Olympic Stadium Gp 2013?

[fullbore]

AND

 

CARDIFF has a roof

 

Imagine all those people and the event having to be postponed

 

The year Harris won it was persisiting down and would have been cancelled if not for the roof

 

Though a roof didn't prevent Gelsenkircken being cancelled.

 

Niamh

[iris123]

Though a roof didn't prevent Gelsenkircken being cancelled.

 

Niamh

That was nothing to do with the stadium though

[fullbore]

But it does show that a roof won't guarantee an event.

 

My memory says that the shale was delivered very wet and that the weather was to cold for it to dry sufficiently.

 

Niamh

[hemphizzx]

But it does show that a roof won't guarantee an event.

 

My memory says that the shale was delivered very wet and that the weather was to cold for it to dry sufficiently.

 

Niamh

 

 

The chances of that happening again are substantially higher than it being raining on a day in june or july in the uk

[T.N.T.]

Olympic Stadium or Cardiff ?

 

 

WHY NOT BOTH ?

 

 

 

Cardiff should always be the home of the BRITISH GP ..... but why not if a stadium like the Olympic Stadium bevcame available cant it hold the ENGLISH GP ?

 

 

 

Poland have the POLISH GP ... the EUROPEAN GP .... and the ... the .... they havent NO NAME GP !

[Undercover Elephant]

Olympic Stadium or Cardiff ?

 

 

WHY NOT BOTH ?

 

 

 

Cardiff should always be the home of the BRITISH GP ..... but why not if a stadium like the Olympic Stadium bevcame available cant it hold the ENGLISH GP ?

 

 

 

 

 

Poland have the POLISH GP ... the EUROPEAN GP .... and the ... the .... they havent NO NAME GP !

 

Pipe dreams on the Olympic Stadium front.

 

Besides if it was to be given a GP round, wouldn't it kind of overshadow the Millenium Stadium over the course of time?

Edited July 31, 2010 by Undercover Elephant

[rocketrod]

you people need a reality check.i live in east london and the developement of the area is on track to welcome the world in two years,judge for yourself then and not what you hear or judge by football matches.london needs a speedway venue and if the powers that be introduce wembley or the olympic stadium then it can only be a good thing.

[psymon]

Firstly, the area.... another name for that part of the world is Hackney. I seem to remember speedway can be successfully run there! Secondly, a lack of a proper speedway event in London is a big problem for the sport, we need London to boost credibility. I agree it should not be the British GP, but perhaps the Western European GP? I've been to Cardiff twice and the day is fantastic, but tbh I think 40000 is frankly a pathetic crowd. Can I remind people that back in the 80's speedway World Finals used to fill Wembley (84000). I know that was for a one off final, but even so, one Wembley= two Cardiffs!!! Back in the day, the reason speedway was kicked out of Wembley was effect the straights had on the wings of the football pitch. It was a very sad day for the sport when that happened. There is no logistical reason why speedway can't return to Wembley or go to the new Olympic Stadium. Whoever owns the stadium in the future, I am sure they will be adaptable to anybody who is willing to pay for it (especially as I suspect this will be one of the legacy requirements).

[Beeone]

Firstly, the area.... another name for that part of the world is Hackney. I seem to remember speedway can be successfully run there! Secondly, a lack of a proper speedway event in London is a big problem for the sport, we need London to boost credibility. I agree it should not be the British GP, but perhaps the Western European GP? I've been to Cardiff twice and the day is fantastic, but tbh I think 40000 is frankly a pathetic crowd. Can I remind people that back in the 80's speedway World Finals used to fill Wembley (84000). I know that was for a one off final, but even so, one Wembley= two Cardiffs!!! Back in the day, the reason speedway was kicked out of Wembley was effect the straights had on the wings of the football pitch. It was a very sad day for the sport when that happened. There is no logistical reason why speedway can't return to Wembley or go to the new Olympic Stadium. Whoever owns the stadium in the future, I am sure they will be adaptable to anybody who is willing to pay for it (especially as I suspect this will be one of the legacy requirements).

 

The problem with refering back to past times is that speedway crowds were much bigger all around in the 1970s/early 80s, when Wembley was attracting 84,000, Brandon was getting 7,000 for a league meeting and the British Final used to fill the place. There is no real evidence to support the theory that Wembley or the Olympic Stadium would attract a bigger crowd than Cardiff in modern times.

 

Also the lack of a roof on either of these venues is a massive downer, as anyone watching the World Cup on Saturday night will know, imagine going to the expense of installing a temporary track and then getting a wet weekend, the financial losses would be massive !

 

Regards Martin

[T.N.T.]

I agree it should not be the British GP, but perhaps the Western European GP?

 

 

Western European !! ...... Have people forgot this is England !

 

 

The English GP ..... Cardiff would still be massive ..... Hold one as Event 3 ... the other Event 9

[mickthemuppet]

So what's to stop there being two Grand Prix's in Britain. One in London and one in Cardiff. Although Cardiff only get half as many spectators than Wembley used to get in the seventies,the bottom line is Cardiff is far more profitable today, which is what counts.

Edited August 8, 2010 by mickthemuppet

[Humphrey Appleby]

Although Cardiff only get half as many spectators than Wembley used to get in the seventies,the bottom line is Cardiff is far more profitable today, which is what counts.

 

Does anyone actually know how much money Cardiff makes (or doesn't) and how this compares to former Wembley Finals...?

[MattK]

Western European !! ...... Have people forgot this is England !

 

 

The English GP ..... Cardiff would still be massive ..... Hold one as Event 3 ... the other Event 9

If they can't sell out one GP, why would they host a second?

[emerald tyke]

Yep Cardiffs not a sell out so why host a second Gp In UK/GB?

 

Pleased when attending Cardiff every year since started there and I do appreciate the roof.....at least when i pay for the ferry from Ireland + hotel for the event I know the meeting WILL TAKE PLACE (or at least it should, unless repeat of Gelshenkirchen fiasco!!)...that was a one off hopefully.

 

Why should anyone want BSI/IMG to leave The Millennium Stadium Cardiff and head back to a London Stadium?? When in a few years time when it suits they will be told to leave when the pitch is invaded by tyre marks, shale or other event which doesn't suit. Same as the " Bradford Bulls" wanting Odsal all to themselves!! argh!!!

 

If its not broken don't fix it!!

 

Loved the Fanzone area..hope its there again in 2011 really built the day up before we went into the stadium.

[Mr Snackette]

...............Whilst Cardiff is a decent enough venue, I can't see why people get religious about the place.

 

Compared to previous GP venues in the UK, Cardiff is decent……. nothing more. Whilst the stadium facilities are fine, Cardiff is a rather depressing provincial city with little to commend it.

 

Rugby League after two dreary events in Cardiff, had the good sense to move their Magic Weekend to Edinburgh. The move to Edinburgh has meant “that supporters can look forward to a bigger and better all round experience throughout their stay with the city offering a huge choice of accommodation, an incredibly wide selection of restaurants as well as a hugely expanded game-day entertainment programme in and around the stadium.”*

 

Still with the meeting now starting at 5pm, at least those that want to, can be on the 8:25 pm to Paddington, and be “up West” in time for a chilled glass of Sancerre!!!

 

Mind you the chances of a GP in London……………… virtually zero, which is a shame.

 

In the words of Samuel Johnson:

 

“…………when a man is tired of London, he is tired of life; for there is in London all that life can afford.”

 

 

 

 

 

*taken from the Super League website

[longlivefrankie]

Compared to previous GP venues in the UK, Cardiff is decent……. nothing more. Whilst the stadium facilities are fine, Cardiff is a rather depressing provincial city with little to commend it.

 

Rugby League after two dreary events in Cardiff, had the good sense to move their Magic Weekend to Edinburgh. The move to Edinburgh has meant “that supporters can look forward to a bigger and better all round experience throughout their stay with the city offering a huge choice of accommodation, an incredibly wide selection of restaurants as well as a hugely expanded game-day entertainment programme in and around the stadium.”*

 

Still with the meeting now starting at 5pm, at least those that want to, can be on the 8:25 pm to Paddington, and be “up West” in time for a chilled glass of Sancerre!!!

 

Mind you the chances of a GP in London……………… virtually zero, which is a shame.

 

In the words of Samuel Johnson:

 

“…………when a man is tired of London, he is tired of life; for there is in London all that life can afford.”

 

 

 

 

 

*taken from the Super League website

 

i think you'll find super league is going back to cardiff in feb for another magic weekend!

[Parsloes 1928 nearly]

you people need a reality check.i live in east london and the developement of the area is on track to welcome the world in two years,judge for yourself then and not what you hear or judge by football matches.london needs a speedway venue and if the powers that be introduce wembley or the olympic stadium then it can only be a good thing.

 

Firstly, the area.... another name for that part of the world is Hackney. I seem to remember speedway can be successfully run there! Secondly, a lack of a proper speedway event in London is a big problem for the sport, we need London to boost credibility. I agree it should not be the British GP, but perhaps the Western European GP? I've been to Cardiff twice and the day is fantastic, but tbh I think 40000 is frankly a pathetic crowd. Can I remind people that back in the 80's speedway World Finals used to fill Wembley (84000). I know that was for a one off final, but even so, one Wembley= two Cardiffs!!! Back in the day, the reason speedway was kicked out of Wembley was effect the straights had on the wings of the football pitch. It was a very sad day for the sport when that happened. There is no logistical reason why speedway can't return to Wembley or go to the new Olympic Stadium. Whoever owns the stadium in the future, I am sure they will be adaptable to anybody who is willing to pay for it (especially as I suspect this will be one of the legacy requirements).

 

Thank goodness for rocketrod and psymon – people talking sense amongst so many either missing the point or merely showing their total lack of knowledge about the area or the potential for this!

 

We’ve had this ‘debate’ so many times on here…: let’s get this straight, no-one supporting the use of Wembley and/or the Olympic Stadium for major Speedway is saying that Cardiff can’t carry on too… Why do people never seem to get this simple point…?! As Cardiff is the capital city of one country and London the capital city of another, it’s hardly rocket science to call one the Welsh GP and the other the English GP. As someone said Poland (just a single country..!) has THREE in the current calendar anyhow!!

 

The area is an absolute dive and there is no way that I would consider taking any of my children there for a Speedway meeting of any level, especially if it was going to finish after dark.

 

These sort of comments made about the area (the East End) beggar belief. I’ve worked in East London for nearly all of my working life: my office now is half a mile from the Olympic Stadium and my job involves the regeneration of the area in general. Do people REALLY believe that the area surrounding the Olympic Stadium will be slums out of Arthur Morrison’s ‘Child of the Jago’, crossed with alleyways like those Jack the Ripper plied his trade in, in nearby Whitechapel of the 1880s…??!! Hundreds of thousands will visit the site watching all the Olympic events – they’ll be a huge amount of facilities there to cope with that: not good enuff for Speedway folk though..? Get real!! It’s also a very short tube journey to central London. The last time I looked London had rather more to recommend it as a place to visit than Cardiff…: but maybe Speedway folk know better, eh..?!

 

As for this general negativity that the scheme could never work..: I disagree fundamentally. As psymon says, a fundamental part of the ‘legacy’ is that the main stadium gets used. It HAS to remain with an Athletics track (I believe this rules out the West Ham United idea…) and converting to use for Speedway would be a relatively simple (simpler than Cardiff…) operation.

 

I’d go as far to say that IF a big enough company came forward prepared to stage Speedway there it’s a nigh on 100% certainty that the authorities would approve it. I also believe that a very big Speedway event in the Olympic Stadium would almost certainly attract a capacity crowd.

 

Think about it, 40k go to Cardiff – despite the whingers on here, virtually all of these would come to the Olympic Stadium. Then there are the many Speedway fans who don’t go to Cardiff each year – the lure of a new venue and it being in what will for a while be the most famous stadium in the world will attract them. Then there’s the huge currently untapped market for Speedway in London. This is probably at its biggest in East London – former West Ham and Hackney people, their kids (and grand-kids!), the large Polish contingent (many of whom are helping to build the place!). Then there’s all those who’ll want to see the Stadium and especially motor sports folk – many of whom wouldn’t consider going to the likes of (nearby) Arena Essex but for which this would be a different ball-game. Plus all those from abroad for whom a trip to such an event would be a massive draw.

I’ll admit it might not necessarily be possible to sustain a capacity crowd year in year out for Speedway at the Olympic Stadium but for the first event…?: I’d be very confident of a full house…

 

There are other stadium/facilities on site which would be more suited to Speedway.

 

I agree salty that for ongoing Speedway (i.e. a London league team) there are far more suitable venues than the main Stadium within the overall Olympic Park. I firmly believe a reasoned argument to have a small Speedway facility on site would win the day with the powers that be. We have so many arguments on our side.

 

Many better sites around for an English GP but Mr BSI clearly isn't interested

Hmm, like where..?? No existing Speedway venue could fit the bill…

 

I have only one concern. A single GP is a fairly pointless meeting: there’s no proper outcome, unlike a World Final. I’d be concerned that a mere ‘qualifying round’ type event which is basically all a GP is, wouldn’t be big enough for such a venue. But that’s for a different ‘debate’ perhaps..

[Dornier]

Dont think cardiff will always be the first choice for the gps . I think it will come down to money , It will be upto the powers that be to get the best deal

 

playing one against the other , it is possible a London venue will tender a better package and personally I would prefer London the only down side is the weather , the sliding roof at cardiff is a big bonus