Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted June 25, 2010 Report Share Posted June 25, 2010 Have you considered that perhaps the website have used an abbreviation that is incorrect? It is and always has been the British National Development League ... Malcolm Vasey Hmm, not really. This title is hardly ever used and I recall you yourself saying previously that when the 'D' word appeared in the rule book it was as much as a surprise to you as anyone... It's a proper third division and it's the National League and IMHO there ain't much wrong with it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben91 Posted June 25, 2010 Report Share Posted June 25, 2010 (edited) According to the British Speedway Official Website its called the National League, Benny boy. If you're going to have a go at someone at least get it right. If its not an Anti-Aussie issue how do you explain these few examples? Oh dear, I believe if you look here which is the British Speedway Rulebook for 2010 you will find that you are a hypocrite. As for your examples, not one is of a post I have made, I can't control what other people say, can I? Edited June 25, 2010 by RocketBen1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montie Posted June 25, 2010 Report Share Posted June 25, 2010 Buxton have never paid big money out unlike a lot of other clubs. er cough Adam ALLOTT just remember you started it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFatDave Posted June 25, 2010 Report Share Posted June 25, 2010 (edited) Have you considered that perhaps the website have used an abbreviation that is incorrect? It is and always has been the British National Development League and I think that what is now assured is that there will be very much strict rules in future about these issues thank goodness. There may also be penalties for Clubs who use riders from overseas for short periods who then clear off never having intended to complete the season and thus distorting the integrity of the League. Malcolm Vasey Here's a quick one for you. Malcolm. Google up 'British National Development League' and see what you get. Have you considered that you may not be right? The British Speedway Promoters Asociation calls it the National League; I didn't see any disclaimer on the site that says "we may have used an abbreviation that isn't correct": I think you're making it up as you go along. As you of all people should know, an abbreviation (from Latin brevis, meaning short) is a shortened form of a word or phrase, ergo an abbreviation of National League would be 'NL'. Google up 'BNDL' and see what you get, as well. Let me know how you get on. Oh, by the way, are you one of the so-called 'Promoters' that are trying to stamp out Buxton? YUP!! 17.4.7 National Development League ps. National (in my Collins Concise...) = belongining or pertaining to a nation Development = improvement, progress, grow to maturere state If that's how your Collins Concise spells 'belonging' and 'mature' I'd get another one if I were you, scribbler. Edited June 25, 2010 by BigFatDave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribbler Posted June 25, 2010 Report Share Posted June 25, 2010 Oh dear, I believe if you look here which is the British Speedway Rulebook for 2010 you will find that you are a hypocrite. YUP!! 17.4.7 National Development League ps. National (in my Collins Concise...) = belongining or pertaining to a nation Development = improvement, progress, grow to maturere state Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFatDave Posted June 25, 2010 Report Share Posted June 25, 2010 Oh dear, I believe if you look here which is the British Speedway Rulebook for 2010 you will find that you are a hypocrite. As for your examples, not one is of a post I have made, I can't control what other people say, can I? Benny boy, you don't even know what the word 'Hypocrite' means, do you? However if your idea of debate is to attack the poster not the post then I don't reckon you belong on here. You say this is not an anti-Aussie issue: I've provided three examples of anti-Aussie postings. If you can't accept that then its pretty obvious who the hypocrite is, wouldn't you agree? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben91 Posted June 25, 2010 Report Share Posted June 25, 2010 Benny boy, you don't even know what the word 'Hypocrite' means, do you? However if your idea of debate is to attack the poster not the post then I don't reckon you belong on here. You say this is not an anti-Aussie issue: I've provided three examples of anti-Aussie postings. If you can't accept that then its pretty obvious who the hypocrite is, wouldn't you agree? Attack the post not the poster, I've not attacked you once, I have proven your point is wrong, thus you are being hypocritical, something I have correctly stated. You are also now being patronising as i'm sure calling me 'Benny boy' is in reference to my age, something which does not invalidate my opinion, or allow you to speak to me in such a tone. Yes you have provided three examples, however they were not posted by me and are not my opinion, I am not 'anti-aussie' and I have stated that beforehand, I have proven to you that the league is called the National Development League and there is no denying that fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFatDave Posted June 25, 2010 Report Share Posted June 25, 2010 Attack the post not the poster, I've not attacked you once, I have proven your point is wrong, thus you are being hypocritical, something I have correctly stated. You are also now being patronising as i'm sure calling me 'Benny boy' is in reference to my age, something which does not invalidate my opinion, or allow you to speak to me in such a tone. Yes you have provided three examples, however they were not posted by me and are not my opinion, I am not 'anti-aussie' and I have stated that beforehand, I have proven to you that the league is called the National Development League and there is no denying that fact. Mate, you've dug through the archives and found an obscure PDF file; well-hidden in that is chapter 17 sub section 7 paragraph whatever, which you cite as proof positive - all I've done is used half-a-dozen international search engines which couldn't find it - for all I know you might have hidden it yourself. There's no mention of it on the BSPA Website, either, and the BSPA, which calls the National League the National League, is good enough for me. You're persisting in calling me a Hypocrite - that's attacking the poster in my book, more so because you obviously don't know the meaning of the word. I call you 'Benny Boy' in a deliberate reference to Benny the Ball, a cartoon character in Top Cat, because I reckon you could do with some lightening-up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben91 Posted June 25, 2010 Report Share Posted June 25, 2010 Mate, you've dug through the archives and found an obscure PDF file; well-hidden in that is chapter 17 sub section 7 paragraph whatever, which you cite as proof positive - all I've done is used half-a-dozen international search engines which couldn't find it - for all I know you might have hidden it yourself. There's no mention of it on the BSPA Website, either, and the BSPA, which calls the National League the National League, is good enough for me. You're persisting in calling me a Hypocrite - that's attacking the poster in my book, more so because you obviously don't know the meaning of the word. I call you 'Benny Boy' in a deliberate reference to Benny the Ball, a cartoon character in Top Cat, because I reckon you could do with some lightening-up. This obscure document is the official rulebook for British Speedway in 2010... Unbelieveable . I have stated in one post that you were being hypocritical, backed up by evidence, that is not personal abuse in my book but reasoned argument. As for lightening up, I don't need any, however I take umbridge to somebody telling me that I have an 'anti-aussie' attitude due to what other people have said! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribbler Posted June 25, 2010 Report Share Posted June 25, 2010 Mate, you've dug through the archives and found an obscure PDF file; well-hidden in that is chapter 17 sub section 7 paragraph whatever, which you cite as proof positive - all I've done is used half-a-dozen international search engines That 'obsure pdf' happens to be the 2010 Rulebook - can't get more up-to-date than that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
June Posted June 25, 2010 Report Share Posted June 25, 2010 bfd........one of your selected examples is mine......if that means I am anti Aussie, so be it, but I would say to you that its only in our National Development League......I, like most speedway fans enjoy Aussie lads amongst our riders, but not in the only league where our OWN youngsters can progress.......You have your own developement system in Australia for your youngsters, and a good one it appears to be. Talking from my own point of view I want to see our kids get the chance to persue their chosen sport and a chance to become part of Team GB. As a paying supporter of both N/L and P/L I think I have a right to an opinion. I fear for our belovered sport..... british kids find it too hard to fight the system that exists. They have a go and too often give up. The only way for us supporters to get opinions across is by posting them on forums so promoters can read them.......Just to let you know I am not against the Aussies. At Cardiff for the past couple of years Ive shouted and blasted an air horn for Jason Crump, as well as the british lads! and I will this year too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swift Saint Posted June 25, 2010 Report Share Posted June 25, 2010 (edited) Oh, by the way, are you one of the so-called 'Promoters' that are trying to stamp out Buxton? Well in the first place I am not currently a Promoter I am the Team Manager of Stoke and have no official say on such an issue. I am insulted by your stupid remark because anyone who has the slightest knowledge about me would know that I have been involved with the now National Development League since 1994 with three Clubs, a Promoter from 2000-2007 (incl) at Boston and I would do nothing deliberately to harm any team in the League which I believe is essential if this country is ever to become a real speedway power again. Incidenatlly, a view held I presume by all the Australians who come here thinking that they can develop best in that way. Buxton is an outstanding example to many and I have total admiration for that Club. I sympathise with their position because it happened to me three times but I do believe that the rules have to be followed although I did attempt to change the rule that they have fallen foul of. I have also now written seven books about this level of speedway and your comments are to me hardly worthy of a reply it seems being born out of ignorance. I would also state that it is my view that I have seen more speedway at this level than anyone else on the planet (I would say 1200 meetings) and I would want every Club in the League to survive and be joined by many more. Why don't you Australians open your own Club and join just for Aussies I would not mind that. But that would need people like you to put your hands in your pockets and stand the inevitable losses and I don't suppose you would wish to do that. My advice to you BFD is to think before you write on here and try and get something correct that would be a first it seems to me. Malcolm Vasey Edited June 25, 2010 by Proud Potter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFatDave Posted June 25, 2010 Report Share Posted June 25, 2010 Well in the first place I am not currently a Promoter I am the Team Manager of Stoke and have no official say on such an issue. I am insulted by your stupid remark because anyone who has the slightest knowledge about me would know that I have been involved with the now National Development League since 1994 with three Clubs, a Promoter from 2000-2007 (incl) at Boston and I would do nothing deliberately to harm any team in the League which I believe is essential if this country is ever to become a real speedway power again. Incidenatlly, a view held I presume by all the Australians who come here thinking that they can develop best in that way. Buxton is an outstanding example to many and I have total admiration for that Club. I sympathise with their position because it happened to me three times but I do believe that the rules have to be followed although I did attempt to change the rule that they have fallen foul of. I have also now written seven books about this level of speedway and your comments are to me hardly worthy of a reply it seems being born out of ignorance. I would also state that it is my view that I have seen more speedway at this level than anyone else on the planet (I would say 1200 meetings) and I would want every Club in the League to survive and be joined by many more. Why don't you Australians open your own Club and join just for Aussies I would not mind that. But that would need people like you to put your hands in your pockets and stand the inevitable losses and I don't suppose you would wish to do that. My advice to you BFD is to think before you write on here and try and get something correct that would be a first it seems to me. Malcolm Vasey Footy's on, Malcolm, I'll talk to you later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
771neil Posted June 25, 2010 Report Share Posted June 25, 2010 I think alot of people are getting of topic its not really the fact its dudley or sarj or even about micky what gets people goat is that this league and only this league should be for brit and brits that will fly our flag if they make it to gp or swc. BWD you say I m anti aussie but I m not I get along with lots of them and they help my boy no end (which I m grateful for ) but you don t see what I see and thats promoters bending over backward to help these lad and the lad use whats offered which they should I would. I had a long chat with a aussie thats come over this year and he said he was surpised at what he was given before they even seen him ride. ps don t care what the leagues called Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21st century heathen Posted June 25, 2010 Report Share Posted June 25, 2010 Wow, i am really surprised with some of the Heathens fans response to this. Some of you forget, James is only sixteen and in his second season of speedway, he needs to be given time to build up his confidence and riding ability, but the promotion have obviously not took note of this and sacked a young rider at a time. Who know what will happen with James, but i really hope he carries on. And the excuse of blaming the rules?, get off it!!!, the BSPA didn't force you to make the change, it was your own promotions decision. But how can you expect him to up his performance, when he is getting sacked by his club. If the Heathens we're not willing to give James the time he needed, to develop into a better rider and get vital track time, then they shouldn't have in the first place, they should have let another club take him on board that would have given him this. That's a bit rich coming from a Sheffield fan. I seem to recall its fans calling for heads to roll when some riders were under-performing not so long ago. The bottom line is, irrespective of nationality, that James has dropped more than a point off his average. He's had half a season not just a couple of meetings. As I said previously, the stats don't lie. He's failed to score in half his races and has failed to win a heat. Our team was under the points limit at the start of the year. Ben Taylor's replacement Jon Armstrong (two Brits BTW ) has not scored as heavily as most expected Ben to this season (Ben should have been well over 8, perhaps about 9, while Jon is just over 7) so we've lost out at the top end there. Ashley Morris has struggled to find consistency at number 2 and his average has dropped to just over 3 so we've lost out in the middle order too. With a weaker link than hoped for in all three main areas of the team something needed to be done if we were to remain competitive in the second half of the season. With the dip in average from some riders we can fit a 6-pointer in at 2 and let Ash regain his confidence at reserve. He's got the ability to score well, we've seen it from time-to-time. Hopefully and easier first ride will get him off to a flyer and settle him down for the rest of the meeting. We still have 6 out of 8 Brits in the team, Ando coming in was forced on us due to injury problems at the start of the year so this is the only change due to form. I asked earlier and I'll ask again, as I'm not as familiar with this level of racing as EL/PL, are there even any 6-point Brits available? Have you considered that perhaps the website have used an abbreviation that is incorrect? It is and always has been the British National Development League... With due respect do you not think the official website ought to get it right? It's hardly surprising that some see the sport as 'mickey mouse' when you think about it. The website, in the 21st century, will be the first port of call for official information about the sport to many/most (certainly new-comers I would think). To think it can't get the name of its leagues correct is shocking. I can't imagine any visitors to the site thinking they ought to search for the rule book to check the name of the leagues are correct. Also, admittedly at a glance rather than studying it, the rule book refers to the league as the 'National Development League'. 'British' does not appear in the title. Perhaps the intention was for the league to develop English talent. Ban the Scots I say!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montie Posted June 25, 2010 Report Share Posted June 25, 2010 I think alot of people are getting of topic its not really the fact its dudley or sarj or even about micky what gets people goat is that this league and only this league should be for brit and brits that will fly our flag if they make it to gp or swc. BWD you say I m anti aussie but I m not I get along with lots of them and they help my boy no end (which I m grateful for ) but you don t see what I see and thats promoters bending over backward to help these lad and the lad use whats offered which they should I would. I had a long chat with a aussie thats come over this year and he said he was surpised at what he was given before they even seen him ride. ps don t care what the leagues called Was it bad call for him to leave scunny and sign for Coventry? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montie Posted June 25, 2010 Report Share Posted June 25, 2010 Has anyone bothered to check the averages to make sure this team change is legal. I have and Tom perrys average has strangely stayed on a 3 when he quite clearly should have had an average near seven on june 7th makeing the team change ile gal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikko Posted June 25, 2010 Report Share Posted June 25, 2010 Over the last couple of seasons there have been hundreds if not thousands of posts about the problem with the "third tier" of british speedway and the only consistant message is that there is a problem with this tier. In my opinion they can be summarised as: 1) The BSPA dont really seem to care about this tier. The organisation of it from Rugby is poor at best. The name is only one example of many. 2) There are standalone teams and "2nd teams" who want, and need different things. 3) Until we run regular 80cc and 125cc practices for the kids you wont get the number coming through you need. 4) There are pockets of people who work amazingly hard behind the scenes to try and help but it needs co-ordinating. Last year during a very heated depate about this topic on this forum, Im sure Malcolm will remember it, I offered to faciliate a meeting in Rugby with the third tier chairman and the BSPA to try and help (its my job and was prepared to put the time in free of charge to try and help). I also emailed the BSPA directly with the same offer. The response was deathly silence, I therefore put the same offer on the table today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayne Posted June 25, 2010 Report Share Posted June 25, 2010 (edited) Over the last couple of seasons there have been hundreds if not thousands of posts about the problem with the "third tier" of british speedway and the only consistant message is that there is a problem with this tier. In my opinion they can be summarised as: 1) The BSPA dont really seem to care about this tier. The organisation of it from Rugby is poor at best. The name is only one example of many. 2) There are standalone teams and "2nd teams" who want, and need different things. 3) Until we run regular 80cc and 125cc practices for the kids you wont get the number coming through you need. 4) There are pockets of people who work amazingly hard behind the scenes to try and help but it needs co-ordinating. Last year during a very heated depate about this topic on this forum, Im sure Malcolm will remember it, I offered to faciliate a meeting in Rugby with the third tier chairman and the BSPA to try and help (its my job and was prepared to put the time in free of charge to try and help). I also emailed the BSPA directly with the same offer. The response was deathly silence, I therefore put the same offer on the table today. Nikko you can offer all the help in the world but until you can get most of the promoters in the NL to see the bigger picture and not stick to their own agenda you are fighting a losing battle. Where are all these riders who want to improve? Buxton is a purpose built venue and has no restrictions on usage but we get little or no interest in practice facilities. Edited June 25, 2010 by Jayne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted June 25, 2010 Report Share Posted June 25, 2010 Oh, by the way, are you one of the so-called 'Promoters' that are trying to stamp out Buxton? BFD, no, Malcolm is one of the good guys All the best Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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