Premier League Fours 15/8/10

[Kevan]

I understand that Peterborough only had a podium and trophy for the winners too,so didn't recognize the efforts of the second and third place teams, if that was the case it was a bit of a poor show when put together with all the extra charges imposed on the meeting.

[hans fan]

The highlighted line was the be all and end all of the meeting.

The only real race of the night was Rene's now infamous EF ride.

was the only rider on show who showed some trackcraft

 

edit and sam masters who looks like he has the balls to go far in the sport

Edited August 16, 2010 by hans fan

[Trees]

The prog was a joke

What company produced the programme?

[womble53]

I felt ripped off too.

Im a panther supporter and its usually £1 to park so why £2 for this meeting? The prog was a joke, and to charge to sit in the grandstand was a complete p*** take!!

The PA was next to useless so I complaind twice once to a member of staff and once to MR Frost. Didnt anyone think to check it before the meeting NO!!!

Be a long time before Im back for this meeting.

 

And to top it all off Peterborough Speedway/BSPA were too penny pinching to have a full podium presentation.

 

This is the first 'Fours' meeting I have been to, where only the winners were presented to the crowd, and given trophies and medals, so Edinburgh and Somerset supporters in attendance were denied the chance to congratulate their teams for making the rostrum. All the rider momento's were handed to the team managers at the managers meeting prior to racing, to give to their riders, and not formally presented.

 

It's not as though there isn't an allowance for expenses like this for the staging club, because there is..................pretty poor show for a major event if you ask me

 

Edit: you beat me to it Kevan

Edited August 16, 2010 by womble53

[Barney Rabbit]

I understand that Peterborough only had a podium and trophy for the winners too,so didn't recognize the efforts of the second and third place teams, if that was the case it was a bit of a poor show when put together with all the extra charges imposed on the meeting.

 

Does the 'home club' actually run the show or do they have to do what they are told by the event/super7 (or whatever the series goes under the name of) afficionados? Certainly, Peterborough have a podium that'll take the top three so if the one used was different it might not have been their's. And I'm sure Peterborough didn't supply the trophies so you can't pin that on 'Peterborough'.

[gary moore]

 

And to top it all off Peterborough Speedway/BSPA were too penny pinching to have a full podium presentation.

 

This is the first 'Fours' meeting I have been to, where only the winners were presented to the crowd, and given trophies and medals, so Edinburgh and Somerset supporters in attendance were denied the chance to congratulate their teams for making the rostrum. All the rider momento's were handed to the team managers at the managers meeting prior to racing, to give to their riders, and not formally presented.

 

It's not as though there isn't an allowance for expenses like this for the staging club, because there is..................pretty poor show for a major event if you ask me

 

Edit: you beat me to it Kevan

 

 

Yeh I forgot about that!! They used to present all the riders with medals prior to the start of racing??

 

Its a shame `cos I and three others wont go again!!

[June]

I was really looking forward to my visit to Peterborough. Not been there for years and yes it still is a lovely setting, but what a rip off- prog not worth £4 to sit in the stand £2. we paid it but after entrance fee this was over the top. Newcastle must have been disappointed in not getting through to the final. Rene Bachs E/F put them out of the final. My families disappointment was to to see Scunny not have a race off with Edinburgh to go through to the final....Quote from the prog.PAGE 18. "race-offs in the event of a tie in the semi finals" why advertise it like that to then do a count back? Same number of wins, more 2s for Edinburgh, but 2 x 0s for Edinburgh none for Scunny......A race off would have taken all of a minute and been much fairer. So Newcastle fans your not the only ones to be disappointed us Scunny fans suffer with you. Congrats to the winners!

[Lucky Star]

I enjoyed the Fours yesterday and congratulate Birmingham on a well deserved victory. However, I also felt ripped off by all the extra charges at this event.

 

The biggest rip off though was the price of the beer in the Showground bar. They had the cheek to charge £3.20 for a pint of Carlsberg and then serve it in a cheap flimsy plastic glass. No doubt the Health and Safety brigade had something to do with this or was it just penny pinching by the Showground owners. The irony is that the Harvester pub at the entrance to the Showground charge just £2.25 for the same beer and they serve it in a proper glass!

 

I won't be returning to the Showground in a hurry .

[hans fan]

I enjoyed the Fours yesterday and congratulate Birmingham on a well deserved victory. However, I also felt ripped off by all the extra charges at this event.

 

The biggest rip off though was the price of the beer in the Showground bar. They had the cheek to charge £3.20 for a pint of Carlsberg and then serve it in a cheap flimsy plastic glass. No doubt the Health and Safety brigade had something to do with this or was it just penny pinching by the Showground owners. The irony is that the Harvester pub at the entrance to the Showground charge just £2.25 for the same beer and they serve it in a proper glass!

 

I won't be returning to the Showground in a hurry .

doubt theres a outdoor event where proper glasses are used now if you think £3.20 is expensive i've paid alot more than that at events,if you go to the showground again take your cool bag packed full of beer ...at last years s.w.c the poles had sheds full of beer and loads of those chuck away b.b.q and had a hell of a party and that was before the 1st heat

[Barney Rabbit]

Not sure I understand that ??

 

We read constant criticism of the EL, specially around WTC time, that not enough Brits are given the chance at EL level so the GB team suffers internationally as a result. Here we have a team from lower down the Team GB preparation ladder tracking 5 non-Brits in a team competition (and winning the event to maybe prove the point) and, on checking their web-site, I find they actually only have one Brit in a PL septet. How are British riders meant to progress to EL and International standard if some PL promoters prefer to use so many non-Brit riders. The 'Aussies' part was just for convenience - I could, and probably should, have used 'non-Brits'.

 

Edit : Is it a problem?

 

Not to me, but I'm nothing to do with Team GB and don't have to look to see where the next generation of top-level International British riders is coming from.

 

And here it is, the expected 'how many has your team got' post.

 

I dont either Jacques, Its a bit rich coming from a Panthers fan, how many British riders do they have in their 1-7. :rolleyes:

 

 

 

Let's have a look at yesterday's riders.

Jason King started with Peterborough Pumas. Carl Wilkinson started with Peterborough Thundercats and given a chance at EL as #8. Paul Clews started as a Thundercat, also rode PL with Panthers. David Howe started as a Thundercat, had a season at PL then onto EL with Panthers. Ricky Ashworth given his EL bow doubling-up with Panthers, rode over 20 matches that year but declined a second year. Simon Lambert, Lee Complin, Andrew Tully, and Ritchie Hawkins all given their chance at EL as doubling-up riders. Richard Hall given his EL bow as a Panther.

For PL teams not in yesterday's event, Oliver Allen started as a Thundercat, was given his PL bow in Panthers' 1998 PL title-winning team, then his EL debut as a double-upper again as a Panther. Chris Schramm started as a Puma. Gary Havelock had a couple of seasons at the EoES and Andre Compton was given a chance at EL level. Craig Cook is Panthers' current #8.

Now onto the riders who did make the Team GB side last month. Scott Nicholls, an Ipswich asset at the time, was given his League speedway debut in the 2nd tier with Panthers. Simon Stead started as a Thundercat, progressed into the PL with a team spot as a Panther then rode as a double-upper for the club in the EL. Chris Harris was given his EL debut as a Panther doubling-up for a couple of seasons and Lee Richardson had an EL year at EoES.

Danny King started as a Puma then came back for a couple of years in the EL with Panthers and Paul Hurry rode at EoES for a couple of years back in the 90's.

So, I don't think Peterborough's contribution to the development of current British riders can really be criticised.

But to answer your point, it's not really surprising that Peterborough - or other EL teams for that matter - don't have many Brits in their squads, given that some promoters lower down the progression ladder prefer filling their teams almost entirely with non-Brits. After all, if a rider lacks PL experience, he's hardly likely to get a call to ride EL, is he?

Edited August 16, 2010 by Barney Rabbit

[lucifer sam]

Re the Fisher-Howe incident.My view from in line with the start,the referee was right behind me,was that Fisher was out of control with the lift he got.I dont believe that it was intentional at all.I think Fisher should have been exc/disq.As has been said,Howe was the innocent victim of the incident.

 

However,my mate sat next to me thought the referee got it right!

 

So it all comes down to our own interpretation.At the end of the day,its the referees opinon that really matters.

 

BobC, I'm confused... surely you also agreed with the ref?

 

All the best

Rob

Edited August 16, 2010 by lucifer sam

[lucifer sam]

Ha ha, so you did then...??? It was warm today mate, bet you were sweating like a glassblower

 

Acutally it wasn't quite as bad as Somerset - I reckon I lost half a stone in sweat that day (insert smelly smiley)

 

All the best

Rob

[lucifer sam]

It's never warm at the showground....... Could have done with being in that "fleece" myself......

 

Zonkers, are you volunteering for a future Super7 event?

 

All the best

Rob

[mrmiddlesbrough]

This wasnt the fours I know and loved from the 70s 80s and that I facebook campaigned to get back to Peterborough the last 2 seasons, I've done nothing but sing this tracks praises to anyone who would listen and boy did it turn out a big let down.

I suggest any Peterborough promotion need to read this thread very carefully and listen to what the punters are telling you and get it sorted for next year IF you get another chance that is ?

Edited August 16, 2010 by mrmiddlesbrough

[The~SAINT]

don't understand the fuss about the 'rip-off'..... parking=ADVERTISED at £2 (a pound more that owlerton.. big deal)// programme= ADVERTISED at £4 (bit more than normal but OPTIONAL)// main stand seating £2 (OPTIONAL,too expensive then don't pay it!) // beer a rip off (as at all major events but it is OPTIONAL)// food too expensive (as at all major events but it is OPTIONAL - take a picnic,sit in the sun and anjoy a cheapish day out).

i'm a miserable old bugger who loves a moan but only when it's justified

 

ps/ yes, the programme misprints were awful and unforgiveable really at that price

Edited August 16, 2010 by The~SAINT

[lucifer sam]

How awful that you suggest that a rider would deliberately fence another one. Ahhh but wait it's Ryan Fisher.

 

ML, a few posters have tried to blow up a storm in a tea cup. Yes Fisher should have been excluded, but he just lost control - I certainly don't think there was any intent. There were another couple of riders who got into trouble after lifting on the second bend, Fisher just managed to do it whilst David Howe was outside him.

 

If anything I'd be more concerned with what happened after the final race of the afternoon. Fisher beat Masters in the race for the chequered flag, but then pulled across the track on the first bend as he slowed. If left no room for Masters, who took quite a pearler into the air fence. Fortunatley I think Masters was largely OK. Again no malice, but a moment of lack of concentration from Fisher - a very nast accident could happen that way.

 

All the best

Rob

[Nutz]

Many thanks to all the kind comments on our team winning the 4s.Sounded like a fantastic day for all loyal supporters who made the journey to Alwalton (fed up as I couldn't go due to work commitments).Terrific,terrific performance from our fellas!!

 

On the whole,the best team won.

 

Congratulations to a pumped up Birmingham. They were the best team on the day in the final, after Johnston and Sweetman got themselves sorted for the final. To be led by someone like Jason Lyons is comforting, knowing that he can still pull rides out the bag like he did. Together with Fish, they were by far the two best riders on display.

 

Linus Sundstrom No.1 in the averages???

 

congratulations to birmingham on your victory and massive praise to a battered,bruised and depleted tigers quartet for giving their all and making it to the final.also,great touch by them walking round from the pits to thank the sheffield fans....proud of my club today

 

Even I was proud that the Sheffield boys as a team came round to applaud the fans for the support they were given today. That's what sport is all about.

 

Sundstrom looked pretty ordinary, despite winning a heat which was gifted by dirty Fishers exclusion and Gathercole's tapes offence.

 

Are you winding me up!! It was no more than ten yards from us and Fisher took him out big style!! Not only did we all see it on the second bend, we heard it aswell. Never heard so much utter rubbish in my life.

 

It has no defence though?? If he wasn't to blame and didn't fence Howe then I would say so......but he did. He looked across and saw Howe had the drive round outside and fenced him. The video will prove it..

 

Now you see, this is why I don't really post on here anymore. The absolute b*ll@x that's written, beggers belief at times!!! How some of you sleep at night, is beyond me! You must all have nightmares the week before Edinburgh visit your track!!!

 

Ok, the facts about Fish... Yes he lifted after a cutback on turn 1&2 after missing the gate... He was mid track exiting turn 2 - putting his wheels in line... He stayed on the inside of the track down the back straight...

So from this, how can he have fenced Howe? He'd have needed to go to the outside of the track to do it.

 

Next, i've got a photograph from the middle of the back straight (so probably about 20metres from the crash) showing Howe going down before Fish even gets to him. It also shows Fish locking up coming out of turn 2 avoiding Howe...

 

Why let facts get in the way of things though? I can understand why he was excluded, as it would have looked like he'd taken Howe out from where the ref was sitting... But the fact is, he never touched him. Howe was already going down... But of course, you lot won't agree with any of that because you hate him for the points he can score against you. Total rubbish.

 

Come on SCB. Fisher picked up coming out the second bend and shot across. No malice in it but it was definitely Fish's fault the incident.

 

Normally agree Rico, but on this occasion I don't... Will show you the pic if you're at Somerset next Wednesday.

[colincooke]

Shhhh, it's supposed to be a secret.

 

And the racing was a lot better than one or two on here have indicated. It was fine, and actually got better as the meeting progressed.

 

There was enough dirt on the track to allow racing right up until the re-run of the 28th race, when Lyons changed lines to pass Fisher on the third bend.

 

All the best

Rob

 

 

Rob mate i had no idea you we're such a groovy dude. Shake yer ass.

[NeilWatson]

Good meeting today - with Birmingham worthy winners, they had the best balanced team.

 

Reckon it was a good collection for the Ben Fund as well, so thanks to everyone who gave today.

 

All the best

Rob

 

It would have been better still Rob, but no-one came to our part of the Grandstand.

[NeilWatson]

ML, a few posters have tried to blow up a storm in a tea cup. Yes Fisher should have been excluded, but he just lost control - I certainly don't think there was any intent. There were another couple of riders who got into trouble after lifting on the second bend, Fisher just managed to do it whilst David Howe was outside him.

 

If anything I'd be more concerned with what happened after the final race of the afternoon. Fisher beat Masters in the race for the chequered flag, but then pulled across the track on the first bend as he slowed. If left no room for Masters, who took quite a pearler into the air fence. Fortunatley I think Masters was largely OK. Again no malice, but a moment of lack of concentration from Fisher - a very nast accident could happen that way.

 

All the best

Rob

 

I thought Fisher shut-off on the line (frustration?) as Masters was still racing to the finish.