philfromcov Posted November 24, 2003 Report Share Posted November 24, 2003 Under the top secret leaked copy of the grading system actually i made thise bands up on the friday afternoon, does that mean ther correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lioness Posted November 24, 2003 Report Share Posted November 24, 2003 As with all good 'rumours' Phil they are now being quoted as fact on other websites! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philfromcov Posted November 24, 2003 Report Share Posted November 24, 2003 As with all good 'rumours' Phil they are now being quoted as fact on other websites! if thats the case then i would wish to annonce my engagement to Julie Bradbury Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace_of_clubs Posted November 24, 2003 Report Share Posted November 24, 2003 Doesn't really matter whether your gradings (or wherever the came from) are right. Wherever the grading line is drawn there's going to be some lucky chap who is 0.01 below the next highest grade, and some poor sod who is 0.01 above the grade below. Wherever the lines are drawn it seems that Rusty Harrison's 6.99 which converts down to 3.50 would put him in the lowest grade. P.S. Sophie Blake says can we join up with you and Julia and make it a double wedding? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lioness Posted November 24, 2003 Report Share Posted November 24, 2003 As with all good 'rumours' Phil they are now being quoted as fact on other websites! if thats the case then i would wish to annonce my engagement to Julie Bradbury I would reply but I don't have time-I'm off to post on everyopther website that Phil has got engaged to Julia Bradbury for anyone who hasn't heard ps if you wanna throw in David Walsh then for the interests of balance I would be willing tomake it a threesome-oopes I think I worded that wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philfromcov Posted November 24, 2003 Report Share Posted November 24, 2003 im sure its just appeared on the BSI web site Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shoddy Posted November 24, 2003 Report Share Posted November 24, 2003 If anybody wants to post rumours of my affair with Kate Moss they can do - if anybody knows her phone number my mail address is IBLOODYWISH@veryhotmail.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Kylie Minogue Posted November 24, 2003 Report Share Posted November 24, 2003 If anyone wants to post rumours of my affair with Ace_of_Clubs they can do too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Addy Posted November 25, 2003 Report Share Posted November 25, 2003 lose 6 points (ok not saying this is going to happen!) best possible squad Jonsson 5 Fisher 2 Stead 3 Robson 3 Janirro 4 Bunyan 1 Risager 1 Wouldn't Risager be a 2 pointer? (4.50 ave seems to equate to grade E = 2 points) Still at least you got a good run at the 2003 title to build up your massively overstrong side. Here at Belle Vue our all conquering 2003 side leaves us with a too strong heat leader trio of Crump (6 points), Lyons (4) and Screen (4) which breaks the 13 point limit on heat leaders. Just demonstrates how stupid the whole thing izzzz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Addy Posted November 25, 2003 Report Share Posted November 25, 2003 If anyone wants to post rumours of my affair with Ace_of_Clubs they can do too. Sooooo it was U on the grassy knoll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21st century heathen Posted November 26, 2003 Report Share Posted November 26, 2003 Ok, the realities the, present squadhamill 5 janirro 4 Richardson 5 Robson 3 jonsson 5 fisher 2 Bunyan 1 equals 25 lose 6 points (ok not saying this is going to happen!) best possible squad Jonsson 5 Fisher 2 Stead 3 Robson 3 Janirro 4 Bunyan 1 Risager 1 If this were the team then lets examine what the Bees fans are going to get for their money. (for the record I don't mean any disrespect to the riders. i'm just making comparrisons in an in your face/black and white kind of way) Last year An ex world champion Two ex under 21 champions Two of the hottest young riders out of America for quite some time. BJ in particular improved dramatically A solid reserve/second string A try hard who struggled but always gave 100% and was entertaining especially towards the end of the season. This coming season 1 ex under 21 champion 2 reserves riding in second string positions (or 1 at heat leader depends if you count the teams as now having 2 or 3 heat leaders) Solid second string/reserve One of last years second strings now at 2nd heat leader position 1 3.something struggling reserve 1 kid who's never raced over here Now like I said no disrespect, but I think that clearly illustrates how much weaker the teams in the Depleted League will be this coming season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemini Posted November 26, 2003 Report Share Posted November 26, 2003 That just about sums it up. Looking good isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21st century heathen Posted November 26, 2003 Report Share Posted November 26, 2003 Did I really say I'd be along every week next season Hope nobody noticed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyM Posted November 26, 2003 Report Share Posted November 26, 2003 That's it - time to pack up and go home. What's the point of watching EL speedway when the teams are scarcely better than the teams they tracked for the BLC this year? When will some promoter have the guts to challenge this total farce? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin palmer Posted November 27, 2003 Report Share Posted November 27, 2003 Firstly, I think some people are missing the plot with regard to gradings. QUESTION....Why did the BSPA vote them in? ANSWER....to ensure a distribution of at least 1 Top rider to the New Teams moving up ( something that has always failed to happen in the past), and also to reduce the costs, notably from High Wage demands from some Top riders, because they have been in short supply. Now this may sound very unfair, both to Fans who have to lose a favourite Rider ( or two), and also on the Riders, and who can blame them for wanting to earn as much as possible. But the simple fact is, that Speedway has been Spending more than it has been receiving, for several Seasons now, and it cannot go on. Any common Business sense will tell you that. You have to cut your cloth accordingly, and this is what the BSPA have done. If they had not, the EL would have folded completely next year, because Arena and Swindon would not have moved up, and Ipswich, and possibly Peterborough may have dropped down. I suspect that only 3 EL Clubs mad money last year. The rest would have lost substantial amounts. What we have got from the BSPA, is a Survival package, and a package, that with the continued support from Sky, just might work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shoddy Posted November 27, 2003 Report Share Posted November 27, 2003 Valid points but this is just a way to drop the limit in the EL without admitting to it. It looks to me like many EL teams will be no stronger than those tracked in the BL Cup last year which EL promoters claimed were fair and even with PL sides. The BL Cup being a classic example of everybody being able to see the mis-match strength and being completely right at the end of it all meaning a great idea gets dropped after 1 year! It is just a way of weakening the overall strenth of the league whilst the 'big' teams will still be able to offer better terms to better riders in each grade and be much stronger as per usual. I see the point you made but there are much more transparent and fairer ways of doing this surely?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Meynell Posted November 27, 2003 Report Share Posted November 27, 2003 (edited) Valid points but this is just a way to drop the limit in the EL without admitting to it. It looks to me like many EL teams will be no stronger than those tracked in the BL Cup last year which EL promoters claimed were fair and even with PL sides. I remain far from convinced that grading is a sensible way of controlling team strengths, but I don't really care about diluting the strength of the BEL if it means more teams and variety, and reduces costs to ensure the league has a long-term future. Edited November 27, 2003 by Kevin Meynell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin palmer Posted November 27, 2003 Report Share Posted November 27, 2003 SHODDY...to be fair, not many EL Teams put their No1 Riders into their BL Cup Matches...only on exceptional occasions, so I dont think thats a fair comparison. With regard to the "There must be another way".....you would think so, but the Sport has been trying to control costs, unsuccessfully, for years, and have also been trying to tempt more Teams up, again unsuccessfully, so something has worked this time. The proof of the pudding will be at the end of next Season. If costs are reduced, the Competitons close, with good competative matches, then it should be deemed a success, and hopefully we can grow to 12 Teams next year.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shoddy Posted November 27, 2003 Report Share Posted November 27, 2003 Points taken. Being a PL supporter and very happy to remain so it is true that the EL needs to make itself attractive. A team like Sheffield should want to be there and we as fans should really want to be going for the top title but I would say the massive majority are happy where we are. Hopefully these changes can be a first step to that shift in perception happening. I can't see why a points limit reduction, with a limit on heat leader points to make sure they are spread fairly, would not have achieved the same aims but also with less chance of strong or weak sides. The sides that can pay the young improving riders at the top of the grade bands, who will be like gold dust, will dominate and others will miss out in a big way. It is surely the same as when the PL were considering dropping the points limit and promoters said it would make lower riders more valuable and overall not lower any costs. The sides willing to keep paying as before will win matches, the sides needing lower costs will lose matches. With regard to the strength it will be interesting to see what teams look like in terms of the points limit of old??? By the way plenty of EL teams started using their top men as soon as we got to the knockout stages of the BL Cup!!! The most important thing is that speedway carries on and is successful but differing team strengths and ****** off fans being ignored on things like Its-a-knockout Jokers is surely not the way. Compared to 10 or 15 years ago speedway is a much stronger sport (by miles) and I hope this can continue and that we don't take a step back with any of these changes. Fingers crossed... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted November 27, 2003 Report Share Posted November 27, 2003 I don't know if the grading system is to be long term or just for this year, but on a one year basis I certainly don't have a problem with it. You could put a limit on heat leader averages, but teams would probably all hang on to their 'grade A' riders and nobody would be available for teams coming up. It's unfortunate, but if the EL wants teams to move up a league, then they have to make it clear that there will be top riders available to them if they do. This didn't happen last time, so they had to find another way. It may cause quite a difference with team averages, but I don't have a problem with that. I don't see why every team needs an almost identical average at the start of the year, and there's yet to be a year when they've all ended up equal at the end so it's a bit of a false levelling up. As a short term fix to get top heat leaders distributed I think it's okay, and, let's face it, nothing is ever long term in speedway so lets see what happens in the future. I trust them even less now after certain other rules they've brought it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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