Bryn Posted July 31, 2010 Report Share Posted July 31, 2010 (edited) Like most I firmly believe that airfences have considerably added to rider safety which is only to be desired and strived for but should they be made compulsory? As an example should Rye House be made to install one? :unsure: Edited July 31, 2010 by Bryn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5 FURROW Posted July 31, 2010 Report Share Posted July 31, 2010 (edited) Absolutely I am in a tiny minority that has this view. My opinion is as valid as anyone elses and I didn't expect many others to think along the same lines as myself. I just believe that by giving events like this to PL clubs, what incentive does it give them to consider moving up to bigger things? Sure the stadium and track is upto the job, and so is Sheffield. But while EL clubs keep top flight speedway alive in the UK, they should benefit from top flight meetings. After all the EL teams are putting their money on the line much more than any PL club. I think you will find that it is skys money that may keep most of the elite league clubs going Edited July 31, 2010 by 5 FURROW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickthemuppet Posted July 31, 2010 Report Share Posted July 31, 2010 Only in the last couple of weeks two teams have made nosies about closeing due to losing money ....Both of those have been Pl clubs in fact one of those clubs had a Crowd of 266 ! ....The El is far from perfect but it's speedway in general that is in trouble not just the El . I think you will find that Mildenhall are National League Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hans fan Posted July 31, 2010 Report Share Posted July 31, 2010 Kings Lynn borrowed Peterboroughs. Outrageous that they haven't got one of their own to be honest. Perhaps the profit the club made will be invested in buying one. got to agree lynn are very lucky they have there own food/bar outlets for profits.... most elite clubs only get gate money and they have to provide airfences Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted July 31, 2010 Report Share Posted July 31, 2010 A far bigger issue that seems to have been overlooked, is the fact that on Monday an airfence magically appeared but at the next meeting two days later it had disappeared again. This is nothing short of a disgrace and shows the complete lack of regard for the safety of riders in the lower leagues. I shall try to explain. This question has come up so often and it has nothing to do with the Chapman's not wanting an air fence, they have no one to put it up. We bought Oxfords old air fence when they folded to be used in all speedway events. Because they have stockcars most weekends and other events during the week the air fence could only be put up on race day and taken down on race day. On Monday, yes it was Peterborough's air fence and they had about a crew of 10 to erect it and take it down. To put it up took about 3-4 hours & took it down in about 2 hours. Our promotion on several occasions has asked for 10 volunteers to put up the air fence on race days and they could only get, off the top of my head, 4 to put it up but they couldn't make it every week and 2 to take it down (I offered my services for both). They even advertised in the local paper to asking for help and got nothing. They spent around £10k on a pissing air fence they couldn't use. I believe also that there is / was a rule that once a team uses an air fence at a league event it must be used at all times or face fines. Which, obviously our club couldn't commit to that. The promotion isn't to blame for this, I blame the KL fans who gob off at every occasion that we should have an air fence then can't be ass'd when helps required. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blazeaway Posted July 31, 2010 Report Share Posted July 31, 2010 Like most I firmly believe that airfences have considerably added to rider safety which is only to be desired and strived for but should they be made compulsory? As an example should Rye House be made to install one? Bad example, Rye's fence is probably the safest without actually being an airfence. Or is that the point you were making? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted July 31, 2010 Report Share Posted July 31, 2010 Bad example, Rye's fence is probably the safest without actually being an airfence. Or is that the point you were making? That's what he ment I'm sure, an air fence at Rye I believe would make it more dangerous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sprog1 Posted July 31, 2010 Report Share Posted July 31, 2010 I shall try to explain. This question has come up so often and it has nothing to do with the Chapman's not wanting an air fence, they have no one to put it up. We bought Oxfords old air fence when they folded to be used in all speedway events. Because they have stockcars most weekends and other events during the week the air fence could only be put up on race day and taken down on race day. On Monday, yes it was Peterborough's air fence and they had about a crew of 10 to erect it and take it down. To put it up took about 3-4 hours & took it down in about 2 hours. Our promotion on several occasions has asked for 10 volunteers to put up the air fence on race days and they could only get, off the top of my head, 4 to put it up but they couldn't make it every week and 2 to take it down (I offered my services for both). They even advertised in the local paper to asking for help and got nothing. They spent around £10k on a pissing air fence they couldn't use. I believe also that there is / was a rule that once a team uses an air fence at a league event it must be used at all times or face fines. Which, obviously our club couldn't commit to that. The promotion isn't to blame for this, I blame the KL fans who gob off at every occasion that we should have an air fence then can't be ass'd when helps required. Loads of clubs have the same problem but find a way round it. At Lakeside not just the airfence but the entire safety fence has to be erected and taken down on raceday and I am sure there must be others in the same situation. Where there's a will theres away. If you can't get volunteers you have to offer some kind of inducement such as free admission or some other kind of financial incentive. I can't believe its beyond the wit of businessmen to get airfences erected if they really want to. The advertisements on the airfence more than pay the cost of getting it up and down. KL had no touble finding someone to put the airfence up and down when they wanted to stage the SWC qualifier, so why not every meeting ? Whats more important a few quid to get an airfence up or rider safety ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted July 31, 2010 Report Share Posted July 31, 2010 I think you will find that Mildenhall are National League I said two Pl clubs ...Newport and Workington . i never even knew Mildenhall were in the pl any more who rides for them ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salty Posted July 31, 2010 Report Share Posted July 31, 2010 That's what he ment I'm sure, an air fence at Rye I believe would make it more dangerous Did they use an air fence in the past couple of years at Rye when they hosted Under 21 qualifiers? And will they have one in place for the Under 21 Team Final in September? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KEITH M Posted July 31, 2010 Report Share Posted July 31, 2010 (edited) Talking about PL clubs with lack of ambition Steve.My club Newcastle don't have the best stadium,most supporters or most ambition to move up, but what if they did? Even if they had the best stadium in the country, best track, were watched by 3000+ every week and did have the ambition to move up. We couldn't because we ride on a Sunday which clashes with the Polish League so to move up we would have to change race day which could only be a Monday(stadium shared with greyhounds) which clashes with Sky League matches.So for us to move up would probably be a finacial disaster from the start. So moving up is not all about lack of ambition it's about being sensible. Edited July 31, 2010 by KEITH M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midnight_Lady Posted July 31, 2010 Report Share Posted July 31, 2010 So moving up is not all about lack of ambition it's about being sensible. Exactly. It's a pity the EL fans who continually deride PL clubs for not moving up can't see the bigger picture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted July 31, 2010 Report Share Posted July 31, 2010 Exactly. It's a pity the EL fans who continually deride PL clubs for not moving up can't see the bigger picture. I pull you up on that. I think they can see the bigger picture, and it's getting bigger every week. It'll be the pictures of their own ass's with their heads up them, in Shovlar's case, they will be in 3D also Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted July 31, 2010 Report Share Posted July 31, 2010 (edited) Talking about PL clubs with lack of ambition Steve.My club Newcastle don't have the best stadium,most supporters or most ambition to move up, but what if they did? Even if they had the best stadium in the country, best track, were watched by 3000+ every week and did have the ambition to move up. We couldn't because we ride on a Sunday which clashes with the Polish League so to move up we would have to change race day which could only be a Monday(stadium shared with greyhounds) which clashes with Sky League matches.So for us to move up would probably be a finacial disaster from the start. So moving up is not all about lack of ambition it's about being sensible. There is no ambition because there is nothing to be ambitious about that is what the debate is about ...giving Pl teams the cream of the meetings is hardly going to change that . In football all the teams want to get the top because the rewards are there that is why people think speedway is a joke as teams want to stay in a lower league thats got to change . Edited July 31, 2010 by orion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zipplexft Posted July 31, 2010 Report Share Posted July 31, 2010 Only in the last couple of weeks two teams have made nosies about closeing due to losing money ....Both of those have been Pl clubs in fact one of those clubs had a Crowd of 266 ! ....The El is far from perfect but it's speedway in general that is in trouble not just the El . i totally agree speedway in general is the trouble,grand prix has rearly cost elite clubs money cos riders are unavailable cos gps,how many times have riders had sick notes and not rode for the clubs cos a gp is coming up,sometimes its been 4 weeks until elite clubs have had home meetings,no wonder they are not getting good crowds cos people are losing interest,aty least with pl they no there riders are goin to be there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted July 31, 2010 Report Share Posted July 31, 2010 i totally agree speedway in general is the trouble,grand prix has rearly cost elite clubs money cos riders are unavailable cos gps,how many times have riders had sick notes and not rode for the clubs cos a gp is coming up,sometimes its been 4 weeks until elite clubs have had home meetings,no wonder they are not getting good crowds cos people are losing interest,aty least with pl they no there riders are goin to be there. With the exception of Edinburgh of course Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zipplexft Posted July 31, 2010 Report Share Posted July 31, 2010 No humble pie eating here. I stick to what I say. PL tracks should be nowhere near a major event. do you love poole that much ,were you cheering for your team members,ward,watt,holder,did you have your aussie flag out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted July 31, 2010 Report Share Posted July 31, 2010 i totally agree speedway in general is the trouble,grand prix has rearly cost elite clubs money cos riders are unavailable cos gps,how many times have riders had sick notes and not rode for the clubs cos a gp is coming up,sometimes its been 4 weeks until elite clubs have had home meetings,no wonder they are not getting good crowds cos people are losing interest,aty least with pl they no there riders are goin to be there. What like Thomas Bush And Chris Neath last night ? In the pl your getting riders who don't turn up for meetings because that have not got a bike as well riders being sick at Airports when they don't want get a average . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zipplexft Posted July 31, 2010 Report Share Posted July 31, 2010 With the exception of Edinburgh of course i have very good memories of edinburgh,i hope they find a new track,i have seen some of the best speedway ever at powderhall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadders Posted July 31, 2010 Report Share Posted July 31, 2010 (edited) What like Thomas Bush And Chris Neath last night ? In the pl your getting riders who don't turn up for meetings because that have not got a bike as well riders being sick at Airports when they don't want get a average . Whats Chris Neath got to do with it? Edited July 31, 2010 by Shadders Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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