pugwash Posted August 1, 2010 Report Share Posted August 1, 2010 Hindsight is a wonderful thing, I actually think he chose the right moment to use it, but Chris, by his own words messed it up. Foresight is better. He missed the call and team GB suffered for it. What next for Lyon? He's tried the young guys, then the old guys. Seems like a ditherer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salty Posted August 1, 2010 Report Share Posted August 1, 2010 Well done Poleway ... great comeback Fact remains tho that Holta IS from Norway ... taxes, passports, and where you live will never change that ... he will ALWAYS be from Norway &if I was a Polish rider I would be unhappy at him getting my place ..... they have the riders .. thats whats so sad. Nicki Pedersen gets injured ... did the Danes go hunting for a loophole to recruit a better rider than Klindt to replace him ... no they stayed loyal to there country .... and they have my admiration for that ... big balls The rule should now be changed so that where you are born or parentage alone decides ... not just your passport Change the record mate, Holta's reasons for becoming a naturalised Pole are well documented. It's just a fact of life in international sport nowadays. Just look at the England cricket team. As for your comments about the Danes, what are you on about? Do you think they could just recruit a top class rider from another country? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midnight_Lady Posted August 1, 2010 Report Share Posted August 1, 2010 Well done Poland, looked the strongest team on paper and proved it after a pretty messy start. Haven't read through the thread as I expect its full of negativity but I thought the Brits did as well as anyone could have hoped really. With better use of the Joker I guess third could have been achieved but we always looked the fourth strongest on paper. The most important thing for me is that we weren't a distant fourth and went down fighting. Hopefully the performance can be built on in 2011. Though the referee got his calls right with the exception of Gollob in heat three, was an all four back all day long. Like you Baggy I have just gone straight in to post without looking at the probable negativity on here that surrounds these meetings (with the exception of your post ) In the end it turned out to be a very enjoyable final because of the closeness of the scores but there were some good races and passes. Congratulations to Poland who pulled themselves up after a bad start and well done to team GB. Only 11 points separating the top and bottom teams shows that GB were right in the thick of it and certainly did not disgrace themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladyluck Posted August 1, 2010 Report Share Posted August 1, 2010 Lyon didn't blow the "Joker"; Harris did. Why blame the manager? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dornier Posted August 1, 2010 Report Share Posted August 1, 2010 It was a good dispay by the brits . Nobody is to blame , it was a team performance and it just fell short but it was not for the want of trying , maybe Ben Barker could have done better than Stead , but overall no complaints at least they finished above the cocky ozzys . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salty Posted August 1, 2010 Report Share Posted August 1, 2010 Foresight is better. He missed the call and team GB suffered for it. What next for Lyon? He's tried the young guys, then the old guys. Seems like a ditherer. He tries the young guys (to more or less universal support). The young guys did Ok last year but have, by and large, not performed as expected this year, therefore, he has gone for the guys who have been performing better, which happen to be the old guys. Did you want him to stick with Kennett and Bridger the way they have ridden this year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladyluck Posted August 1, 2010 Report Share Posted August 1, 2010 Looking ahead, if the final is in Gorzow next season it will take a mammoth change in the speedway tide to have a halfway interesting SWC. Poland and Denmark first and second this season, but Poland destroyed Denmark in Gorzow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano Posted August 1, 2010 Report Share Posted August 1, 2010 Did you want him to stick with Kennett and Bridger the way they have ridden this year? I wouldn't waste your breath salty. I think just about everyone realises you can only get so much out of what you have. The Poles are where they are because they have a raft of riders coming through. The Aussie would have been there if they fielded the strongest team and look at the quality riders coming through. The Danes have them coming through the ranks. The authorities really need to get a grip because if Team GB are successful on the world stage, it might filter down to better attendances here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philfromcov Posted August 1, 2010 Report Share Posted August 1, 2010 yes a dam fine effort, much better than the pugwash manager, which will be where all the negative comments come from. you cant blame bomber it is a team of five! thought he was outstanding and at last shows how to mix it at gp level, pitty we donr see it at brandon! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pirateandi Posted August 1, 2010 Report Share Posted August 1, 2010 The final and race offs should never be allowed to be staged at vojeans again too much dodgy weather crap starting gates and lack of on the spot decisions poor effort for an international fixture total re think of venues from now on , too much influence from ole olsen and his ego !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted August 1, 2010 Report Share Posted August 1, 2010 The Poles are where they are because they have a raft of riders coming through. I thought they are where they are because they are useing a Gp rider who came from Norway .....Put Holta in one of the other sides then your likely to have a seen another result . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano Posted August 1, 2010 Report Share Posted August 1, 2010 I thought they are where they are because they are useing a Gp rider who came from Norway .....Put Holta in one of the other sides then your likely to have a seen another result . stirrer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mothorsen Posted August 1, 2010 Report Share Posted August 1, 2010 Fact remains tho that Holta IS from Norway ... taxes, passports, and where you live will never change that ... he will ALWAYS be from Norway &if I was a Polish rider I would be unhappy at him getting my place ..... they have the riders .. thats whats so sad. Nicki Pedersen gets injured ... did the Danes go hunting for a loophole to recruit a better rider than Klindt to replace him ... no they stayed loyal to there country .... and they have my admiration for that ... big balls The rule should now be changed so that where you are born or parentage alone decides ... not just your passport Stupid. If one emigrates to another country, one becomes a citizen of that country. He can't be called back to Norway on a few occasions just for being born here. Poland did not import Holta for the event, and when should it be decided? At 3? 16? 18th birthday? "Sorry, no turning back. Norwegian forever, moahahahahaha..." Take a look around and see if there are any other sports that use people born in other countries than they represent. However, thought the Swedes would have taken silver, but the Danes surprised. Wish I could have seen the race, but no such luck. Looking forward to Målilla, and I hope Holta will take the victory. I am Norwegian, but support Holta both on the track, and in his decicion to emigrate to a more speedway friendly nation. The Poles would have been stupid not to use a Polish citizen of his caliber. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted August 1, 2010 Report Share Posted August 1, 2010 Stupid. If one emigrates to another country, one becomes a citizen of that country. He can't be called back to Norway on a few occasions just for being born here. Poland did not import Holta for the event, and when should it be decided? At 3? 16? 18th birthday? "Sorry, no turning back. Norwegian forever, moahahahahaha..." Take a look around and see if there are any other sports that use people born in other countries than they represent. However, thought the Swedes would have taken silver, but the Danes surprised. Wish I could have seen the race, but no such luck. Looking forward to Målilla, and I hope Holta will take the victory. I am Norwegian, but support Holta both on the track, and in his decicion to emigrate to a more speedway friendly nation. The Poles would have been stupid not to use a Polish citizen of his caliber. It should decided the moment he rides for one nation ...i trust he rode for Norway before so that should have been it weather he is a Polish citizen or not . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salty Posted August 1, 2010 Report Share Posted August 1, 2010 It should decided the moment he rides for one nation ...i trust he rode for Norway before so that should have been it weather he is a Polish citizen or not . In your world, but not in the Speedway World. Whatever rules that were in place allowed Holta to ride for Poland about 5 years ago, even though he had previously appeared under the Norwegian flag. Not ideal I guess, but can't understand why people are still mithering about it, I think he was the Polish Champion as long ago as 2003. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted August 1, 2010 Report Share Posted August 1, 2010 It should decided the moment he rides for one nation ...i trust he rode for Norway before so that should have been it weather he is a Polish citizen or not . I think that is how it works in some sports that once you entered a (senior?) championship as a citizens of country X you are then not allowed to participate with another nationality. Regarding Holta, he used to ride on a Norwegian license in the GP but at the same time he rode for Poland i SWC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Blinkered Posted August 1, 2010 Report Share Posted August 1, 2010 Foresight is better. He missed the call and team GB suffered for it. What next for Lyon? He's tried the young guys, then the old guys. Seems like a ditherer. Hardly. The old guard was not performing last season at any level, so he tried the young guns. They are not performing too well this season so he reverted back to the old guard (which all of this forum asked for last season) who have all been having pretty good seasons. He does not have much to work with, so any manager would struggle. I would have liked to have seen a young gun in for Stead to give them the experience, but that said Stead did well on Monday, and started ok yesterday. This season the team more or less picked itself, so the role of the Team GB manager is mainly about motivation and the tacticles and I still think he got them right, so the main role for the manager with the limited talent available is to motivate what he has and I have no idea if he is good at that or not, only those inside the pits can tell us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Blinkered Posted August 1, 2010 Report Share Posted August 1, 2010 Take a look around and see if there are any other sports that use people born in other countries than they represent. Personally I think you should only represent the country of birth, until you have spent the majority of your life in another country. But in answer to above, not many sports but I think Greg Rusdeski represented Canada, France and then GB at tennis? At the moment the English cricket team has a player that has played for Ireland and now England. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colincooke Posted August 1, 2010 Report Share Posted August 1, 2010 Let's look at this in real terms. GB scored 33 real points. Sweden also scored 33 real points. There, does that sound better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beeone Posted August 1, 2010 Report Share Posted August 1, 2010 (edited) Personally I think you should only represent the country of birth, until you have spent the majority of your life in another country. But in answer to above, not many sports but I think Greg Rusdeski represented Canada, France and then GB at tennis? At the moment the English cricket team has a player that has played for Ireland and now England. There are certainly a bunch of south African born players in the England set up, Pietersen and Trott for a start, there have also been foriegn born players in our rugby Union and Rugby League teams Edited August 1, 2010 by Beeone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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