Gornal_Heathen Posted June 25, 2010 Report Share Posted June 25, 2010 Has anyone bothered to check the averages to make sure this team change is legal. I have and Tom perrys average has strangely stayed on a 3 when he quite clearly should have had an average near seven on june 7th makeing the team change ile gal The signing is leagal.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
771neil Posted June 25, 2010 Report Share Posted June 25, 2010 Was it bad call for him to leave scunny and sign for Coventry? Can t not really coment on this as there is info that only james and his team know about, I know that you ll say he wouldn t have been sacked if he was at scunny this year and probably right but riders sometimes just have to make a choice. But hey I m just glad that for once you, june, lucas and scribbler are singing from same sheet as me lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
June Posted June 25, 2010 Report Share Posted June 25, 2010 Iv'e always sung from the same sheet. always love watching the youngsters. they give something that the experienced riders don't....think its their excitement when they win! plus its great to see week on week improvement. As with Tai,look at him now in the GPs. seen some nasty accidents too but all part of their learning curve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21st century heathen Posted June 25, 2010 Report Share Posted June 25, 2010 Has anyone bothered to check the averages to make sure this team change is legal. I have and Tom perrys average has strangely stayed on a 3 when he quite clearly should have had an average near seven on june 7th makeing the team change ile gal There's nothing strange about it at all. 'Fred' missed a meeting early on because he had a prior commitment in a grasstrack meeting. He had only completed 5 meetings rather than 6 at the cut-off for June averages. Therefore, he stays on 3.00 and remains at reserve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allitt Racing Posted June 25, 2010 Report Share Posted June 25, 2010 Are you sure that is the case most other NL clubs send averages in when a rider completes 6 matches why have Dudley not done so? In my opinion if a club is going to make a change that will increase the overall averages of that club then a rider who has completed the minimum amount of matches (6) should be taken into account. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21st century heathen Posted June 25, 2010 Report Share Posted June 25, 2010 'Fred' had only done 5 when the club had done 6 because he missed a meeting. Therefore, he remains on his start average. Those that had completed 6 got a new average. I am sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted June 25, 2010 Report Share Posted June 25, 2010 There really is some nonsense being spoken here. It's mere semantics, all this National Development League talk. The third division is NOT called the NDL it's called the NL. Sure the spurious word 'Development' IS in the Rule Book but I recall that last year more than one Club Chairman commenting that there had been NO discussion about using this word 'Development' when the name change and re-styling from CL to National League was discussed. No published League table or fixture or on the SGB/BSPA website calls it the NDL. You can argue 'til you're blue in the face that it's called the NDL based on this one (quite possibly incorrect...) reference to the expression in the Rule book; but to do so is to argue mere semantics; and it doesn't mean that it is called the NDL, coz it ain't!!! And it is important (and in the past Malcolm would've agreed with this...), as the NL is a PROPER third division...: not a 'reserve' league, not a 'development' league: a fully-fledged third division is what it is...! TBH, only those with an agenda which hinges on attacking certain aspects of the NL make this daft point about it really being the NDL.. When Scunthorpe were sweeping all before them, winning the Conference League two years running did Scunny fans argue that actually this is just an unimportant division, here only for development of young riders and not to be regarded as a competition in its own right..? Of course they didn't; and I'm disappointed that some people can't think back to that and show more respect to clubs (and remember, important clubs like Mildenhall and the Isle of Wight are NL stand-alone clubs now, along with clubs who to date have only been at this level but which have always done it proud, like Buxton and Plymouth... ) giving their all at third division level. A division which to me is, without question, the most exciting, entertaining and most worthwhile to follow in British Speedway. So no more of the 'D' word please!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidba Posted June 25, 2010 Report Share Posted June 25, 2010 There really is some nonsense being spoken here. It's mere semantics, all this National Development League talk. The third division is NOT called the NDL it's called the NL. Sure the spurious word 'Development' IS in the Rule Book but I recall that last year more than one Club Chairman commenting that there had been NO discussion about using this word 'Development' when the name change and re-styling from CL to National League was discussed. No published League table or fixture or on the SGB/BSPA website calls it the NDL. You can argue 'til you're blue in the face that it's called the NDL based on this one (quite possibly incorrect...) reference to the expression in the Rule book; but to do so is to argue mere semantics; and it doesn't mean that it is called the NDL, coz it ain't!!! And it is important (and in the past Malcolm would've agreed with this...), as the NL is a PROPER third division...: not a 'reserve' league, not a 'development' league: a fully-fledged third division is what it is...! TBH, only those with an agenda which hinges on attacking certain aspects of the NL make this daft point about it really being the NDL.. When Scunthorpe were sweeping all before them, winning the Conference League two years running did Scunny fans argue that actually this is just an unimportant division, here only for development of young riders and not to be regarded as a competition in its own right..? Of course they didn't; and I'm disappointed that some people can't think back to that and show more respect to clubs (and remember, important clubs like Mildenhall and the Isle of Wight are NL stand-alone clubs now, along with clubs who to date have only been at this level but which have always done it proud, like Buxton and Plymouth... ) giving their all at third division level. A division which to me is, without question, the most exciting, entertaining and most worthwhile to follow in British Speedway. So no more of the 'D' word please!!! Any chance of you showing your love for all things NL on Tuesday at IOW?? The metal clips are removed from my back on Monday and then i'm free to move and desperate for some track action! Sunshine,sea and Scunny with added Buzz,what possible reason is there to not go!!(Oh yeah some people do that nasty work business dont they!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted June 25, 2010 Report Share Posted June 25, 2010 I believe Buzz may actually not be island-hopping in any case... And sadly, as you infer, work is going to prevent me getting to the ferry in time... Which is 'ferry annoying'...!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swift Saint Posted June 25, 2010 Report Share Posted June 25, 2010 (edited) Fred' had only done 5 when the club had done 6 because he missed a meeting. Therefore, he remains on his start average. Those that had completed 6 got a new average. I am sure I don't know why I am trying to help those who don't know the rules on here since some "Barrack Room Lawyers" say I don't even know the name of the League. However the answer to the Perry Average Saga is made clear in Rule 17.1.1.2 which clearly states: The rules for a rider not completing the Teams qualification figures are A rider who has an established CMA will wait until the next cut off date (See 17.1.1.3) and the rule goes on to describer the process at the end of the season Then it states "A rider with an assessed CMA will be issued with a CMA after completing 12 fixtures (6 in the NL) that will be effective 7 days after that 12th Fixture. I understood that Clubs were required to submit all averages in accordance with these rules direct to the co-ordinator at the appropriate times. Clearly that has not happened in this case or something has gone wrong somewhere. Perry certainly has an assessed average. But no doubt Barrack Room Lawyer Parsloes will have a view? Malcolm Vasey Edited June 25, 2010 by Proud Potter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFatDave Posted June 25, 2010 Report Share Posted June 25, 2010 My advice to you BFD is to think before you write on here and try and get something correct that would be a first it seems to me. Malcolm Vasey Well pardon me for breathing, Malcolm, I never realised you had such a high opinion on yourself. In future I'll make sure my secretary contacts your secretary before I even attempt to communicate with you. By the way, have you taken the time to learn what 'abbreviation' means yet? While you're in the dictionary (and don't borrow scribbler's; hers can't spell) maybe you ought to look up 'pompous', 'self-opinionated' and 'stuffed shirt'. You might learn something. BFD, no, Malcolm is one of the good guys All the best Rob I'll take your word for it, Rob, even though you haven't written any books lately or been to more Speedway meetings than anyone else on the planet. Geez, if Malcolm's one of the good guys I'd hate to meet a bad one! There really is some nonsense being spoken here. It's mere semantics, all this National Development League talk. The third division is NOT called the NDL it's called the NL. Sure the spurious word 'Development' IS in the Rule Book but I recall that last year more than one Club Chairman commenting that there had been NO discussion about using this word 'Development' when the name change and re-styling from CL to National League was discussed. No published League table or fixture or on the SGB/BSPA website calls it the NDL. You can argue 'til you're blue in the face that it's called the NDL based on this one (quite possibly incorrect...) reference to the expression in the Rule book; but to do so is to argue mere semantics; and it doesn't mean that it is called the NDL, coz it ain't!!! And it is important (and in the past Malcolm would've agreed with this...), as the NL is a PROPER third division...: not a 'reserve' league, not a 'development' league: a fully-fledged third division is what it is...! TBH, only those with an agenda which hinges on attacking certain aspects of the NL make this daft point about it really being the NDL.. When Scunthorpe were sweeping all before them, winning the Conference League two years running did Scunny fans argue that actually this is just an unimportant division, here only for development of young riders and not to be regarded as a competition in its own right..? Of course they didn't; and I'm disappointed that some people can't think back to that and show more respect to clubs (and remember, important clubs like Mildenhall and the Isle of Wight are NL stand-alone clubs now, along with clubs who to date have only been at this level but which have always done it proud, like Buxton and Plymouth... ) giving their all at third division level. A division which to me is, without question, the most exciting, entertaining and most worthwhile to follow in British Speedway. So no more of the 'D' word please!!! Love your work, Parsloes. Its a pity those on here who believe that the Speedway World revolves around them will dismiss your words of reason out of hand. Alas there'll be no convincing them; quite possibly their copy of the rule book is stashed away deep in some dark, underground cavern and is referred to as "My Precioussssssss". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swift Saint Posted June 25, 2010 Report Share Posted June 25, 2010 Well pardon me for breathing, Malcolm, I never realised you had such a high opinion on yourself. In future I'll make sure my secretary contacts your secretary before I even attempt to communicate with you. By the way, have you taken the time to learn what 'abbreviation' means yet? While you're in the dictionary (and don't borrow scribbler's; hers can't spell) maybe you ought to look up 'pompous', 'self-opinionated' and 'stuffed shirt'. You might learn something. Big Fat Dave I will just respond by saying I find you arrogant, misinformed, half blind to the facts, presumptuous and absurd. Respond all you like because I always ignore anything left by dogs in the gutter. Malcolm Vasey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucas7867 Posted June 25, 2010 Report Share Posted June 25, 2010 Big Fat Dave I will just respond by saying I find you arrogant, misinformed, half blind to the facts, presumptuous and absurd. Respond all you like because I always ignore anything left by dogs in the gutter. Malcolm Vasey Couldnt have said it better myself. Big Fat Dave, you come on this forum, you try and tell us what the name of our League is, you insult one of the most respected men in British speedway and you destroy any credibility you held. I will treat any further posts you enter with the contempt they deserve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFatDave Posted June 25, 2010 Report Share Posted June 25, 2010 Big Fat Dave I will just respond by saying I find you arrogant, misinformed, half blind to the facts, presumptuous and absurd. Respond all you like because I always ignore anything left by dogs in the gutter. Malcolm Vasey Don't hold back, Malcolm, spit it out. Is this just an allergic reaction to the truth on your behalf, or an inability to grasp the fact that you may be in error, just as you were in your use of the word 'abbreviation'? Oh, and don't forget to rug up, mate; I'm reliably informed it gets cold and lonely up there on the High Moral Ground. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WIE-JA Posted June 25, 2010 Report Share Posted June 25, 2010 Hmm...Who probably speaks most sense? The experienced, respected bloke who works in the league at a high level or some dingbat from the other side of the world..Well whatever. Good luck to the new bloke at Dudley. He has done nothing wrong, but I don't believe that non British passport holders should be allowed to ride in the NL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFatDave Posted June 25, 2010 Report Share Posted June 25, 2010 Couldnt have said it better myself. Big Fat Dave, you come on this forum, you try and tell us what the name of our League is, you insult one of the most respected men in British speedway and you destroy any credibility you held. I will treat any further posts you enter with the contempt they deserve. Ah. yes, the poster who's "fed up to the back teeth with Aussies". In case you hadn't noticed, I'm not the only one who disagrees with you, but I'm obviously the only person with the guts to speak up against your inflammatory racist posts. Hmm...Who probably speaks most sense? The experienced, respected bloke who works in the league at a high level or some dingbat from the other side of the world..Well whatever. Good luck to the new bloke at Dudley. He has done nothing wrong, but I don't believe that non British passport holders should be allowed to ride in the NL. G'day Cuz, what brings you on here, as if I didn't know? Ah, yes, the subtle hint of racism is enough to mobilise the legions of extreme right white supremacists; wouldn't be like you to miss out on an opportunity to hurl abuse at 'foreigners', would it? I see you've already pitched your tent in this debate: tell me, have you read the whole thread or are you just another member of the 'I'm always right' brigade who refuse to see anyone's point of view but their own, then resort to personal abuse when their argument fails? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenryW Posted June 26, 2010 Report Share Posted June 26, 2010 Having read through most (but, admittedly, not all) of the thread, I am wondering how an argument developed over whether the word "development" was an official part of the league name... Whether the league IS officially called a "development" league or not is surely irrelevant. Whether or not the league IS called a "development" league, the rules say that an Australian can race in it, so why the grumbling about an Aussie being signed? Even if it IS the NDL, the rules clearly say that an Aussie can "develop" their skills in this league as well... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekker Posted June 26, 2010 Report Share Posted June 26, 2010 And it is important (and in the past Malcolm would've agreed with this...), as the NL is a PROPER third division...: not a 'reserve' league, not a 'development' league: a fully-fledged third division is what it is...! Until it run on the same rules as other 2 then its no more than a development league with no evidence of any development going on bar track time. Having CVS plaything run the gaff doesnt really do much for it does it nor the conflicting aims its members. All thats happened naming the club Dudley as the Brummies have done is cannibalise their own support which they sorely need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
June Posted June 26, 2010 Report Share Posted June 26, 2010 There really is some nonsense being spoken here. It's mere semantics, all this National Development League talk. The third division is NOT called the NDL it's called the NL. Sure the spurious word 'Development' IS in the Rule Book but I recall that last year more than one Club Chairman commenting that there had been NO discussion about using this word 'Development' when the name change and re-styling from CL to National League was discussed. No published League table or fixture or on the SGB/BSPA website calls it the NDL. You can argue 'til you're blue in the face that it's called the NDL based on this one (quite possibly incorrect...) reference to the expression in the Rule book; but to do so is to argue mere semantics; and it doesn't mean that it is called the NDL, coz it ain't!!! And it is important (and in the past Malcolm would've agreed with this...), as the NL is a PROPER third division...: not a 'reserve' league, not a 'development' league: a fully-fledged third division is what it is...! TBH, only those with an agenda which hinges on attacking certain aspects of the NL make this daft point about it really being the NDL.. When Scunthorpe were sweeping all before them, winning the Conference League two years running did Scunny fans argue that actually this is just an unimportant division, here only for development of young riders and not to be regarded as a competition in its own right..? Of course they didn't; and I'm disappointed that some people can't think back to that and show more respect to clubs (and remember, important clubs like Mildenhall and the Isle of Wight are NL stand-alone clubs now, along with clubs who to date have only been at this level but which have always done it proud, like Buxton and Plymouth... ) giving their all at third division level. A division which to me is, without question, the most exciting, entertaining and most worthwhile to follow in British Speedway. So no more of the 'D' word please!!! I don't mind what the name is for speedways 3rd tier. May I remind you that Scunny's team for 2006/2007 was one of youngsters who did develop in the then C/L. Of course we fans respect the competion in the league ( good luck to all teams ) our team is one of youngsters again this year and it would be too bigga ask for them to win the league, but I'm sure they'll do their best. I suspect some people will consider this tier to be a development league because its where youngsters start off their careers, and stay until they make it to the 2nd tier ( premier league. ) My interest is that as a country we give as much assisstance to British youngsters as is possible ( instead of giving it to the Aussies ) look after our own. So one day we may produce a World Champion again. I'm not racist- but would like to see the 3rd tier for the brits. Foreigners in the PL and EL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neil bv Posted June 26, 2010 Report Share Posted June 26, 2010 Racism??? don't you mean Xenophobia??? there's a massive difference for the ignorant out there!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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