speedway2011 Posted July 11, 2010 Report Share Posted July 11, 2010 If they used the money spent on bringing over these guys , on developing Brits things might change I agree also I have no idea why my sensible post was removed, i spend alot of money on going to speedway and my views were as i and several others see it. Mod Note: I suggest you check your posts before making false allegations as a quick check in the deleted section shows you have had NO posts removed and the untrue claims of mods removing perfectly good posts for no reason are getting a bit tedious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben91 Posted July 11, 2010 Report Share Posted July 11, 2010 British speedway is slipping no doubt. We are behind, Poland, Australia, Denmark, Sweden and Russia, whilst slipping even further is always a possibility. Looking through the posts here, Ladyluck's regarding Sweden being in a similar position to us is something I do not agree with, Sweden are still bringing through some brilliant young riders, whilst our best youngsters at the moment will only be 5/6 point Elite League riders in the future in my opinion. Riders like Tomas Jonasson and Linus Sundstrom, I can see challenging for world titles in future, Craig Cook, Josh Auty and Ben Barker, I can't see any of them getting into the GP's at all to be perfectly honest. Thats nothing personal against them, just my view. The next breakthrough British rider in my opinion will be Marc Owen, if he steers clear of injury and keeps focussed on the sport, which i'm sure he can, then he can go all the way to the top. Riders like Marc are natural talents, Marc could have been born in any country and he'd still be a fantastic speedway rider, other countries, who have the facilities to train wherever and whenever they want seemingly can manufacture brilliant riders who would perhaps have only been of an average standard without the training they have been given. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horse17 Posted July 11, 2010 Report Share Posted July 11, 2010 National anthem, how many of the brits were singing it ? possibly None as for there riding, we are not good enough and should pull out of the world cup now when will we see the next british world champion ? If you had a look Ben Barker was mumbling it but the riders are totally focused on the meeting. How many other riders do you see singing the national anthem in their countries before the meeting i don't see many of them at all. Only when they have won the meeting or they might not even sing it then. it's possibly not the riders it's there equipment in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladyluck Posted July 11, 2010 Report Share Posted July 11, 2010 Looking through the posts here, Ladyluck's regarding Sweden being in a similar position to us is something I do not agree with, Sweden are still bringing through some brilliant young riders, whilst our best youngsters at the moment will only be 5/6 point Elite League riders in the future in my opinion. Not sure about Linus Sundstrom, but Thomas H Jonasson is older than the likes of Woffinden. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted July 11, 2010 Report Share Posted July 11, 2010 Not sure it is just lack of help.How long ago was it that we had threads and hundreds of posts saying that Lewis Bridger was a future World Champ????? He seems to get help and was fast tracked into the EL.Kennett was another who didn't seem to lack help and advice.You can take a horse to water........Sometime times will change and one or two youngsters will come on the scene again.But it will be down to luck and might take a decade or two.Doubt the system will change to bring through youngsters like Denmark and what sort of system is it in Aussie that helps those kids????More down to mentality there i think rather tha ngetting systematcal help from the Australian authorities Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted July 11, 2010 Report Share Posted July 11, 2010 (edited) British speedway is slipping no doubt. We are behind, Poland, Australia, Denmark, Sweden and Russia, whilst slipping even further is always a possibility. Looking through the posts here, Ladyluck's regarding Sweden being in a similar position to us is something I do not agree with, Sweden are still bringing through some brilliant young riders, whilst our best youngsters at the moment will only be 5/6 point Elite League riders in the future in my opinion. Riders like Tomas Jonasson and Linus Sundstrom, I can see challenging for world titles in future, i think you forgot Dennis Andersson who have been riding very well this season. Anyway Ladyluck, there is plenty of Swedish riders that have gotten plenty of rides/season for many years without improving particularly. Then there isn't really that many Swedish riders from the beginning so if we would have a rule for 3-4 Swedish riders/team it would be very hard for all teams to find enough Swedish riders which would mean that the Swedish riders would actually demand a higher pay meaning that more teams would suffer economically. also i have an addition to Iris' post and that is that using a quota to get riders into the highest league wont make them better riders compared to those who have gone the long way from 50/80cc via div1 & Allsvenskan to Elitserien. And what about Poland? They seems to have allot of young talents but still very few of them seems to make it to the top? Edited July 11, 2010 by Ghostwalker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sprog1 Posted July 11, 2010 Report Share Posted July 11, 2010 It will never change so long as a guaranteed two places in the series exists. I tend to agree with that. Every serious speedway fan I have spoken to would rather see the sixteen best riders in the competition, irrespective of where they come from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben91 Posted July 11, 2010 Report Share Posted July 11, 2010 I tend to agree with that. Every serious speedway fan I have spoken to would rather see the sixteen best riders in the competition, irrespective of where they come from. Very true, there would still be a home rider to support at Cardiff in the form of the wildcard too. Whilst the two British spots are not officially guarenteed, we clearly get two spots a year just for the purposes of Cardiff and Sky TV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladyluck Posted July 11, 2010 Report Share Posted July 11, 2010 Very true, there would still be a home rider to support at Cardiff in the form of the wildcard too. Whilst the two British spots are not officially guarenteed, we clearly get two spots a year just for the purposes of Cardiff and Sky TV. It does British riders no favours. Look at the example of Scott Nicholls. A few years ago he showed genuine promise, but he lost his way and yet survived in the GPs season after season. Perhaps if he'd been dropped around 2005 or 2006 it would've put him back on the right track? Being omitted from the GPs certainly didn't do Hans Andersen's career any harm in 2006 and nor has being shown the door done Jaroslaw Haampel much harm. Harris appears to have gone the same way as Nicholls. It might also do serial-drifter Andreas Jonsson a bit of good and his compatriot Fredrik Lindgren (who, like Harris, has never even qualified for the GPs). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garry1603 Posted July 13, 2010 Report Share Posted July 13, 2010 Can't see things improving until there are more British riders in the EL. Tai might move on to the next level but there is no certainty about that. It's becoming a major success if a Brit gets to a semi final unfortunately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mateusz Posted July 15, 2010 Report Share Posted July 15, 2010 Tai might move on to the next level but there is no certainty about that. http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&sl=pl&tl=en&u=http://www.sportowefakty.pl/zuzel/2010/07/15/bartlomiej-czekanski-bez-hamulcow-jezdza-w-polsce-baluja-w-m/&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&twu=1&usg=ALkJrhgmBwVfxp_rbLRtQYuZ1E0FR-rdAw Interesting article about Holder, Ward and Woffinden's party lifestyle in Poland ... (FYI - unlike their performances in the British leagues, all 3 of them have been utterly rubbish in the Polish Ekstraliga this yr - their current league averages, respectively: 26th, 52nd and 46th). This google translation above is rather rubbish too but you can get the general point. I found the bit about Woffinden's behaviour before/after the matches (quoted from Czestochowa fans' open letter in this article) the most interesting ... Showing such attitude I guess that he and Ward will rather finish in some rehab than anywhere high in SGP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted July 15, 2010 Report Share Posted July 15, 2010 (edited) It will never change so long as a guaranteed two places in the series exists. It will be interesting to see if Emil manages to make the top 8 upon his return from injury. If he doesn't, that will be one of the wildcard picks gone as he is a must for 2011. If no Brit qualifies from the GP challenge or finishes in the top 8 then do you think the organisers will hand out the two remaining wildcard picks to GB riders ? I'd like to think that they'll drop it to one next season as let's be honest that's probably one more than is deserved anyway. Also, in the current standings it's Nicki and AJ that occupy 8th and 9th, I'd have them both in the series every day of the week, but as things stand one will need a wildcard. Interesting times ahead - let's see how this one pans out after the GP challenge is out the way and the SGP 2010 comes to a conclusion. Rico Edited July 15, 2010 by Rico Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladyluck Posted July 15, 2010 Report Share Posted July 15, 2010 Also, in the current standings it's Nicki and AJ that occupy 8th and 9th, I'd have them both in the series every day of the week, but as things stand one will need a wildcard. Interesting times ahead - let's see how this one pans out after the GP challenge is out the way and the SGP 2010 comes to a conclusion. Rico Jonsson's career appears to be stalled and he's one of the guys who seems to hold the qualifying tournament in contempt. Okay, he's won a few GPs, but he's never really been a contender. I think the highest he got was fifth. It might not harm his career to spend a season pondering on his failures. Interesting times indeed, but they've always found a way. You mention Sayfutdinov, but he is a given for 2011, the interesting one outside the top eight is Hancock. Adams saved BSI a tricky situation when he voluntarily stepped down, if Hancock wants to carry on it would surely be difficult for BSI not to nominate him. Apart from anything else, he keeps the stars and stripes flying at the highest level of the sport. If no British rider makes it through via Vojens, imagine the furore another Harris nomination ahead of a multi-GP-winning ex-world champion would bring? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted July 15, 2010 Report Share Posted July 15, 2010 I think Hancock hasn't shown a lot this season and is perhaps on the wind down in the GPs. I think they'll find it hard to justify asking him back if he continues in his current form in the GPs, regardless of past glories. Rico Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladyluck Posted July 15, 2010 Report Share Posted July 15, 2010 I think Hancock hasn't shown a lot this season and is perhaps on the wind down in the GPs. I think they'll find it hard to justify asking him back if he continues in his current form in the GPs, regardless of past glories. Rico They kept asking Nicholls back and Harris completed last season fourteenth out of fifteen, showing very little, other than a last race win in Bydgoszcz (having finished stone last in his other four) yet he was asked back. Hancock also keeps the stars and stripes flying in the GPs. I think they might be loathe to lose their American presence. BSI's parent company is, after all, the American IMG. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted July 16, 2010 Report Share Posted July 16, 2010 They kept asking Nicholls back and Harris completed last season fourteenth out of fifteen, showing very little, other than a last race win in Bydgoszcz (having finished stone last in his other four) yet he was asked back. Hancock also keeps the stars and stripes flying in the GPs. I think they might be loathe to lose their American presence. BSI's parent company is, after all, the American IMG. I think Harris was on his last chance this year (as he has never qualified for the series, which at least Nicholls did twice I think) but winning the British Championship may save him again if he fails to get through the qualifiers. It's all about becoming world champion and there are plenty in there who have had so many chances - if Gollob doesn't win this year with three GPs in Poland then he never will either. Don't forget Poland's last world champion was in the early 1970s so Britian hasn't done that bad! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattK Posted July 16, 2010 Report Share Posted July 16, 2010 http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&sl=pl&tl=en&u=http://www.sportowefakty.pl/zuzel/2010/07/15/bartlomiej-czekanski-bez-hamulcow-jezdza-w-polsce-baluja-w-m/&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&twu=1&usg=ALkJrhgmBwVfxp_rbLRtQYuZ1E0FR-rdAw Who is "the slag"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mateusz Posted July 16, 2010 Report Share Posted July 16, 2010 Who is "the slag"? "the slag" = speedway in this goodle translation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladyluck Posted July 16, 2010 Report Share Posted July 16, 2010 It's all about becoming world champion and there are plenty in there who have had so many chances - if Gollob doesn't win this year with three GPs in Poland then he never will either. Don't forget Poland's last world champion was in the early 1970s so Britian hasn't done that bad! Poland's only world champion, to date, although that looks like changing this year. Big question is Gollob or Hampel? You really have to give Gollob a lot of credit. It isn't so long ago that he was being written off in some quarters. Yet in the last three seasons he has enjoyed a remarkable renaissance, winning in the most unexpected of places, such as Malilla, Copenhagen and Terenzano. He even made a decent fist of Cardiff this season. Gollob has also won something like eighteen GPs, while Britain has managed a combined total of four (to put this abject performance into its proper context, Tony Rickardsson once won six in a season). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattK Posted July 16, 2010 Report Share Posted July 16, 2010 "the slag" = speedway in this goodle translation And what does "drogi" mean - as in "Drogi Bartku!"? I hear the commentators say that a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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