Whose Idea Was It To Use Kings Lynn ?!?

[Paulco]

Well as it turned out , it was a great idea to use Kings Lynn . Perfect race track , packed stadium and a British victory . Doesn't get much better than that . Well done Rob Lyons and the boys . Funny how a team manager , written off by many because he was from the PL , can gel the British side much better than some of his more illustrious predecessors .

[dode1]

Never expcted many to agree with the first post on this thread. They are my thoughts and I knew when writing them that the vast majority would whole heartedly disagree. I expected the abuse and got it, though its water off a ducks back to me.

 

End of the day I don't think PL tracks should be allowed to host major events, regardless of what facilities are like. They should earn the right, and the right is won by their club racing in the top flight.

 

Don't agree? Fair enough. As I said I didn't expect many to agree and certainly not KL or PL fans.

 

The reason this sport is in the state it is is simply because clubs would rather sit in the PL than come up to the big boys. Riders stagnate in the PL, never fulfill their ambitions. The PL is now full of has beens and won't ever be's. A tiny percentage come through to EL from the PL in this country, and they are Jonny Foriegner. Sundstrom next year, Ward last, Holder the year before. A couple of others but the PL is clogged up with riders on their swansong or simply not good enough to progress any further. When was the last Brit to come through the PL ranks to really make a mark? Woffinden? He learnt his skills in the much more competitive Aussie system. After him?

 

PL fans say they wouldn't want their club tomove up to the EL because there's not enough clubs and therefore meetings. Well what if three/four clubs made the effort and mved up? There woould certainly be enough clubs then, wouldn't there?

 

Clubs like Kings Lynn, Sheffield and Birmingham should be EL clubs. And then IMO they could hosts meetings like last night. But giving a PL club a top meeting just because they wanted to host it gives no incentive to them to consider riding at a higher level and have riders like last night gracing their track every week.

 

 

 

 

we always hear woofi woofi woofi from sky when he`s on so lets say shovi shovi shovi your a bampot lol

 

power to your elbow mate this site would not be the same without you, we are always sure of a laugh when you come on

 

cheers

Edited July 27, 2010 by dode1

[squall]

Clubs like Kings Lynn, Sheffield and Birmingham should be EL clubs.

 

And if they go EL and can't make the money, would you dip your hand in your pocket and save them or leave them to go bust and fold?

[nob nob]

I think what Mr Shovelarse was trying to say is that this meeting should have taken place at Rye House

[RichardJTyrrell]

Never expcted many to agree with the first post on this thread. They are my thoughts and I knew when writing them that the vast majority would whole heartedly disagree. I expected the abuse and got it, though its water off a ducks back to me.

 

End of the day I don't think PL tracks should be allowed to host major events, regardless of what facilities are like. They should earn the right, and the right is won by their club racing in the top flight.

 

Don't agree? Fair enough. As I said I didn't expect many to agree and certainly not KL or PL fans.

 

The reason this sport is in the state it is is simply because clubs would rather sit in the PL than come up to the big boys. Riders stagnate in the PL, never fulfill their ambitions. The PL is now full of has beens and won't ever be's. A tiny percentage come through to EL from the PL in this country, and they are Jonny Foriegner. Sundstrom next year, Ward last, Holder the year before. A couple of others but the PL is clogged up with riders on their swansong or simply not good enough to progress any further. When was the last Brit to come through the PL ranks to really make a mark? Woffinden? He learnt his skills in the much more competitive Aussie system. After him?

 

PL fans say they wouldn't want their club tomove up to the EL because there's not enough clubs and therefore meetings. Well what if three/four clubs made the effort and mved up? There woould certainly be enough clubs then, wouldn't there?

 

Clubs like Kings Lynn, Sheffield and Birmingham should be EL clubs. And then IMO they could hosts meetings like last night. But giving a PL club a top meeting just because they wanted to host it gives no incentive to them to consider riding at a higher level and have riders like last night gracing their track every week.

 

Mr Shovlar, I'm afraid I continue to disagree.

 

Being so close, as you were, to Aaron Lanney, you would probably know from his first hand experience what the problems were when he took over at Oxford for that fateful season. The following season Jesper Jensen was announced as Oxford's number 1 rider! With all due respect to him you would have to look pretty deep to find him racing nowadays. Can you imagine your three/four teams all experiencing the same problems? Have a quick chat to Mr Lanney before you reply!

 

Mr Chapman rose to the incentive of preparing a great race track. As we found out in the Conference, racing is comparative when all riders are at the same level. You should try it sometime?

[Starman2006]

Well as it turned out , it was a great idea to use Kings Lynn . Perfect race track , packed stadium and a British victory . Doesn't get much better than that . Well done Rob Lyons and the boys . Funny how a team manager , written off by many because he was from the PL , can gel the British side much better than some of his more illustrious predecessors .

 

Paulco. Theres a lot of things that i do agree with you, especially some of your Racing points. But i don't wholeheartedly agree with you here.

Neill went through long periods where are boys were bang off the pace, and obviously not riding as one,and i don't think that was down to Neil. Many people were calling then for the younger brigade to take over,even when Rob took over many many on here said Rob who, i hope he gives the kids a chance! well the older brigade did well last night, lets see if they can back it up in Voyans!!

I'll review this post if and when they reach the final, and either win it or get beat by a point.

IMO and just my opinion, Rory Schlein lost it for the Aussies!

[Paulco]

Paulco. Theres a lot of things that i do agree with you, especially some of your Racing points. But i don't wholeheartedly agree with you here.

Neill went through long periods where are boys were bang off the pace, and obviously not riding as one,and i don't think that was down to Neil. Many people were calling then for the younger brigade to take over,even when Rob took over many many on here said Rob who, i hope he gives the kids a chance! well the older brigade did well last night, lets see if they can back it up in Voyans!!

I'll review this post if and when they reach the final, and either win it or get beat by a point.

IMO and just my opinion, Rory Schlein lost it for the Aussies!

My point was aimed more at the totally inept Jim Lynch . You are correct , under Middleditch (if not for a bit of Scandanavian jiggery pokery ) we might have won the thing in 2004 . But Lyon's appointment was pilloried by the EL brigade on here , i think he's doing a decent job .

[Gemini]

Only downside for me was the damn greenfly swarm that hit the stadium, they were driving a lot of people mad and i am still picking them out of my cleavage this morning!!!!

 

Is that what they were? Looked more like a plague of locusts on the T.V. Amazing and I've never seen anything like that before. Remind me never to go to Norfolk for my holidays.

[Phlipphlopp]

Never expcted many to agree with the first post on this thread. They are my thoughts and I knew when writing them that the vast majority would whole heartedly disagree. I expected the abuse and got it, though its water off a ducks back to me.

 

End of the day I don't think PL tracks should be allowed to host major events, regardless of what facilities are like. They should earn the right, and the right is won by their club racing in the top flight.

 

Don't agree? Fair enough. As I said I didn't expect many to agree and certainly not KL or PL fans.

 

The reason this sport is in the state it is is simply because clubs would rather sit in the PL than come up to the big boys. Riders stagnate in the PL, never fulfill their ambitions. The PL is now full of has beens and won't ever be's. A tiny percentage come through to EL from the PL in this country, and they are Jonny Foriegner. Sundstrom next year, Ward last, Holder the year before. A couple of others but the PL is clogged up with riders on their swansong or simply not good enough to progress any further. When was the last Brit to come through the PL ranks to really make a mark? Woffinden? He learnt his skills in the much more competitive Aussie system. After him?

 

PL fans say they wouldn't want their club tomove up to the EL because there's not enough clubs and therefore meetings. Well what if three/four clubs made the effort and mved up? There woould certainly be enough clubs then, wouldn't there?

 

Clubs like Kings Lynn, Sheffield and Birmingham should be EL clubs. And then IMO they could hosts meetings like last night. But giving a PL club a top meeting just because they wanted to host it gives no incentive to them to consider riding at a higher level and have riders like last night gracing their track every week.

So , by your reckoning , the Millenium Stadium should not host a GP , they dont have any team at all riding there . Or is it because they have good facilities and can provide a good racing strip ? I think you're slightly hoisting yourself by your own petard . If any stadium is good enough and provides good racing , i dont care what level the hosts team rides at .

[Starman2006]

My point was aimed more at the totally inept Jim Lynch . You are correct , under Middleditch (if not for a bit of Scandanavian jiggery pokery ) we might have won the thing in 2004 . But Lyon's appointment was pilloried by the EL brigade on here , i think he's doing a decent job .

 

Yep i do agree with you. Neill took Team GB as far as he could take it, so he bowed out at the right time. Rob needs a fair crack of the whip, and to be fair to the man he's done ok so far, as for blooding the youngsters, other than Tai, who else have we got who's good enough to ride on the International stage? Yes there are several,but are they really interested, apart from Eddie Kennett who's form this season has really suprised me, he's far better than what he's showing, other than him, who else??

Ah Jim Lynch, nice bloke, but im not really sure he wanted the job in the first place, i get the impression he was pressed ganged because he was the only one that applied for the position!

I thought about applying for the position, but i thought, Nah, give somebody else a chance first!!!

[BritPete]

It seems to me as though we are getting messages from Matt here! Maybe he's irked because the meeting wasn't helld at the best track in the world.

[Starman2006]

It seems to me as though we are getting messages from Matt here! Maybe he's irked because the meeting wasn't helld at the best track in the world.

 

Oh dam, ive just spat Coffee all over my keyboard. You are having a larf arn't you.

As far as the World cup is concerned you will never see two better meetings in this country than poole 2004, race off and final, but the result in the final was wrong.

Edited July 27, 2010 by Starman2006

[Steve Shovlar]

Mr Shovlar, I'm afraid I continue to disagree.

 

Mr Chapman rose to the incentive of preparing a great race track. As we found out in the Conference, racing is comparative when all riders are at the same level. You should try it sometime?

 

Try it sometime? I watch it quite bit. I will be at Poole tomorrow night for the Buccs meeting. It can be entertaiing at times but doesn't hold a candle to the Pirates meetings IMO. I have seen speedway through al the levels this year and none is comparable to top flight speedway.

[Steve Shovlar]

It seems to me as though we are getting messages from Matt here! Maybe he's irked because the meeting wasn't helld at the best track in the world.

 

I should imagine Matt, Middlo et al completely disagree with me.

[BritPete]

Oh dam, ive just spat Coffee all over my keyboard. You are having a larf arn't you.

As far as the World cup is concerned you will never see two better meetings in this country than poole 2004, race off and final, but the result in the final was wrong.

 

Wasn't that my point?

[Sprog1]

Never expcted many to agree with the first post on this thread. They are my thoughts and I knew when writing them that the vast majority would whole heartedly disagree. I expected the abuse and got it, though its water off a ducks back to me.

 

End of the day I don't think PL tracks should be allowed to host major events, regardless of what facilities are like. They should earn the right, and the right is won by their club racing in the top flight.

 

Don't agree? Fair enough. As I said I didn't expect many to agree and certainly not KL or PL fans.

 

The reason this sport is in the state it is is simply because clubs would rather sit in the PL than come up to the big boys. Riders stagnate in the PL, never fulfill their ambitions. The PL is now full of has beens and won't ever be's. A tiny percentage come through to EL from the PL in this country, and they are Jonny Foriegner. Sundstrom next year, Ward last, Holder the year before. A couple of others but the PL is clogged up with riders on their swansong or simply not good enough to progress any further. When was the last Brit to come through the PL ranks to really make a mark? Woffinden? He learnt his skills in the much more competitive Aussie system. After him?

 

PL fans say they wouldn't want their club tomove up to the EL because there's not enough clubs and therefore meetings. Well what if three/four clubs made the effort and mved up? There woould certainly be enough clubs then, wouldn't there?

 

Clubs like Kings Lynn, Sheffield and Birmingham should be EL clubs. And then IMO they could hosts meetings like last night. But giving a PL club a top meeting just because they wanted to host it gives no incentive to them to consider riding at a higher level and have riders like last night gracing their track every week.

 

I agree with much of what is being said by SS.

 

People talk sneeringly of the Elite League not being "elite" any more but the plain truth is that it is the Elite League not the Premier League that keeps world class riders in this country. "Elite" is just a word and even if you called it the Rubbish league or the Coronation Street League or some other name instead, it is still the league where the top riders ply their trade , so please, lets have less sarcasm about the title. If people prefer PL racing' they are quite welcome to support it but the truth of the matter is that without the EL by any other name there will be no world class riders over here, and without world class riders speedway in this country would all but collapse.

 

Why does the EL survive ? Only because certain people who love the sport are prepared to spend huge sums of money supporting it rather than the soft option to drop down to a lower league where the overheads are less. To that extent it is only fair that people like Rick Frost who was reported to have spent over £100,000 on Peterboro last year, including improving the faclities should get preference over a PL club even if the SWC was at EOES last year, assuming he wants it of course.

 

The only reservation I would have is that it was reported that there were 8500 people there last night and if that is correct then I am not sure if there is an EL club that could safely hold that many, so if true the stadium capacity, and nothing else would justify KL for last nights event.

[foreverblue]

I agree with much of what is being said by SS.

 

People talk sneeringly of the Elite League not being "elite" any more but the plain truth is that it is the Elite League not the Premier League that keeps world class riders in this country. "Elite" is just a word and even if you called it the Rubbish league or the Coronation Street League or some other name instead, it is still the league where the top riders ply their trade , so please, lets have less sarcasm about the title. If people prefer PL racing' they are quite welcome to support it but the truth of the matter is that without the EL by any other name there will be no world class riders over here, and without world class riders speedway in this country would all but collapse.

 

Why does the EL survive ? Only because certain people who love the sport are prepared to spend huge sums of money supporting it rather than the soft option to drop down to a lower league where the overheads are less. To that extent it is only fair that people like Rick Frost who was reported to have spent over £100,000 on Peterboro last year, including improving the faclities should get preference over a PL club even if the SWC was at EOES last year, assuming he wants it of course.

 

The only reservation I would have is that it was reported that there were 8500 people there last night and if that is correct then I am not sure if there is an EL club that could safely hold that many, so if true the stadium capacity, and nothing else would justify KL for last nights event.

On the subject of the attendance i would say 8500 is way over exaggerated,i would say 5000 max.

[tellboy]

Never expcted many to agree with the first post on this thread. They are my thoughts and I knew when writing them that the vast majority would whole heartedly disagree. I expected the abuse and got it, though its water off a ducks back to me.

 

End of the day I don't think PL tracks should be allowed to host major events, regardless of what facilities are like. They should earn the right, and the right is won by their club racing in the top flight.

 

Don't agree? Fair enough. As I said I didn't expect many to agree and certainly not KL or PL fans.

 

The reason this sport is in the state it is is simply because clubs would rather sit in the PL than come up to the big boys. Riders stagnate in the PL, never fulfill their ambitions. The PL is now full of has beens and won't ever be's. A tiny percentage come through to EL from the PL in this country, and they are Jonny Foriegner. Sundstrom next year, Ward last, Holder the year before. A couple of others but the PL is clogged up with riders on their swansong or simply not good enough to progress any further. When was the last Brit to come through the PL ranks to really make a mark? Woffinden? He learnt his skills in the much more competitive Aussie system. After him?

 

PL fans say they wouldn't want their club tomove up to the EL because there's not enough clubs and therefore meetings. Well what if three/four clubs made the effort and mved up? There woould certainly be enough clubs then, wouldn't there?

 

Clubs like Kings Lynn, Sheffield and Birmingham should be EL clubs. And then IMO they could hosts meetings like last night. But giving a PL club a top meeting just because they wanted to host it gives no incentive to them to consider riding at a higher level and have riders like last night gracing their track every week.

Have you ever thought promoters don't want to come up to the so called elite just to lose money week after week.

And it's not just some PL teams that don't want to race in the EL how about Hampel,Gollob,Crump,Holta,Pedersen,Jonsson,Zetterstrom,Hancock and Sayfutdinov these are all in the top 15 in the world right now.If the Elite league is the place to be surely these riders would be there.

[spin king]

I agree with much of what is being said by SS.

 

People talk sneeringly of the Elite League not being "elite" any more but the plain truth is that it is the Elite League not the Premier League that keeps world class riders in this country. "Elite" is just a word and even if you called it the Rubbish league or the Coronation Street League or some other name instead, it is still the league where the top riders ply their trade , so please, lets have less sarcasm about the title. If people prefer PL racing' they are quite welcome to support it but the truth of the matter is that without the EL by any other name there will be no world class riders over here, and without world class riders speedway in this country would all but collapse.

 

 

You say World Class riders ride in the Elite League, 60% of the Grand Prix riders do not ride in the Elite League, and there many more that are on the fringes of the Grand Prix do ride in the Elite.

The numbers hav e been falling steadily over recent years, and I think that it will conitnue to fall.

[Bagpuss]

Clubs like Kings Lynn, Sheffield and Birmingham should be EL clubs. And then IMO they could hosts meetings like last night. But giving a PL club a top meeting just because they wanted to host it gives no incentive to them to consider riding at a higher level and have riders like last night gracing their track every week.

 

It may work the other way and encourage them to take the plunge.....Buster has already described last night as incredible on local radio and perhaps he might fancy a few more night like that in the EL in future?

 

I respect your opinion and you obviously know your speedway but are you really so blind that you can't see why clubs are loathe to move up? If the EL got its house in order and made the step up more attractive you may well get your wish. Which I actually share....a much more stable EL product at Lynn every Wednesday would be great.