spook Posted August 15, 2010 Report Share Posted August 15, 2010 how would it be a case of 'ditching'? IMG and SKY dont invest into or train up riders.... they promote and televise the world championship the basic facts are that they offered him a wildcard and he has shown that he isnt ready.... this certainly isnt the first time this has happened and i'm sure it wont be the last......... what has happened only once before though is that someone has been given a wildcard above someone who outscored them and wasnt offered a wildcard.... and it was an embarrassing situation.... I cannot see IMG choosing that route again so quickly the chances are that just like other riders before him Tai will be disappointed with his championship position and will know he will have to go away... lick his wounds... and work a bit harder to get back in ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladyluck Posted August 15, 2010 Report Share Posted August 15, 2010 ......... what has happened only once before though is that someone has been given a wildcard above someone who outscored them and wasnt offered a wildcard.... and it was an embarrassing situation.... I cannot see IMG choosing that route again so quickly It has happened on several occasions. Richardson was given a nomination for 2006 ahead of the higher scoring Hans Andersen, for a start, as well as Chris Harris being nominated ahead of Grzegorz Walasek and Sebastian Ulamek for 2010. BSI had little shame in doing so in the past and I can't see them having any shame about doing it in the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted August 15, 2010 Report Share Posted August 15, 2010 It has happened on several occasions. Richardson was given a nomination for 2006 ahead of the higher scoring Hans Andersen, for a start, as well as Chris Harris being nominated ahead of Grzegorz Walasek and Sebastian Ulamek for 2010. BSI had little shame in doing so in the past and I can't see them having any shame about doing it in the future. quite right ... I had forgotten about Walasek and Ulamek from last year.... maybe you are right and they would do it again...... surely Tai would still have to stick in some very impressive performances though? the wildcard over Andersen was not straight forward as he ended the season with strong criticism of the way the championship was run.... it was certainly seen at the time as a factor in their decision despite it also conveniently favouring the brit quota Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladyluck Posted August 15, 2010 Report Share Posted August 15, 2010 quite right ... I had forgotten about Walasek and Ulamek from last year.... maybe you are right and they would do it again...... surely Tai would still have to stick in some very impressive performances though? the wildcard over Andersen was not straight forward as he ended the season with strong criticism of the way the championship was run.... it was certainly seen at the time as a factor in their decision despite it also conveniently favouring the brit quota Andersen's strong criticism came after the nominations were announced, as far as I recall, with the suggestion being that his criticisms might affect possible future nominations. That season BSI had seven nominations to play with, as there was no GP challenge. As it transpired, Andersen hardly suffered as he won as a GP "wild card" in Copenhagen and then assumed Rickardsson's place when he retired. Now, however, he's back among the also-rans, needed a nomination for this season and is hardly secure in the top eight. Looking at the current standings it's all getting very tight in the fight for a top eight place. Hancock's fine showing in Malilla sees him now just a couple of points behind Jonsson in eighth place, with Harris in there as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted August 15, 2010 Report Share Posted August 15, 2010 Andersen's strong criticism came after the nominations were announced, as far as I recall, with the suggestion being that his criticisms might affect possible future nominations. That season BSI had seven nominations to play with, as there was no GP challenge. As it transpired, Andersen hardly suffered as he won as a GP "wild card" in Copenhagen and then assumed Rickardsson's place when he retired. Now, however, he's back among the also-rans, needed a nomination for this season and is hardly secure in the top eight. Looking at the current standings it's all getting very tight in the fight for a top eight place. Hancock's fine showing in Malilla sees him now just a couple of points behind Jonsson in eighth place, with Harris in there as well. I had a look at the standings earlier, I hadn't realised how close it all was.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted August 15, 2010 Report Share Posted August 15, 2010 (edited) quite right ... I had forgotten about Walasek and Ulamek from last year.... maybe you are right and they would do it again...... surely Tai would still have to stick in some very impressive performances though? the wildcard over Andersen was not straight forward as he ended the season with strong criticism of the way the championship was run.... it was certainly seen at the time as a factor in their decision despite it also conveniently favouring the brit quota I doubt that he or Harris need to. Harris got a WC for his season and what impressive performance did he provide last season to earn it? I am pretty sure that at least 1 Brit will get himself a nomination. no matter if Harris manage to squeeze himself into top 8 (only 4p behind though)or not. Edited August 15, 2010 by Ghostwalker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted August 15, 2010 Report Share Posted August 15, 2010 Andersen's strong criticism came after the nominations were announced, as far as I recall, with the suggestion being that his criticisms might affect possible future nominations. That season BSI had seven nominations to play with, as there was no GP challenge. As it transpired, Andersen hardly suffered as he won as a GP "wild card" in Copenhagen and then assumed Rickardsson's place when he retired. Now, however, he's back among the also-rans, needed a nomination for this season and is hardly secure in the top eight. Looking at the current standings it's all getting very tight in the fight for a top eight place. Hancock's fine showing in Malilla sees him now just a couple of points behind Jonsson in eighth place, with Harris in there as well. I must admit I dont remember it like that at all and instead I thought it happened before the final GP had even taken place with the revenge coming later with the noms....... although tbh 'er indoors is always calling into question my memory so I wouldnt be suprised if I invented that! it is tight and anyone involved in that fight who isnt offered a spot will be unlucky indeed I doubt that he or Harris need to. Harris got a WC for his season and what impressive performance did he provide last season to earn it? I am pretty sure that at least 1 Brit will get himself a nomination. no matter if Harris manage to squeeze himself into top 8 (only 4p behind though)or not. yeah it is true Bomber did have a poor season..... the difference to Tai may be though that Bomber is a racer.. and quite a spectacular one......... his poor gating suffered badly under slick Olsen track prep and I think IMG could be forgiven for wanting to include him after making their statement in moving Ole 'upstairs' a year early..... it is just a shame that the playing field wasnt level for Seb and Greg in the process Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gearhead Posted August 15, 2010 Report Share Posted August 15, 2010 What a load of BS. Look at the last 13 GPs - Gollob has made 9 finals and would have been 10 if he had not had the EF at Cardiff. So looking at the 3 Grand Prix that he has not made the finals can you tell me the tracks? Well.....2 in Poland for a start so that rams your logic behind home advantage! Bydgoszcz 09, Leszno 10 and Vojens 09 are the in addition to Cardiff 10 that he did not make the final in. I'm sure if you rewatch these 13 GPs you will probably count 40+ overtakes from Gollob, he got one wrong last night - it's done and dusted he was excluded, time to move on....nothing to see here! Eerr I think you've got the wrong end of the stick,I wasn't after Gollob's stats,or Hampel's or Holta,you clearly have more badges on your anorak and more Lech scarves and badly fitting caps than me Gollob is a one off but look at how Polish Speedway has come on since the SGP series began,money seems to talk a whole lot,maybe more so between the BSI and some Polish clubs,maybe we'll see a Polish wildcard next year? I'm willing to bet the whole world cup will be held there sooner or later if they decide to start to run it that way,they are guaranteed to get it first anyway,aaahh take half the GP's as well while you're at it.., Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squire Posted August 15, 2010 Report Share Posted August 15, 2010 (edited) Not a bad GP but Gollob thinks he can do no wrong as he has got away with that type of dangerous riding for far to long now. Turning right on AJ was another occasion when a rider could have got very seriously hurt. He is really getting arrogant about what he can get away with, but if he does become world champion with those sort of tactics, it will not be in the true spirit of the sport. Rune Holta marked his card in the final, from being leaned on hard in an ealier heat, so no messing and who can blame him? . Edited August 15, 2010 by Squire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyHart Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 I think this season could help Woffinden, he is only 20 after all so maybe if he was dropped next year he could take his experiences and know the level he must reach in future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topaz325 Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 Not a bad GP but Gollob thinks he can do no wrong as he has got away with that type of dangerous riding for far to long now. Turning right on AJ was another occasion when a rider could have got very seriously hurt. He is really getting arrogant about what he can get away with, but if he does become world champion with those sort of tactics, it will not be in the true spirit of the sport. Rune Holta marked his card in the final, from being leaned on hard in an ealier heat, so no messing and who can blame him? . I really enjoy watching Gollob racing and hope he wins the GP title but that move on Emil S was reckless and out of order. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons69 Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 it wasn't a racing incident, Gollob was basically on the white line down the straight Emil was taking the corner and Gollob wiped him out, to me that is no racing incident. We see lots of racing incidents. That was near carnage caused by one of the most reckless moves I have seen in a long time. Chink in his armour. Let's hope he has the courage, and I am not questioning his on track courage, to publicly apologise to Emil, and admit his extreme bad judgement! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gearhead Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 We see lots of racing incidents. That was near carnage caused by one of the most reckless moves I have seen in a long time. Chink in his armour. Let's hope he has the courage, and I am not questioning his on track courage, to publicly apologise to Emil, and admit his extreme bad judgement! We can hope all we want,but i think he's far too arrogant to do that,especially to a "kid" like Emil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mothorsen Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 I doubt that he or Harris need to. Harris got a WC for his season and what impressive performance did he provide last season to earn it? I am pretty sure that at least 1 Brit will get himself a nomination. no matter if Harris manage to squeeze himself into top 8 (only 4p behind though)or not. If SGP wants SKY to keep showing the meetings... I wished for it, and it came true: RUNE HOLTA No.1! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted August 17, 2010 Report Share Posted August 17, 2010 Having just watched my Skyplussed copy of the GP have to say that the racing was superb. For some time now I've felt that Gollob has been the best rider never to be World Champ (actually TBH he's miles clear by any indicator in holding that distinction..) but having watched him race this year to me he's actually one of the greatest riders ever...period! If he doesn't get the World title he so richly desrrves this year then there seriously ain't no justice... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenryW Posted August 17, 2010 Report Share Posted August 17, 2010 We can hope all we want,but i think he's far too arrogant to do that,especially to a "kid" like Emil How much more do you want? He apologised to Emil personally immediately after the incident as they left the track and then again apologised for the accident when speaking to the press. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveccm Posted August 17, 2010 Report Share Posted August 17, 2010 How much more do you want? He apologised to Emil personally immediately after the incident as they left the track and then again apologised for the accident when speaking to the press. Well that's ok then. This is professional sport not tiddly winks. Footballers help up players they've just flattened and bend their fingers and tweek their hair. It's an old adage - let him know you're there. And Emil found out the guy behind was a potential nutter. I wanted Gollub to win the WC but I don't want him to win it like that when openings suddenly happen because riders think the guy behind could wipe them out on a whim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveccm Posted August 17, 2010 Report Share Posted August 17, 2010 I was pretty peed off with the Virgin red button business as well. But at least SKY put it on while they followed the cricket. Speedway frequently overuns so the other lot complain then That's why I record at least one extra prog. Can't understand why there was an hour of Rugby before the repeat later on though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpeedieGonzalez Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 I would love to comment on the Sayfutdinov crash but I can't as my video ran out right at that point. It was bad enough that the whole meeting was scrubbed from the sky schedule, but they also put the repeat on 1 hour later than advertised. Thanks a bunch sky! I hope you got got good viewing figures for the www whatever interviews that were on ss2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midnight_Lady Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 (edited) Speedie you can watch the crash . I am a huge Tomasz Gollob fan but his move on Sayfutdinov was pure recklessness and it could have ended up so much worse. One thing that does annoy me is Sayfutdinov has been guilty on quite a few occassions of rear wheel chasing as the commentators put it and has himself caused some very nasty crashes yet he appeared to not accept Gollob's apology for what happened. Is that a case of he can dish it out but not take it? Who knows but it does surprise me that Emil is out for the rest of a season with a sprained wrist though! Edited August 18, 2010 by Midnight_Lady Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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