Goldmember06 Posted August 2, 2010 Report Share Posted August 2, 2010 In the end, Great Britain were only 6 points behind the silver medal place If Scott Nicholls had bothered to turn up, GB could well have made 2nd place Nicholls not at his best, Steady just never at the races, Richardson made some silly mistakes when in front, Bomber fluffing the Joker, Rob Lyon choosing the wrong race for the joker(given the amount of race winners from gate 2 previous to that). After Kings Lynn i had some hope for Vojens despite knowing it would be more of a gate and go kind of track after seeing the race-off. I think Rob Lyon is the right man for the job but on the day i think he made 2 errors, first of all the team selection, now Simon Stead done an excellent job at Kings Lynn but surely after seeing the track conditions at the Race-Off the alarm bells must've been going off, slick track gating vitally more important than ever, maybe Danny King would've been a better choice. Simon Stead is a racer, never has been a gater, nothing against him at all i just think King would've been a better choice. Secondly the Tac Joker ride, now surely as a manager you have to get the best out of your team as individuals and collectively, with that in mind to get the best out of the joker ride you have to try and give your best rider the best gate in order to maximize the chances of 6pts so to give Harris the impossible task of making a start of gate 2 just beggars belief. Finally does anybody else agree that on the World stage 'some' of Team GB need to make their presence felt in the first corners more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ndbendbeerhut Posted August 2, 2010 Report Share Posted August 2, 2010 For those that missed the world cup due to change of channels to avoid red button coverage the meeting is being shown again on Wednesday and Thursday evening again in HD I had the SWC on series link and it says its been recorded today at 5pm on ss4 but nothing in planner! now can't change channel without cancelling a recording! anyone know if it was on at 5pm? Karl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reviresco Posted August 2, 2010 Report Share Posted August 2, 2010 The problem for Gollob is he's not in Poland now. He should have been excluded in event one in Poland when he fell off unaided. Things have a habit of levelling themselves up. Absolute rubbish from you and your mate 'Sudden'. As it transpired the poor decision to exclude Gollob from his first heat made no difference as when the track became 'danish' TG showed his true class and, along with the rest of the Polish team, were too good and won. Well done Poland. As for the idiots who keep going on about Holta riding for Poland - get a life please and drop the subject. There are enough examples in other sports - athletics, Mo Farrah born in Somalia - all the South Africans in the England cricket team - Greg Rusedski - Zola Budd - Lennox Lewis - Owen Hargreaves - Briggs & Mauger riding for Great Britain (?!), etc. etc. There have been many examples of speedway riders riding under different licences. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted August 2, 2010 Report Share Posted August 2, 2010 As for the idiots who keep going on about Holta riding for Poland - get a life please and drop the subject. There are enough examples in other sports - athletics, Mo Farrah born in Somalia - all the South Africans in the England cricket team - Greg Rusedski - Zola Budd - Lennox Lewis - Owen Hargreaves - Briggs & Mauger riding for Great Britain (?!), etc. etc. There have been many examples of speedway riders riding under different licences. Don't forget that Mark Loram was born in Malta, so what was he doing riding for England??? Ronnie Moore was Australian, Dave Gifford was English... I think the problem with these situations in speedway is the way it is done, and I'm not talking about Commonwealth riders representing GB. In most sporting cases, the individuals have become naturalised, which of course, is perfectly acceptable. Personally, I think that switching countries by simply taking out a racing licence in another country is questionable to say the least. That leaves the system wide open to abuse, although in the case of Andreas Jonsson (assuming that what I have read about him is true) such a switch would be justified. Some of you on here know that I am involved in international sport, but having been born and raised in the UK, I now represent the United States. I have not taken out US citizenship - yet - but I've lived in the US for 18 years, am married to an American, own property here, pay taxes here, and am considered by the US government to be a legal PERMANENT resident. I compete almost exclusively on the US tournament circuit, and I do feel that I have every right to be considered an American for sporting purposes. Incidentally, when I am competing in the UK, I am taxed as an American, which means that I can pay taxes on a loss... Steve PS You forgot Martina Navratilova... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted August 2, 2010 Report Share Posted August 2, 2010 As for the idiots who keep going on about Holta riding for Poland - get a life please and drop the subject. There are enough examples in other sports - athletics, Mo Farrah born in Somalia - all the South Africans in the England cricket team - Greg Rusedski - Zola Budd - Lennox Lewis - Owen Hargreaves - Briggs & Mauger riding for Great Britain (?!), etc. etc. There have been many examples of speedway riders riding under different licences. Are there ? as has been pointed out The South Aficans cricketers never played for anyone else at test level ,Lennox Lewis was born in the uk, Rusedski mum was Britsh ,Owen Hargreaves dad was British ,Mo Farrah has only ran for Great Britain and Zola Budd read the Daily Mail . The problem with Holta is that not only has got nothing to do with Poland in terms of birth or relatives he has already rode for Norway at senior level and in my mind him now riding For Poland is wrong in a team event . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted August 2, 2010 Report Share Posted August 2, 2010 It is a list of riders spanning about 20 years or more if you take them at their best.This year we just can pick from the best at the moment.But if we produce a list from this year and going back 20 years,we can include some of the riders in your list as well.There were a few(and only a few if you look back at our history)when we produced a crop of good riders.To have a period like we are in now isn't a one off.We had to bolsted our squad with Antipodeans for quite a while because we couldn't produce enough quality of our own......... I guess the issue at the moment is that as soon as we have someone coming through and stepping up to the plate ... we have someone retire........ and sadly in recent years they have been slightly better.... it feels like one step forward ...one and a bit backwards also our 'top guys' have seemed to be touched by the crap gating stick for what seems like decades now...... for sure the likes of Scott and Bomber can overcome that and gain good averages in the EL..... but place them next to the world's best (& Rune ) and it is easy to work out what is odds on to happen and imho it is only going to get worse with the after effects of this tidal wave of antipodean whizz kids..... whatever the reasons are for the low amounts of Brits in the league system, it quite clearly isnt going to improve the quality of our riders at the top end all that said it cant be anything other than disappointing that the young guns who were given their chance last year have not kicked on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted August 2, 2010 Report Share Posted August 2, 2010 Are there ? as has been pointed out The South Aficans cricketers never played for anyone else at test level ,Lennox Lewis was born in the uk, Rusedski mum was Britsh ,Owen Hargreaves dad was British ,Mo Farrah has only ran for Great Britain and Zola Budd read the Daily Mail . The problem with Holta is that not only has got nothing to do with Poland in terms of birth or relatives he has already rode for Norway at senior level and in my mind him now riding For Poland is wrong in a team event . Your hero Rico gave me a good laugh tonight too.. Put 'em up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pawel115 Posted August 2, 2010 Report Share Posted August 2, 2010 Lennox Lewis won gold in 1988 Olympics representing Canada then he switched. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwi Posted August 2, 2010 Report Share Posted August 2, 2010 Are there ? as has been pointed out The South Aficans cricketers never played for anyone else at test level ,Lennox Lewis was born in the uk, Rusedski mum was Britsh ,Owen Hargreaves dad was British ,Mo Farrah has only ran for Great Britain and Zola Budd read the Daily Mail . The problem with Holta is that not only has got nothing to do with Poland in terms of birth or relatives he has already rode for Norway at senior level and in my mind him now riding For Poland is wrong in a team event . My father rode for England in the World Cup and in World Finals And won the Best pairs for NZ with Ivan Mauger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueBee Posted August 2, 2010 Report Share Posted August 2, 2010 Well done to Poland on their win (and on next years victory lol), the best team on the day! Very pleased with our display, particularly with Bombers performance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted August 2, 2010 Report Share Posted August 2, 2010 Well done to Poland on their win (and on next years victory lol), the best team on the day! Very pleased with our display, particularly with Bombers performance Despite what some have said about him, he was brilliant, he wanted it so much and you could tell. As for the comments about him being a sulk, I would never ever describe Bomber as a sulk . He was immensely disappointed and felt he'd let the team down by fluffing the Joker ride..He didn't let the team down, far from it. If some of the others had scored more points he wouldn't have had to have done it would he? We are open to criticism, quite rightly, but Bomber was a star !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted August 2, 2010 Report Share Posted August 2, 2010 Lennox Lewis won gold in 1988 Olympics representing Canada then he switched. First of all Lewis was born in the uk second it was not as a pro and third boxing is not a team sport . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted August 2, 2010 Report Share Posted August 2, 2010 First of all Lewis was born in the uk second it was not as a pro and third boxing is not a team sport . Jason Crump was Born in Bristol, why did he not ride for Team GB!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladyluck Posted August 2, 2010 Report Share Posted August 2, 2010 Its always so easy after the event to say it was a mistake, My view on it is that there are no easy races to play the Joker. How many times have they not worked for any country ? Taking the four SWC meetings as a whole, I can only recall the "Joker" gaining the full six points once and that was Fredrik Lindgren for Sweden at King's Lynn. The Danes gained four points at Gorzow, while neither the Russians or Czechs gained anything. The Finns got four points at King's Lynn. At the race-off both the Australians and Russians emerged pointless from the "Joker", while in the final Sweden got four points and Great Britain nothing. Picking the right moment and the right rider is difficult. Maybe that's why Marek Cieslak decided not to take those three golden opportunities to deploy the "Joker"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFatDave Posted August 2, 2010 Report Share Posted August 2, 2010 Lest we forget - Jim Airey was a member of Team GB when they won the WTC in 1971. Why are people whingeing about SKY's coverage on here - why not complain directly where it will do more good. I saw on the EL broadcast last night they were having a replay of SWC on Wednesday Pomgolian time - can't you lot wait that long? It's only been on live again this year Down Under, before that we had to wait three weeks for a highlights show - can't you mob be grateful for what you've got instead of whingeing all the time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted August 3, 2010 Report Share Posted August 3, 2010 SWC week never disappoints. Cracking racing as usual. Lyon cocked up putting the joker on Harris off of two. Stead out of his depth as expected, but what a let down Nicholls was. Five thirds from him was pathetic and his trapping a joke. Looking at the other teams and ours we should have been battling up the top, not trying to scrape a medal. If that Danish team was able to push the Poles all the way, then we have underachieved again I'm afraid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted August 3, 2010 Report Share Posted August 3, 2010 Lyon cocked up putting the joker on Harris off of two Have u watched the coverage on the tv yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topaz325 Posted August 3, 2010 Report Share Posted August 3, 2010 How did team GB do, just sat down to watch it, then found out that sky changed the channel after an hour.............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuddenSam15 Posted August 3, 2010 Report Share Posted August 3, 2010 (edited) Dont give a monkeys about other sports ... this is speedway, If one of Holta's parents was Polish I would not have a problem at all. The bottom line and undeniable FACT is that he was born in Norway ... end of ... no argument of any kind can change that. The Poles do not need him any longer and could win it without him ... giving a fellow "Pole" a gold medal instead of a guest rider. There world cup wins will forever be tarnished by the fact he was part of the team ... and they can try to justify it for as long as they want ... they can't. So again well done Poleway ... you fully deserved your win. Edited August 3, 2010 by SuddenSam15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted August 3, 2010 Report Share Posted August 3, 2010 Tainted in your world,but in this one and particularly in Poland no-one gives a monkeys what you think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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