotty collide.

 

It only shows the final coming together, not the previous attempt to run the race where they also collided.

 

THJ at fault. He came across and leaned on Nicholls before the bend. Nicholls could have shut off but once you do that your card is marked

[Ghostwalker]

THJ at fault. He came across and leaned on Nicholls before the bend. Nicholls could have shut off but once you do that your card is marked

 

to me it looks (when looing at the video replay) more like NIcholls drifts out after the start towards THJ and thereby causes the crash.

When the crash occurs THJ is still keeping his line while Nicholls is further out hen he was at the start line.

 

This is also how i experienced it at the trackside i stood at the same corner as the crash happened just at the entrance of the bend.

Edited August 11, 2010 by Ghostwalker

[HenryW]

Didn't notice the incident was on youtube now.

 

This shows the first clash between them as well...

 

[superguest]

I'd have excluded both riders personally. Do these riders have history? The way THJ hit his head on the floor was painful to view!

Edited August 11, 2010 by superguest

[Cornishfisherman]

I think if Jonasson continues to ride like this his career will be cut short. On both occasions his leaning on the rider on the inside causes his opponent to straighten out and hence the cause of both crashes . Why he wasn't excluded the first time I will never know. As for the second instance it was lunacy ! how can you lean on a rider like that before the turn? As for Crump and his cronies having a go at Scott is beyond belief.

Edited August 11, 2010 by Cornishfisherman

[Mark]

just watched youtube. THJ at fault both times, leaning on nicholls both times. He was excluded so no idea what crump was doing giving nicholls a verbal

[f-s-p]

Hard speedway on both occasions. Cant see a problem with THJ leaning and Nicholls clearly wipes him out on the first one. Should have been excluded so the second one would never have happened. That one THJ created all by himself by leaning on Scotty's arm forcing his bike to straighten...

 

Would have probably been a good match to see from start to finish.

[Anders]

SWEDISH ELITSERIEN ROUND 15

Tuesday August 10th 2010

 

LEJONEN - VÄSTERVIK 53-43

at Axelent Arena, Gislaved

 

Attendence: 6788

 

Heat details, courtesy of www.speedway.nu.

 

Lejonen (home) 53

1. Chris Holder 0-2*-1*-1-2-2 = 8+2 (6)

2. Leigh Adams 2-3-3-2-2*-1* = 13+2 (6)

3. David Ruud 2*-3-0-2-3-2 = 12+1 (6)

4. Nicki Pedersen R/R (3,2*,1,2)

5. Mikael Max 2-1-3-1*-0 = 7+1 (5)

6. Artur Mroczka 1*-0-N-3-1* = 5+2 (4)

7. Dennis Andersson 2-2*-2*-0-2* = 8+3 (5)

8. Oliver Berntzon

 

Västervik (away) 43

1. Tomasz Jedrzejak 3-1-1-1-0 = 6 (5)

2. Joonas Kylmäkorpi 1-0-0-0 = 1 (4)

3. Chris Harris 0-0-3-3-0 = 6 (5)

4. Nicolai Klindt 1-1-N-0 = 2 (3)

5. Tomasz Gollob 3-3-3-3-1-3 = 16 (6)

6. Robin Messing 0-N-N-0 = 0 (2)

7. Denis Gizatullin 3-1-2*-2*-1-3 = 12+2 (6)

8. Robin Bergqvist 0 = 0 (1)

 

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INDIANERNA - VALSARNA 58-38

at ICA Maxi Arena, Kumla

 

Attendence: 2832

 

Heat details, courtesy of www.speedway.nu.

 

Indianerna (home) 58

1. Niels-Kristian Iversen 2*-0-0-N = 2+1 (3)

2. Bjarne Pedersen 3-2-1-0 = 6 (4)

3. Piotr Protasiewicz 3-3-1-1-3 = 11 (5)

4. Grzegorz Walasek 1-1-3-3-2* = 10+1 (5)

5. Magnus Zetterström 2-2*-1-2*-0 = 7+2 (5)

6. Simon Gustafsson 2*-1*-3-3-3-2 = 14+2 (6)

7. Renat Gafurov 3-1*-2-2* = 8+1 (4)

8. Marcus Johansson

 

Valsarna (away) 38

1. Tomasz Gapinski 1-0-N-3-1 = 5 (4)

2. Krzysztof Jablonski 0-2-1-N = 3 (3)

3. Daniel Nermark 2-3-Fx-2-0-0 = 7 (6)

4. Roman Povazhny 0-3-2*-1-2*-1 = 9+2 (6)

5. Sebastian Ulamek 3-0-3-R-1-3 = 10 (6)

6. Victor Palovaara N-0-N-0 = 0 (2)

7. Henrik Gustafsson R-R-2-1 = 3 (4)

8. Anders Mellgren 1 = 1 (1)

 

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ROSPIGGARNA - PIRATERNA 41-55

at Orionparken, Hallstavik

 

Attendence: 2084

 

Heat details, courtesy of www.speedway.nu.

 

Rospiggarna (home) 41

1. Jesper B Monberg 0-0-N-1 = 1 (3)

2. Kauko Nieminen 3-3-1-1-0-0 = 8 (6)

3. Wieslaw Jagus 1-2-M-3-3-1 = 10 (6)

4. Sebastian Aldén 0-1*-N-0 = 1+1 (3)

5. Ryan Sullivan 1-1*-2-3-3 = 10+1 (5)

6. Anton Rosén 1*-0-N-0 = 1+1 (3)

7. Mads Korneliussen 2-2*-2-2*-1-1 = 10+2 (6)

8. Linus Lydin

 

Piraterna (away) 55

1. Rafal Dobrucki 1*-Fx-0-N = 1+1 (3)

2. Robert Kosciecha 2-3-3-1-2* = 11+1 (5)

3. Greg Hancock 2*-3-3-2-3 = 13+1 (5)

4. Antonio Lindbäck 3-1-2*-1*-2 = 9+2 (5)

5. Jonas Davidsson 2*-3-1-0-0 = 6+1 (5)

6. Linus Sundström 0-0-0-2* = 2+1 (4)

7. Maciej Janowski 3-3-2*-3-2 = 13+1 (5)

8. Tomas Bäck

 

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VARGARNA - ELIT VETLANDA 46-49

at ICA Maxi Arena, Norrköping

 

Attendence: 2958

 

Heat details, courtesy of www.speedway.nu.

 

Vargarna (home) 46

1. Adrian Miedzinski 0-3-1*-0-3 = 7+1 (5)

2. Adam Shields 2-Fx-1-1-0 = 4 (5)

3. Tai Woffinden 3-1*-2-R-N = 6+1 (4)

4. Michael Jepsen Jensen 0-2-1*-2*-0 = 5+2 (5)

5. Krzysztof Kasprzak 2-2-3-2-1 = 10 (5)

6. Kim Nilsson 3-1*-3-0-2-3 = 12+1 (6)

7. Scott Nicholls 2*-Fn-N-N = 2+1 (1)

8. Sebastian Carlsson 0 = 0 (1)

 

Elit Vetlanda (away) 49

1. Lee Richardson 3-3-3-2*-2* = 13+2 (5)

2. Janusz Kolodziej 1-F-1-1-2 = 5 (5)

3. Jaroslaw Hampel 1*-2-0-3-1* = 7+2 (5)

4. Thomas H Jonasson 2-Fx-N-N = 2 (2)

5. Jason Crump 3-3-3-3-1-3 = 16 (6)

6. Robin Aspegren T-2-0-0-1* = 3+1 (5)

7. Adrian Gomolski 1-0-0-2 = 3 (4)

8. Jonas Messing 0 = 0 (1)

 

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CURRENT STANDING:

1. Dackarna, 14, 11-2-1, 7/7, 31p (+191)

2. Elit Vetlanda, 13, 11-1-1, 5/6, 28p (+197)

3. Piraterna, 13, 9-1-3, 4/6, 23p (+81)

4. Lejonen, 13, 7-1-5, 5/6, 20p (+42)

5. Västervik, 15, 7-0-8, 2/7, 16p (-48)

6. Vargarna, 13, 5-0-8, 3/6, 13p (-13)

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7. Indianerna, 13, 5-0-8, 1/6, 11p (-89)

8. Valsarna, 13, 1-1-11, 1/6, 4p (-181)

9. Rospiggarna, 13, 1-0-12, 0/6, 2p (-180)

 

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NEXT ROUND - AUGUST 17TH 2010:

 

Västervik - Lejonen

Valsarna - Indianerna (on Canal+)

Piraterna - Rospiggarna

Elit Vetlanda - Vargarna

 

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My pennies worth from the three incidents in the Vargarna vs Elit Vetlanda meeting:

 

Shields vs Jonasson is more of a racing incident than anything else, and if it could have been all back after the first bend, this would have been it. Jonasson goes for the racing line and has no intention of taking Shields off, he doesn't look for him (as the commentators on Swedish TV thought was the main reason for the ref's decision), he's just racing and does nothing wrong. However, even though Shields tries to blast around another rider, which isn't a great idea at this specific track, he doesn't do anything wrong either, even though he had the option of moving a bit further. Well, it just happens sometimes, but if someone must be excluded, it think it should have been Jonasson.

 

Nicholls vs Jonasson part 1 is the easiest of the three decisions as Nicholls lift and collects Jonasson. Definitely not intentional, but Nicholls' fault. I can't believe how that could be an all back decision.

 

Nicholls vs Jonasson part 2 is a racing incident (exchanging elbows, cutting infront etc) which we see every meeting, though not always ending with a crash. Should have been all back, even more so given the fact that was the decision in the first attempt, which had a rider more clearly at fault.

 

I think the referee was wrong in all three decisions this time, so it goes to show how difficult it is to be a referee and make the "right" decision (in people's minds).

[racers and royals]

Nearly 7000 in Lejonen-what a crowd !

[Ghostwalker]

Nearly 7000 in Lejonen-what a crowd !

 

it is a very good crowd, however there was a free entrance for that meeting where the sponsors pays 1 Swedish kr/spectator to Lejonen

to cover up for the lack of entrance fees,

Edited August 12, 2010 by Ghostwalker

[Midnight_Lady]

Didn't notice the incident was on youtube now.

 

This shows the first clash between them as well...

 

 

Tough call but if forced I would have excluded Nicholls in the first one. THJ was at fault in the second one just being over zealous in trying to stop Nicholls getting to the corner.

[Daniel Smith]

After watching the clip of both incidence I would have excluded Nicholls on both occasions.

 

In the first run theres nothing wrong with what either rider was doing. The fact that Nicholls pick up coming out of turn 2 warranted his exclusion. (Pause clip on 19 & 52 secs) Nicholls exclusion all day long.

 

In the 2nd run THJ just got the edge on Nicholls for the run to the corner and Nicholls turns his bike way to early down the straight to intentionally hit THJ (Pause clip on 1.43 & 2.00 mins)

 

On both occasions Nicholls should have been excluded

 

Edited August 13, 2010 by screamer