WIE-JA Posted July 30, 2010 Report Share Posted July 30, 2010 Holder was just having a fun ride, and couldnt care less. The battle that mattered was swe vs den which never eventuated. Gate and go, the swede was history,,,That was a two man race and was boring as hell....Holder was just there for fun. Neither the swe or dane gave a crap about Holder he was irrelevant. Meeting was already over. I think its actually the shape of the track aswell as surface. Track is shocking. Disaster of a shape and slick surface makes it worse. It was still an exciting race to watch which is the most important thing.Are you just a wind-up merchant, or just a very difficult person? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladyluck Posted July 30, 2010 Report Share Posted July 30, 2010 Holder was just having a fun ride, and couldnt care less I assume from the above that you have now watched it. I must confess, it didn't look like he was having too much fun, just desperately trying to finish a dismal evening on a high note. Holder knew that ultimately his awful third and fourth rides had sealed Australia's fate. However, you really have to look at the position of Boyce, who hasn't really been any better than the much-criticised Neil Street. In fact, he's done worse by consistently failing to get the best out of his riders, or the best out of the tactical options available. Boyce has had the available tools. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirt Posted July 30, 2010 Report Share Posted July 30, 2010 Which would be Darcy after all "not the sharpesr tool in the box" put it on facebook. Nothing wrong with that, thats what it is for and where it should have stayed. It does not warrent a newspaper story that is for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted July 30, 2010 Report Share Posted July 30, 2010 Nothing wrong with that, thats what it is for and where it should have stayed. It does not warrent a newspaper story that is for sure. If it's not an issue it won't matter that it's in the paper will it? For what it worth, it wasn't a good idea to post it in his position, but he has, he (and the Aussies) will get some stick for it. It's all part of the game, we Brits would expect the same back if roles were reversed. Every Brit and Aussie knows we just love to beat each other and see each other fail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirt Posted July 30, 2010 Report Share Posted July 30, 2010 It was still an exciting race to watch which is the most important thing.Are you just a wind-up merchant, or just a very difficult person? Is your name Ole Olsson? The reason that ride was possible is the little dirt and dust from the whole track had finally settled right round the outside of the track and finally there was enough of it in one spot to actually get some traction which is what Chris managed to do. The rest of the track was like polished glass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WIE-JA Posted July 30, 2010 Report Share Posted July 30, 2010 Is your name Ole Olsson? The reason that ride was possible is the little dirt and dust from the whole track had finally settled right round the outside of the track and finally there was enough of it in one spot to actually get some traction which is what Chris managed to do. The rest of the track was like polished glass. No and it's not Ole Olsen either.Is your name Stevie Wonder?Just can't understand why you're bleating about it being a dull meeting when it wasn't, or is just because Australia didn't qualify? As a neutral fan it was entertaining. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladyluck Posted July 30, 2010 Report Share Posted July 30, 2010 Generally speaking, people see what they want to see. I thought the King's Lynn meeting was dreadfully dull for the first fifteen or so heats (the last ten heats were excellent), whereas others are going crazy about it. I thought the Gorzow meeting contained some fine action, although the result was a stroll in the shale for the Poles and it wasn't really much of a contest. Last night was much the same. It started off mildly interesting, but once Australia imploded, as they seem prone to do under Boyce (they had the SWC final at their mercy last season, but "lost it" during the rain delay, when they wanted a halt called), it was rather flat. Yes, it was close between the Danes and Swedes, but they were both going through anyway. However, there was some decent enough action throughout the whole meeting. Blaming the track conditions and so on may soothe the battered egos of the Australians, but a little bit of introspection might be more in order. The Australians blew it; end of story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted July 30, 2010 Report Share Posted July 30, 2010 Generally speaking, people see what they want to see. I thought the King's Lynn meeting was dreadfully dull for the first fifteen or so heats (the last ten heats were excellent), whereas others are going crazy about it. I thought the Gorzow meeting contained some fine action, although the result was a stroll in the shale for the Poles and it wasn't really much of a contest. Last night was much the same. It started off mildly interesting, but once Australia imploded, as they seem prone to do under Boyce (they had the SWC final at their mercy last season, but "lost it" during the rain delay, when they wanted a halt called), it was rather flat. Yes, it was close between the Danes and Swedes, but they were both going through anyway. However, there was some decent enough action throughout the whole meeting. Blaming the track conditions and so on may soothe the battered egos of the Australians, but a little bit of introspection might be more in order. The Australians blew it; end of story. It is always the same with speedway and anything really.We all have different taste and points of view.If you are at the meeting and your favourites are winning and you are with your mates downing a few pints the you have had a great time.If you are at home and your team is getting beaten and your favourite rider is having a bit of a stinker then the meeting looks entirely different.I have been at broing meetings,but the announcer has stated what an exciting meeting it is just because(as far as i can see) the score is close.Pointless arguing about it as everyone is entitled to their opinion of what makes a good meeting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dornier Posted July 30, 2010 Report Share Posted July 30, 2010 The ozzys werent grinning into the camera last night , Didnt see Holder posing with his hair either , their not as good as they think they are Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirt Posted July 30, 2010 Report Share Posted July 30, 2010 (edited) No and it's not Ole Olsen either.Is your name Stevie Wonder?Just can't understand why you're bleating about it being a dull meeting when it wasn't, or is just because Australia didn't qualify? As a neutral fan it was entertaining. Im not fussed if it was dull or not, its the track that Im bagging. England will come last I guarantee it because like the Aussies they're not used to that crap and dont like it. edit: I may just watch the final so as to have a laugh. There wont be one drop of water added and only rain can help things, but most likely it will be laughable how slick that track is and how hard riders try and end up going backwards. If Holder cant evan catch the 3rd placed rider when on the 'Joker' hahaha What chance do you think anyone else has. you have to laugh. Edited July 30, 2010 by dirt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted July 30, 2010 Report Share Posted July 30, 2010 Pretty clear he means TeamGB have no chance in the final. Can't read it any other way. So he is correct as it will take a miracle not to finish last tomorrow night. Hope I am wrong but if the track is like yesterday we could struggle badly. So that means if we finish fourth it will be the track's fault and not Rob Lyon's? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manchesterpaul Posted July 31, 2010 Report Share Posted July 31, 2010 Generally speaking, people see what they want to see. Very true it would seem judging from recent letters in the Star and polar opposite accounts of meetings given on here. It is always the same with speedway and anything really.We all have different taste and points of view.If you are at the meeting and your favourites are winning and you are with your mates downing a few pints the you have had a great time.If you are at home and your team is getting beaten and your favourite rider is having a bit of a stinker then the meeting looks entirely different.I have been at broing meetings,but the announcer has stated what an exciting meeting it is just because(as far as i can see) the score is close.Pointless arguing about it as everyone is entitled to their opinion of what makes a good meeting Excellently summed up Iris. I would agree with it all but at the same time, whilst not diagreeing with the fact that everyone is entitled to their opinion, it is annoying when factual events are not credited. By that i mean there WAS lots of overtaking, that is not my 'opinion' it is fact. So when someone says as Dirt did (apologies not picking on you Dirt, just using you as a recent example lol) that.... Dont remember 1 overtake except Batchelors collapse when he surrended 3rd on the line to the russian in his 2nd last programmed ride......... Absolute crap...when gating basically decides races why bother with 4 laps just make it 1 lap. Booorrrring CRAP. Then people are going to 'correct' such a post instead of merely giving an opinion as WIE-JA does.... I am just watching the replay and there is definatly plenty of overtaking. So you don't remember AJ going from 4th to 1st in the first round of heats? Bjerre passing Ward & Gizatulin in heat 17? AJ battling with Rory Schlein for first whilst the Russian and Dane battled for third in heat 18. Etc etc.... and as i do by adding there were plenty more etc. etc. that could be added Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenryW Posted July 31, 2010 Report Share Posted July 31, 2010 However, you really have to look at the position of Boyce, who hasn't really been any better than the much-criticised Neil Street. In fact, he's done worse by consistently failing to get the best out of his riders, or the best out of the tactical options available. Boyce has had the available tools. Agreed that Boyce hasn't shown any tactical intelligence during the SWC this year or last year but, frankly, that is the least of his crimes. Last year was there to be won by Australia, but he went into the Final without one of his best riders. The title could have been easily sewn up if Boyce had picked his best 5. This year, without Crump and Adams, he still ignored the best Australian rider available to him.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFatDave Posted July 31, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 31, 2010 Agreed that Boyce hasn't shown any tactical intelligence during the SWC this year or last year but, frankly, that is the least of his crimes. Last year was there to be won by Australia, but he went into the Final without one of his best riders. The title could have been easily sewn up if Boyce had picked his best 5. This year, without Crump and Adams, he still ignored the best Australian rider available to him.... So who did we miss at Leszno, Henry? Who was the best available but not picked at Vojens? Please enlighten us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted July 31, 2010 Report Share Posted July 31, 2010 Sullivan at a guess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hagonshocker Posted July 31, 2010 Report Share Posted July 31, 2010 Sullivan?! lmaooooooooooooo whats he done for Australia in recent times?! May have considered Shieldsy but somehow his heart never really seems in it on the bigger stage..Aussie went with the best side possible without the two main men..btw Iris i know your only prompting Henry so im not responding to your post so much Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenryW Posted July 31, 2010 Report Share Posted July 31, 2010 Sullivan?! lmaooooooooooooo whats he done for Australia in recent times?! May have considered Shieldsy but somehow his heart never really seems in it on the bigger stage..Aussie went with the best side possible without the two main men..btw Iris i know your only prompting Henry so im not responding to your post so much You may not think that Ryan has done much for Australia in recent times but if you want to check their scoring over recent years, he has done more than several riders that were included in the squad. It's clear that you don't rate him, but he is still a quality rider. Whilst it's admirable giving the kid a chance, Darcy is currently averaging 3.68 in the Polish Extraliga despite getting the easier reserve races, whilst Ryan (in the same team) is averaging 7.63. Does that really sound like the best rider was selected? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFatDave Posted July 31, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 31, 2010 You may not think that Ryan has done much for Australia in recent times but if you want to check their scoring over recent years, he has done more than several riders that were included in the squad. It's clear that you don't rate him, but he is still a quality rider. Whilst it's admirable giving the kid a chance, Darcy is currently averaging 3.68 in the Polish Extraliga despite getting the easier reserve races, whilst Ryan (in the same team) is averaging 7.63. Does that really sound like the best rider was selected? If you were at Leszno last year you'd know why Ryan wasn't considered. Commitment was required and Darcy's got that in spades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenryW Posted July 31, 2010 Report Share Posted July 31, 2010 If you were at Leszno last year you'd know why Ryan wasn't considered. Commitment was required and Darcy's got that in spades. Maybe I don't know the whole story, but the side that I did get certainly didn't suggest that Ryan lacked commitment towards the Australian cause...then again that could definitely have been a biased opinion I should clarify that I didn't mean my previous post as a slur towards Darcy in any way. The kid has bags of talent and great future in the sport. It's just a very big ask chucking him into the SWC so young. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pollyanna Posted July 31, 2010 Report Share Posted July 31, 2010 (edited) Sullivan at a guess Probably, but Sullivan pulled out of the Race-off last year (not Boyce's decision) and Adam Shields replaced him - only to break his collar bone. Shields was then replaced by Batchelor in the Final. Edited July 31, 2010 by Pollyanna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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