salty Posted July 18, 2010 Report Share Posted July 18, 2010 Must be his lucky year. Not too fair on the rest but. The riders should protest and go on strike until this frakus is sorted. What are you on about? The fracas is sorted - meeting stands as per the 12 heats. If anything Bogdanovs might be the one hard done by - he might have carried on winning and thus be denied a better advantage. Earlier you mentioned the meeting should have been rescheduled for Sunday, to finish off the remaining heats or start over? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anders Posted July 18, 2010 Report Share Posted July 18, 2010 Must be his lucky year. Not too fair on the rest but. The riders should protest and go on strike until this frakus is sorted. Considering 9 of 12 heats were won from gates 3 & 4 up until heat 12, and Bogdanovs had one white and one yellow to go, HE should be the one to protest! What are you on about? Thank you for writing that, so I didn't have to... Maksims Bogdanovs is a definite candidate to win the U21 titel this year, just as the more well known names of the series. He's good, and all need to wake up and face the reality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenryW Posted July 18, 2010 Report Share Posted July 18, 2010 Must be his lucky year. Not too fair on the rest but. The riders should protest and go on strike until this frakus is sorted. What is your problem with Mad Max? He has been looking the class act all season at U21 level this year, and he just got out there and performed when the conditions were bad yesterday. Obviously it's not ideal to have to race in such conditions, and it's not ideal to have to cancel a match part way through, but it's certainly not unprecedented at this level, and everyone just needs to get on with it. The bigger issue for me was why the Danes didn't protest against the silencers while every other rider did? Anyone know the reasons? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirt Posted July 19, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 19, 2010 What are you on about? The fracas is sorted - meeting stands as per the 12 heats. If anything Bogdanovs might be the one hard done by - he might have carried on winning and thus be denied a better advantage. Earlier you mentioned the meeting should have been rescheduled for Sunday, to finish off the remaining heats or start over? To start over and run the meeting properly. They obviously got it wrong by starting it in the first place, just admit they stuffed up, and inform the riders they can use the 3 heats ridden as practise; meeting to start following day in the dry. (which it was) No advantage to anyone, and no one can complain. Sure Bogdanovs could be considered hard done by, or unlucky, but its no different to a race that gets stopped after two and a half laps and a rider has a clear lead. They restart it and the rider leading has to do it all over again. Get on with it. Im not sure if any world finals have been settled after 3 heats? But I know of Australian Championships from the past that have been stopped by rain, after 3/4 heats out of five with a clear leader, and they have to do it all over again! Not 100% sure but the name Mick Poole springs to mind as one such unlucky rider. On the other hand; If the conditions weren't all that bad and riders had nothing to complain about, then you could tell them to come back tomm for 2 heats and finish it that way. But why waste the same money and time for 2 heats, that would be stupid,,,but still better and fairer than what they did. This meeting Id presume should have had a big crowd, that all would feel disappoionted and ripped off, so make them happy and put on the full show the next day in the sun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirt Posted July 19, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 19, 2010 (edited) What is your problem with Mad Max? He has been looking the class act all season at U21 level this year, and he just got out there and performed when the conditions were bad yesterday. Obviously it's not ideal to have to race in such conditions, and it's not ideal to have to cancel a match part way through, but it's certainly not unprecedented at this level, and everyone just needs to get on with it. The bigger issue for me was why the Danes didn't protest against the silencers while every other rider did? Anyone know the reasons? Nothing at all against Bogdy or 'mad Max'. Its just terribly unfair SO FAR as Bodgy was in a meeting that was canceled as you say yet the result stands. How can you say it was canceled if their keeping the points? What if only 2 and a half rounds of heats were finished before it had to be stopped? Surely Bogdy wouldnt of kept his advantage then! and how bad were the conditions in the last heat or two before the end? ...very or fairly lucky either way. If it's true that the next round is his home track in Latvia? of all places...its unbelievable lucky, or unlucky for some? When was this even a speedway nation? last year croatia now latvia? why??? what have they done for the sport over the years to evan warrent consideration? But as Pavlic found out last year in his backyard,,Ward doesn't believe in home ground advantage lol. He rides better with a job ahead of him and being the underdog. He just cranks it on. It will do his title hopes no harm whatsoever. As long as the track is raceable. As for the silencers maybe the danes like them - except Madsen of course. Edited July 19, 2010 by dirt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.B Posted July 19, 2010 Report Share Posted July 19, 2010 Hello from Latvia ! I am very pleased with the race results. Bogdanow first. Nobody believes in it. but track in Gdansk he loves and he is good for him. Laguta and Tarasenko - my club racers too well raceed. Pity. that weather conditions are not allowed to finish the race The next stage in Daugavpils and I think that the podium will be all our - Bogdanow. Laguta and Tarasenko Now I appeared to you very terrible secret Vadim Tarasenko - a nephew of Artem and Grigory Laguta. He is the son of their sister. Way. there is another nephew (though not from sister. and from another brother. surname he also Laguta). he is now 12-13 years. coming soon racing Genetic engineering in action! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirt Posted July 19, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 19, 2010 Hello from Latvia ! I am very pleased with the race results. Bogdanow first. Nobody believes in it. but track in Gdansk he loves and he is good for him. Laguta and Tarasenko - my club racers too well raceed. Pity. that weather conditions are not allowed to finish the race The next stage in Daugavpils and I think that the podium will be all our - Bogdanow. Laguta and Tarasenko Now I appeared to you very terrible secret Vadim Tarasenko - a nephew of Artem and Grigory Laguta. He is the son of their sister. Way. there is another nephew (though not from sister. and from another brother. surname he also Laguta). he is now 12-13 years. coming soon racing Genetic engineering in action! hhhahahhahahahaah. Have you rigged the whole tournament?hahahhah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salty Posted July 19, 2010 Report Share Posted July 19, 2010 If it's true that the next round is his home track in Latvia? of all places...its unbelievable lucky, or unlucky for some? When was this even a speedway nation? last year croatia now latvia? why??? what have they done for the sport over the years to evan warrent consideration? As Latvia was part of the old USSR its fair to say that they have a bit of history in the sport to say the least. Plenty of World Finalists in the the 60's and 70's. In recent years Latvia has been a GP circuit and Gorican in Croatia gets its first GP this year. Therefore both countries with a growing interest in Speedway so only right they should be encoursged. Unfortunately, logistics and finance dictate that the main meetings are held in Europe, can't see an Aussie promoter getting involved after the guy got his fingers burnt holding the GP in Sydney a few years back. As for your idea of re-running the whole Gdansk meeting again - sorry mate, but a daft idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrissySW Posted July 19, 2010 Report Share Posted July 19, 2010 (edited) hhhahahhahahahaah. Have you rigged the whole tournament?hahahhah No, he's merely stating his opinion. The Eastern European tracks tend to be pretty unique and hence favour those with experience there. Who's to say that won't be the finishing order? We all know how much you rate Ward. I hate to tell you though, he's really not as good as you think he is. He's a good rider, don't get me wrong. You think the sun shines out his backside though, and trust me, it certainly does not. Bogdanovs won fair and square. Track's the same for everyone. If you want to persist with your line about bad luck, why not look back at last year when Woffinden was denied the title courtest of a tapes offence? Edited July 19, 2010 by ChrissySW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirt Posted July 20, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 No, he's merely stating his opinion. The Eastern European tracks tend to be pretty unique and hence favour those with experience there. Who's to say that won't be the finishing order? We all know how much you rate Ward. I hate to tell you though, he's really not as good as you think he is. He's a good rider, don't get me wrong. You think the sun shines out his backside though, and trust me, it certainly does not. Bogdanovs won fair and square. Track's the same for everyone. If you want to persist with your line about bad luck, why not look back at last year when Woffinden was denied the title courtest of a tapes offence? I think youve got luck mixed up with making a bad/costly mistake. Unless you can prove the tapes didn't go up properly, which you cant, then its the opposite of luck. He made an obvious error and can blame no one and nothing but himself. Ward is pure class...and Im sorry I dont trust you. For arguments sake since you mention Woffinden: Do you think Woffinden is a better rider than Ward? please answer yes, so I know your just taking the pee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirt Posted July 20, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 As Latvia was part of the old USSR its fair to say that they have a bit of history in the sport to say the least. Plenty of World Finalists in the the 60's and 70's. In recent years Latvia has been a GP circuit and Gorican in Croatia gets its first GP this year. Therefore both countries with a growing interest in Speedway so only right they should be encoursged. Unfortunately, logistics and finance dictate that the main meetings are held in Europe, can't see an Aussie promoter getting involved after the guy got his fingers burnt holding the GP in Sydney a few years back. As for your idea of re-running the whole Gdansk meeting again - sorry mate, but a daft idea. I thought the 3rd round was in Russia? I'll check that. I can accept hold the meetings in Europe, but England should have at least one round. So the Aussies and anyone else who speaks the most popular language of the world can actually understand whats going on. It should not be dictated by which promotor wants it, instead the governing body should fairly decide and announce where it will be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salty Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 I thought the 3rd round was in Russia? I'll check that. I can accept hold the meetings in Europe, but England should have at least one round. So the Aussies and anyone else who speaks the most popular language of the world can actually understand whats going on. It should not be dictated by which promotor wants it, instead the governing body should fairly decide and announce where it will be. 2nd round in Latvia, 3rd in Czech Republic. Think you'll find that it is the governing body who decides where the meetings will be, but obviously tracks have to be willing to promote them. In England, Rye House is holding the Under 21 team final this year and has held individual under 21 qualifiers. Language just isn't an issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffster Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 I thought the 3rd round was in Russia? I'll check that. I can accept hold the meetings in Europe, but England should have at least one round. So the Aussies and anyone else who speaks the most popular language of the world can actually understand whats going on. It should not be dictated by which promotor wants it, instead the governing body should fairly decide and announce where it will be. Salty is absolutely 100% correct in the post above. Its the FIM that decide where meetings are held, although tracks do of course express interest in staging whatever meetings they wish to... 3rd and Final round of this years World Under 21 final is in Pardubice, Czech Republic on 2nd October. As for your comment "I can accept hold the meetings in Europe, but England should have at least one round. So the Aussies and anyone else who speaks the most popular language of the world can actually understand whats going on.", that is laughably unbelievable to be frank, as the riders will obviously know what's going on. Results will be announced in English, as they tend to be during Golden Helmet weekend at Pardubice (The World Under 21 Final is being staged the day before the Golden Helmet this year) Riders dont need to hear results in English anyway - They know who beat who, and if language was such a concern, the likes of Darcy, Holder, Leigh, Jason, etc, etc would not hop over to Poland and Sweden every week for league racing, let alone world championship and other commitments ! Talent that he is, Darcy Ward is a LONG way from being the finished article at the current time. By the way, the 3rd and final round of the 2011 World Under 21 final is also slated for Pardubice...Its a great weekend, I highly recommend it, if you can get over the "language barrier" of course Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavyH Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 va piva prosimo (sp?) is all the Czech you need Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladyluck Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 va piva prosimo (sp?) is all the Czech you need Jeden pivo prosím. It would be a nice tradition if the final round were always to be staged as part of the Golden Helmet weekend in Pardubice. There is probably always going to be at least one round staged in Poland, whether anyone likes it or not. The Poles have a lot of FIM approved tracks and the willingness to stage these meetings. The Poles seem to fight over the right to stage GPs, which is why they have three at the minute, with Gorzow and Zielona Gora also interested. I think some people (well, possibly one person) here is being very disrespectful. Ward has hardly set the world alight this season, in stark contrast to last season. He seems to have been dropped by his Polish club in favour of Michael Jepsen Jensen and is sitting at reserve for Poole. Bogdanovs is a more than useful rider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrissySW Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 (edited) I think youve got luck mixed up with making a bad/costly mistake. Unless you can prove the tapes didn't go up properly, which you cant, then its the opposite of luck. He made an obvious error and can blame no one and nothing but himself. Ward is pure class...and Im sorry I dont trust you. For arguments sake since you mention Woffinden: Do you think Woffinden is a better rider than Ward? please answer yes, so I know your just taking the pee. I just saw your comment on language barriers. I don't think that's a real issue in speedway. Kevin Wolbert's english isn't fluent, and he gets on very well riding for us in Edinburgh. The U21 series is now a bit better that it's being held over 3 rounds, on different tracks. It will show that whoever wins can adapt to riding different types of track. Where the tracks are georgraphically is neither here nor there, in my opinion. If you're visiting a different country it's usually a great experience - having visited Poland for speedway, it's a great experience. In fairness I thought Ward rode fantasticly at Peterborough tonight. I'm not a huge fan of what I'd seen of Darcy last season, but he impressed me there - and piled up valuable fantasy league points for me too! Having seen both at a similar age, I think Woffinden was better. He had more track craft, and was a clever rider. On his first visit to Armadale, he followed people for 3 laps, and then made his move. Ward on the other hand went gung-ho, and had to withdraw from the meeting! Obviously Woffinden is a better rider than him comparing them right now, but that wouldn't really be fair since Tai's got a couple of years on Ward. His Elite League average says that, all from the main body. I think Ward's good, I just don't think he's as good as you, nor plenty others, think. Edited July 20, 2010 by ChrissySW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gray Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 (edited) Some heats from first final: 2 heat: http://www.youtube.com/user/slavomx#p/u/4/hVsjyG71bvs or http://www.youtube.com/user/m2w2gm#p/u/6/nQDZp4iowbU 3 heat: or http://www.youtube.com/user/slavomx#p/u/3/xTQCRwk5gCg4 heat: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pvR11NMWIc...feature=related or http://www.youtube.com/user/m2w2gm#p/u/4/UiLf9ReQBYw 5 heat: http://www.youtube.com/user/m2w2gm#p/u/3/CaoENjXoyoo rain: http://www.youtube.com/user/m2w2gm#p/u/2/-QemCPKxX7Q Polish coach on track: http://www.youtube.com/user/m2w2gm#p/u/1/eCsYpIvhm5M preparing the track: http://www.youtube.com/user/m2w2gm#p/u/0/ZYagDfnvBuU Hougaard vs Dudek: http://www.youtube.com/user/slavomx#p/a/u/1/aQLpAu9wQMo 11 heat: Edited July 21, 2010 by Gray Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenryW Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 (edited) 2 heat: or http://www.youtube.com/user/m2w2gm#p/u/6/nQDZp4iowbU Looks like the first one is incorrectly labelled on youtube and is actually heat 3. Obviously Woffinden is a better rider than him comparing them right now, but that wouldn't really be fair since Tai's got a couple of years on Ward. His Elite League average says that, all from the main body. I think Ward's good, I just don't think he's as good as you, nor plenty others, think. Current UK averages: Darcy Ward 8.19, Tai Woffinden 7.27. Hmmm.... Edited July 20, 2010 by HenryW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoofyy Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 I think they both have talent and their my two FAVOURITE riders but i would have to say Ward is better. He's achived more than Woffinden did when he was 17/18 but you probably will all say that Woffinden is better because he's in the GP's and has had 2 years in the elite league but he's older than Ward and has had more experience at higher level. But did Woffinden break the track record at peterbrough when it was his first time ? No it was darcy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salty Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 The fact Woffinden is in the GP's means nothing in terms of him being a better rider. It's not as if he qualified. Can't see any need to compare the two of them really, they are both very promising and Ward's feat of winning the Under 21 title last year was exceptional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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