Whose Idea Was It To Use Kings Lynn ?!?

[foreverblue]

To be fair to Kings Lynn,when the track is prepared like it was on monday,it is as good as any elite league track with facilities to match.

[colincooke]

No humble pie eating here. I stick to what I say. PL tracks should be nowhere near a major event.

 

Why ?

[Bagpuss]

Just be grateful you aren't married to him.

 

It would have to be a Civil Partnership

[Steve Shovlar]

Why ?

 

If people don't realise the damage giving such an event to a PL club there really is no hope for British Speedway. It has nothing to do with the track, or whether the stadium is capable of hosting such an event.

 

Just read back to the posts of Orion and myself. Then perhaps you will understand where we are coming from.

[Steve Shovlar]

Have the nerve to say that to Buster and John Chapman right in front of them and justify your claims.

 

 

Absolutely. I would have no problem at all. They will obviously disagree with my thoughts but I would certainly explain to them why I have this view. It's not Kings Lynn but any club in the PL I would have a problem with. These clubs wnt EL or world class stars at their track? Join the EL. Without the EL there would be no speedway in this country of any merit. We would be a speedway backwater more so than we are already.

 

PL pairs, 4TT and PLRC is as big as it should get for PL teams. Unless of course a deal has been done that the BSPA agreed for Kings Lynn to hoist this meeting as reward for them coming into the EL in 2011.

[hyderd]

Absolutely. I would have no problem at all. They will obviously disagree with my thoughts but I would certainly explain to them why I have this view. It's not Kings Lynn but any club in the PL I would have a problem with. These clubs wnt EL or world class stars at their track? Join the EL. Without the EL there would be no speedway in this country of any merit. We would be a speedway backwater more so than we are already.

 

PL pairs, 4TT and PLRC is as big as it should get for PL teams. Unless of course a deal has been done that the BSPA agreed for Kings Lynn to hoist this meeting as reward for them coming into the EL in 2011.

 

You have an oppinion Steve, and you are entitled to it. However I think you will find you are in a very small minority as most people (including the riders) think KL is an ideal place to hold such an event.

[WIE-JA]

Absolutely. I would have no problem at all. They will obviously disagree with my thoughts but I would certainly explain to them why I have this view. It's not Kings Lynn but any club in the PL I would have a problem with. These clubs wnt EL or world class stars at their track? Join the EL. Without the EL there would be no speedway in this country of any merit. We would be a speedway backwater more so than we are already.

 

PL pairs, 4TT and PLRC is as big as it should get for PL teams. Unless of course a deal has been done that the BSPA agreed for Kings Lynn to hoist this meeting as reward for them coming into the EL in 2011.

Did any other tracks apply to host the event?

[orion]

Absolute garbage once again. A PL track shouldn't be considered? Have the nerve to say that to Buster and John Chapman right in front of them and justify your claims.

 

Can I just say that the track prep for the GB leg, and every stock car meeting featuring the F1 Stock Cars and National Saloons has always been first class. Last years Saloon World was one of the best track preps for the sport I've ever seen. Top that with the 07 and 09 Brisca F1 World Final, the Chapmans do an excellent job with the track and fully deserve hosting such events at the Norfolk Arena.

 

 

It's been explained about 500 times that it's nothing about what the track is like or weather Buster Chapman and co can stage a meeting like this .

 

It's about rewarding ambition in league terms quite simple .

[Steve Shovlar]

You have an oppinion Steve, and you are entitled to it. However I think you will find you are in a very small minority as most people (including the riders) think KL is an ideal place to hold such an event.

 

Absolutely I am in a tiny minority that has this view. My opinion is as valid as anyone elses and I didn't expect many others to think along the same lines as myself. I just believe that by giving events like this to PL clubs, what incentive does it give them to consider moving up to bigger things?

 

Sure the stadium and track is upto the job, and so is Sheffield. But while EL clubs keep top flight speedway alive in the UK, they should benefit from top flight meetings. After all the EL teams are putting their money on the line much more than any PL club.

[WIE-JA]

It's been explained about 500 times that it's nothing about what the track is like or weather Buster Chapman and co can stage a meeting like this .

 

It's about rewarding ambition in league terms quite simple .

Why should it have anything to do with rewarding league ambitions? Surely the reward was for turning a failing, run down stadium into a reasonable place to visit, being given a prestige event. The meeting Monday was the Speedway World Cup, nothing to do with leagues.

[zipplexft]

Absolutely I am in a tiny minority that has this view. My opinion is as valid as anyone elses and I didn't expect many others to think along the same lines as myself. I just believe that by giving events like this to PL clubs, what incentive does it give them to consider moving up to bigger things?

 

Sure the stadium and track is upto the job, and so is Sheffield. But while EL clubs keep top flight speedway alive in the UK, they should benefit from top flight meetings. After all the EL teams are putting their money on the line much more than any PL club.

is there money from sky not enough then,i see a patten forming,speedway football, why would these pl clubs want to piss money up the wall by goin elite,how many more people would they get through the gate if they did,and how much more money would they have to pay riders,elite wages,there are elite clubs now running on a shoestring,not enough people through the gate ,and big wage bills to pay,as far as these pl clubs are concerned its finacle suicide.i dont blame them ,why put your club at risk,when you are makin a nice little proffit.and your fans dont want to see the same teams every other week.

[orion]

Why should it have anything to do with rewarding league ambitions? Surely the reward was for turning a failing, run down stadium into a reasonable place to visit, being given a prestige event. The meeting Monday was the Speedway World Cup, nothing to do with leagues.

 

 

Of course it had plenty to do with leagues ..it was saying you stay in the Pl and will still give you big meetings ....There is little reason and not many carrots to try to make teams better themselfs and move up .

 

Speedway will always be look at as a joke while big Teams like Kings lynn are happy to race at a lower standard (not that i blame them ) giving the big meetings to El clubs is one way of trying to buck that trend .

[WIE-JA]

Of course it had plenty to do with leagues ..it was saying you stay in the Pl and will still give you big meetings ....There is little reason and not many carrots to try to make teams better themselfs and move up .

 

Speedway will always be look at as a joke while big Teams like Kings lynn are happy to race at a lower standard (not that i blame them ) giving the big meetings to El clubs is one way of trying to buck that trend .

I thought it was a case of if your infrastructure and organisation is good enough then you can have big meetings. SWC organisers either hired the stadium or the KL promotion payed for the rights to host the event. Again, nothing to do with leagues. And again, did any other stadium apply to host the event?

[Dave C]

It is completely irrelevant what domestic league the hosting track participates in as ultimately it is BSI who decide on the venue and presumably agree terms with the stadium, independent of the BSPA.

 

A far bigger issue that seems to have been overlooked, is the fact that on Monday an airfence magically appeared but at the next meeting two days later it had disappeared again. This is nothing short of a disgrace and shows the complete lack of regard for the safety of riders in the lower leagues.

 

There is no getting away from the fact that the Kings Lynn fence is pretty brutal and unforgiving, but the promotion appear to have no interest in improving rider safety. The biggest irony is that they supposedly have an airfence in storage, but are unwilling to use it for some unfathomable reason. I don't know if this was used on Monday, or whether they borrowed Peterborough's.

 

Although Tai Woffindens fall was relatively innocuous, would he have got up like he did if he had clattered back first into the bare boards? And would we have witnessed the spectacle of heat 22 if the riders didn't have the extra confidence of having the airfence?

 

Whenever this topic comes up on the forum, there are people who blindly defend the promoters, basically pleading poverty and stating that if they are made compulsory, tracks will be forced to close. In my opinion, if a track is not able to provide adequate rider safety in this day and age, then you have to question whether they should be operating at all. It should also be taken in to account how safe each individual fence (and surrounding area) is, as the tracks vary considerably.

 

The simple fact is that the same promoters will still be pleading poverty in ten years time and will only act when they are forced to. It is estimated that the average track would have to spend around £30-35,000 on an airfence, which is undoubtedly a substantial amount of money, but it is an investment that will hopefully protect a clubs main "assets" and when you spread that cost over five seasons, there really is no excuse. It is not just short sighted promoters who are to blame, as the riders could force this issue if they really wanted to, but in truth the SRA is a very weak organisation, despite Shane Parkers best efforts in recent years. Promoters, riders and ultimately the humble (and not so humble - no names S.S....)supporters will all have to give a bit to make it happen.

 

I have no doubt that Kings Lynn will in the not too distant future have an airfence at every race meeting they stage and people will shake their heads in disbelief that they used to race without one. I just fear it will be because a young rider is needlessly confined to a wheelchair and they were forced to act.

[BigFatDave]

It is completely irrelevant what domestic league the hosting track participates in as ultimately it is BSI who decide on the venue and presumably agree terms with the stadium, independent of the BSPA.

 

A far bigger issue that seems to have been overlooked, is the fact that on Monday an airfence magically appeared but at the next meeting two days later it had disappeared again. This is nothing short of a disgrace and shows the complete lack of regard for the safety of riders in the lower leagues.

 

 

 

I have no doubt that Kings Lynn will in the not too distant future have an airfence at every race meeting they stage and people will shake their heads in disbelief that they used to race without one. I just fear it will be because a young rider is needlessly confined to a wheelchair and they were forced to act.

Apologies for editing your excellent posting, Dave. It beggars belief that clubs such as Newport, operating on a shoestring, can afford an airfence but clubs like KL can't. IMO a club can't afford NOT to.

[Steve Shovlar]

Kings Lynn borrowed Peterboroughs.

 

Outrageous that they haven't got one of their own to be honest. Perhaps the profit the club made will be invested in buying one.

Edited July 30, 2010 by Steve Shovlar

[Trees]

A far bigger issue that seems to have been overlooked, is the fact that on Monday an airfence magically appeared but at the next meeting two days later it had disappeared again. This is nothing short of a disgrace and shows the complete lack of regard for the safety of riders in the lower leagues

Agreed, just think how the riders racing on Wednesday must have felt, they HAVE to put it at the back of their minds, but it must rankle with them surely? Pees me off but as fans we are powerless, well unless we are rich and would like to buy one and give it to Buster and offer to put it up and take it down etc etc

Edited July 30, 2010 by Trees

[orion]

is there money from sky not enough then,i see a patten forming,speedway football, why would these pl clubs want to piss money up the wall by goin elite,how many more people would they get through the gate if they did,and how much more money would they have to pay riders,elite wages,there are elite clubs now running on a shoestring,not enough people through the gate ,and big wage bills to pay,as far as these pl clubs are concerned its finacle suicide.i dont blame them ,why put your club at risk,when you are makin a nice little proffit.and your fans dont want to see the same teams every other week.

 

 

Only in the last couple of weeks two teams have made nosies about closeing due to losing money ....Both of those have been Pl clubs in fact one of those clubs had a Crowd of 266 ! ....The El is far from perfect but it's speedway in general that is in trouble not just the El .

[Sprog1]

Kings Lynn borrowed Peterboroughs.

 

Outrageous that they haven't got one of their own to be honest. Perhaps the profit the club made will be invested in buying one.

 

That is something people should take note of when they keep on about Lynn's facilities.

 

If the Chapmans had invested in an airfence they would not have had the money to invest in other facilities. Staying in the PL enables the Chapmans to have their priorities back to front- facilities that improve their profit comes first, rider safety (i.e.airfence) second. If all the EL promoters were to play that game there would be no EL just a secondary league with no international riders which in turn would result in no SWC at all in this country, reduced attendances at Cardiff, no Sky and ultimately the decimatiion of the sport in this country.

 

There are three leagues but they are all one sport and unless they work together, then in the lomg run all will suffer.

[BritPete]

I seem to recall that the BEL had some early season meetings to raise some money for airfences. Why don't the PL the do same?

Edited July 31, 2010 by BritPete