Shoddy Posted November 24, 2003 Report Share Posted November 24, 2003 A couple of my mates came down for a KOC meeting last year and trying to explain the Joker rules to them was embarassing. Good to see the fans being listened to after, as far as I'm aware, about 90% thought it was a terrible idea and I would have thought from what I read that over half the promoters thought the same thing??? Even Leeds United supporters must be laughing about the shambles the top men in speedway are creating. What a ridiculous bunch or idiots, this has to go down as the most outrageous level of ignorance seen in sport since...no can't think of anything else up there??? Self moderated outburst to finish - "What a load of ******* **** **** ******* ******* dogs ***** ****". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemini Posted November 24, 2003 Report Share Posted November 24, 2003 Self moderated outburst to finish - "What a load of ******* **** **** ******* ******* dogs ***** ****". Oy Shoddy! Leave Dogs out of it. They are much too intelligent and lovely animals to be mentioned in that sentence. I agree with the rest of it though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted November 24, 2003 Report Share Posted November 24, 2003 Exactly Shoddy. People can talk as much as they like about it being fair/keeping the scores close etc. It's the sheer embarassment and credibility of the sport that is the real issue here as far as I am concerned. You can hide team building, guests etc. from first time spectators to a certain extent, but there's no hiding from this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shoddy Posted November 24, 2003 Report Share Posted November 24, 2003 Self moderated outburst to finish - "What a load of ******* **** **** ******* ******* dogs ***** ****". Oy Shoddy! Leave Dogs out of it. They are much too intelligent and lovely animals to be mentioned in that sentence. I agree with the rest of it though. I think you'll find that the part of the dogs anatomy that I was referring to is most adequate in this context! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayEmm Posted November 24, 2003 Report Share Posted November 24, 2003 (edited) speedwayplus.co.uk Some of the rules aren't a bad idea,I quite like the 'Here Come the Belgians' one This one made me laugh out loud (my Dad was Belgian and we always had a good laugh at it's a knockout!)....Thank you for the link Edited November 24, 2003 by JayEmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin palmer Posted November 27, 2003 Report Share Posted November 27, 2003 To Non Speedway people, potential new Fans, and casual Fans, the "JOKER" means something to them, were the " Tactical Substitute" does not. The TS rule is very much an Internal Speedway term, and is not recognisable to folk on the fringes of the Sport. Thats my opinion anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21st century heathen Posted November 27, 2003 Report Share Posted November 27, 2003 To Non Speedway people, potential new Fans, and casual Fans, the "JOKER" means something to them, were the " Tactical Substitute" does not. The TS rule is very much an Internal Speedway term, and is not recognisable to folk on the fringes of the Sport. Thats my opinion anyway. So if I ask a non-speedway fan what a 'joker' is in speedway terms they will know what that means, but wouldn't know what a 'tac sub' is? Sorry, can't agree on that one. Neither term will mean 'jacksh1t' outside of speedway circles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shoddy Posted November 27, 2003 Report Share Posted November 27, 2003 As I said I actually had the experience of watching a KOC match last year with friends who were not into speedway and the Crazy Joker rule was pretty hard to explain. Not only is it a joke but the real outrage is that nearly all fans didn't like it but they have brought it in to everything anyway. When are the people at the top going to get their heads out of their backsides and listen to the paying public? Unless it improves the sport then just leave well alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted November 27, 2003 Author Report Share Posted November 27, 2003 Any news in the speedway star regarding what the promoters think? They must have realised by now that some people are not happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Stranger Posted November 28, 2003 Report Share Posted November 28, 2003 At the very least 'joker' suggests some kind of comedy element. something not to be taken seriously. Spot on Speedy-Star Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclone Posted November 28, 2003 Report Share Posted November 28, 2003 Any news in the speedway star regarding what the promoters think? They must have realised by now that some people are not happy. According to SS, Uncle Len & El Tel were the main instigators of this change, which they are convinced will make meetings more close, as well as ensuring that all seven riders get a fairer share of available rides. Mention was also made that newcomers to the Sport would be more amenable to this change, since they did not have the fixed mindset of existing supporters who know nothing better than tac subs. Looks like there will be no reverse in their decision before the 2004 starts, I suspect, unless most Promoters experience a severe downturn in advance sales of season tickets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheffman Posted November 29, 2003 Report Share Posted November 29, 2003 If opposition to this ruling is so vehement and people think strongly enough against it, the only way to force a change is to vote with your feet and hit the promoters where it hurts most...in their pocketss. Don't go to the matches....demonstrate outside making the promoters VERY aware of the reasons why no-one is going through the turnstiles..bet your money after 3 or 4 weeks of that, the rule would be swiftly dropped. Whilst everyone is happy to moan but still keep going through the turnstiles, the promoters will each offer soothing platitudes but nothing will be done, precdent will be set, and the GD will be the accepted part of speedway for the future. Discuss...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevor Posted November 30, 2003 Report Share Posted November 30, 2003 (edited) I thought the comments made by CVS were most insulting. He basically said that those who disagreed with him were like stuffy old die hard Cricket fans, not accepting things, like new fangled one day Cricket. Well fans do accept changes, we have to accept them every season as something new is tried! It is just when the changes end up making the sport look down right silly, such as the 'Knockout Joker' ruling, it is hard to accept. Giving points to team just because they are behind, without having to earn them, is not sport. Allowing a substitue to take the place of another team member is an accepted part of sport. I know sport is entertainment, but if it is not true sport then it ceases to become entertainment to me. Edited November 30, 2003 by Trevor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted November 30, 2003 Report Share Posted November 30, 2003 (edited) I thought the comments made by CVS were most insulting. He basically said that those who disagreed with him were like stuffy old die hard Cricket fans, not accepting things, like new fangled one day Cricket. Well fans do accept changes, we have to accept them every season as something new is tried! It is just when the changes end up making the sport look down right silly, such as the 'Knockout Joker' ruling, it is hard to accept. Giving points to team just because they are behind, without having to earn them, is not sport. Allowing a substitue to take the place of another team member is an accepted part of sport. I know sport is entertainment, but if it is not true sport then it ceases to become entertainment to me. I read the comments today and thought exactly the same thing, both in terms of his remarks being offensive and the point that changes are made every year. Giving points to a team just because they are behind sums it up perfectly. Edited November 30, 2003 by Grachan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21st century heathen Posted November 30, 2003 Report Share Posted November 30, 2003 If they're so desperate to keep the score close, and cut costs, why don't they call it even over 14 heats and just ride heat 15 as a decider...oh no that's right...can't...haven't got enough heat leaders left to ride in heat 15 any more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevor Posted December 2, 2003 Report Share Posted December 2, 2003 John Perrin said last night that Belle Vue did not vote for the Joker, do you think we will now have a host of clubs saying "Not me gov" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shaggy Posted December 2, 2003 Report Share Posted December 2, 2003 It wasn't me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclone Posted December 2, 2003 Report Share Posted December 2, 2003 John Perrin said last night that Belle Vue did not vote for the Joker, do you think we will now have a host of clubs saying "Not me gov" Well he is being more forthcoming than the Edinburgh Promoter who is hiding behind the "such things are confidential" excuse when asked about how he voted on this issue The way he goes on, you think we were dealing with a Freemasons meeting, but then again the silly handshakes would complement the silly rule changes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgl07 Posted December 2, 2003 Report Share Posted December 2, 2003 John Perrin said last night that Belle Vue did not vote for the Joker, do you think we will now have a host of clubs saying "Not me gov" Well he is being more forthcoming than the Edinburgh Promoter who is hiding behind the "such things are confidential" excuse when asked about how he voted on this issue Well Edinburgh's own Monty Burns defended the stupid rules so vehamently I would be very surprised if he didn't vote for for them. The same promoter has been quick enough in the past to blame the Southern promotors for unpopular rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Meynell Posted December 2, 2003 Report Share Posted December 2, 2003 I thought the comments made by CVS were most insulting. He basically said that those who disagreed with him were like stuffy old die hard Cricket fans, not accepting things, like new fangled one day Cricket. Quite frankly, I think CVS is a weak chairman who simply goes with the prevailing opinion, but then recants whenever the daft idea that he supported goes wrong. He's done it on so many occasions now, what with the half-baked restrictions on GP riders, doubling-up/down riders, and now the jokers. No doubt he'll be telling us next year what a bad idea they were. Moving onto comparisons with cricket, at least the game itself has been played according to the same rules for more than 100 years. I think the last significant change in the laws was a modification of the LBW rule in the early-1970s, and it's only the duration of the games (i.e. number of overs) that tends to vary. You certain don't have joker batsman coming out and scoring double runs when their team is behind! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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