Authorised Posted July 28, 2010 Report Share Posted July 28, 2010 The reason we did better this year is that Lyon pick his best side rather last years load of rubbish . Top Post. Poor selections cost Rob Lyon dear last year, luckily he was given another chance to select his best riders. For the record, Nicholls wasn't selected last year and some mug who I chose to ignore on here claims he was out of form. Compared to himself? Yes. Compared to his alternative selections - Kennett, King, Woffinden, Bridger? NO! Check the averages from July 13th 2009! Still I congratulate Rob Lyon for turning it around (like I have done in my previous two posts). Shame that those Rob Lyon tinted glasses cannot see he remains less than perfect by analysing ONE meeting in isolation. Good analysis and critical assessment from the Lyon lovers.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted July 28, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 28, 2010 Credit to the British team for beating their opponents, but their opponents were uniformly weak. Yet many people still had the Aussies down as favourites and were berating the choice of track People can't have it both ways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted July 28, 2010 Report Share Posted July 28, 2010 Top Post. Poor selections cost Rob Lyon dear last year, luckily he was given another chance to select his best riders. For the record, Nicholls wasn't selected last year and some mug who I chose to ignore on here claims he was out of form. Compared to himself? Yes. Compared to his alternative selections - Kennett, King, Woffinden, Bridger? NO! Check the averages from July 13th 2009! Still I congratulate Rob Lyon for turning it around (like I have done in my previous two posts). Shame that those Rob Lyon tinted glasses cannot see he remains less than perfect by analysing ONE meeting in isolation. Good analysis and critical assessment from the Lyon lovers.. I have been a critic of Rob Lyon from the outset and remain highly sceptical. I don't think he has done anything different to what any supporter would have done in picking this years team. I think he should have gone the same way as Jim Lynch last year after making an appalling team selection. An off form Nicholls was better than the guys he chose to include. I knew that, we all knew that. But Lyon didn't for some unfathomable reason. However he is still the manager of Team GB and I want success for Team GB, so I don't want him to fail. I want to see Team GB on the podium on Saturday night. If that can be acheived at least it will show there is some bulldog spirit in the camp, even if we all know it is far from harmonious amongst the riders themselves. Come 4th and his job should be under scrutiny. Third and it's safe. Second and a very well done, first and I will personally go and find him and apologise to his face for doubting and underestimating his ability for the job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladyluck Posted July 28, 2010 Report Share Posted July 28, 2010 Yet many people still had the Aussies down as favourites and were berating the choice of track People can't have it both ways. I thought the Australians would win, but they didn't. They didn't ride well and got exactly what they deserved out of the meeting. I certainly did not question the choice of track, remembering all to well Coventry 2008 and the so-called "track specialists" team of Lynch. In view of the previous, I don't believe I'm seeking to have it both ways. The King's Lynn round was weak, containing only two GP-winners in Harris and Holder, whereas the Gorzow round contained maybe five. In all honesty, there only looks to be one really strong team in this year's SWC and that is Poland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladyluck Posted July 28, 2010 Report Share Posted July 28, 2010 Come 4th and his job should be under scrutiny. Third and it's safe. Second and a very well done, first and I will personally go and find him and apologise to his face for doubting and underestimating his ability for the job. Yet fourth under Middlo was okay and nothing to do with Middlo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted July 28, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 28, 2010 An off form Nicholls was better than the guys he chose to include. I knew that, we all knew that. But Lyon didn't for some unfathomable reason. Not unfathomable at all, the youngsters were picked for the good of the future. A plan which going by the averages of Kennett, Bridger and to a lesser extent King appears to have failed badly. I certainly did not question the choice of track, remembering all to well Coventry 2008 and the so-called "track specialists" team of Lynch. In view of the previous, I don't believe I'm seeking to have it both ways. Wasn't aiming it at you particularly ladyluck, apologies. Yet fourth under Middlo was okay and nothing to do with Middlo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulco Posted July 28, 2010 Report Share Posted July 28, 2010 Not unfathomable at all, the youngsters were picked for the good of the future. A plan which going by the averages of Kennett, Bridger and to a lesser extent King appears to have failed badly. Spot on . Hardly Lyon's fault that the form of Britain's bright young things has went back the way alarmingly this season . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Team Man Posted July 28, 2010 Report Share Posted July 28, 2010 Do you ? not in this format you don't ...from what i could see on monday is that Harris and Nicholls still never looked liked they were getting on .....ive seen more gel on Kojak head . The reason we did better this year is that Lyon pick his best side rather last years load of rubbish . I do actualy, but as you say not in that format. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Young51 Posted July 28, 2010 Report Share Posted July 28, 2010 (edited) You're right Colin and everyone else I apologise for bringing this to the forum ..... I'll save it for my visit to Coventry It's ok Shaz it made Dallas,DieNasty,Corrie etc look like a women's institute outing to the Cotswalds Will you be wearing the Sky Helmetcam for your visit to Coventry? Would love to see you "winding it all on" to quote Nigel Pearson p.s anybody who did genuinely cheer when Rory Sclein fell off needs a boot right up their hard drive,no matter whether it's a crucial point in the meeting or whatever..frickin' sickos-some of the people on this forum who have tried to qualify their cheering of a crash just shows them up for what they are....... <removed, more personal abuse and trolling> Apologies for my alleged profanities,but the cheering of fallen riders really gets to me Edited July 29, 2010 by Young51 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted July 28, 2010 Report Share Posted July 28, 2010 You're right Colin and everyone else I apologise for bringing this to the forum ..... I'll save it for my visit to Coventry Shazzy, just tell us the date and you'll double the Cov crowd. It'll be more interesting than the track action. All the best Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5426jaycee Posted July 28, 2010 Report Share Posted July 28, 2010 Comparing this season to last doesn't really work. This season's Australian team were without their top two riders, while last season the Poles were also kicking around, not a weak Swedish side. Credit to the British team for beating their opponents, but their opponents were uniformly weak. Add Crump and Adams to the Australian side, together with the Polish team that trounced everyone on Sunday and you get a very different story. This is not the time to be papering over the cracks and pretending everything is suddenly right with the speedway world, lest Saturday brings an awful encounter with reality. Remember how everyone exalted at Britain's Coventry showing in 2007? A Nicholls maximum and Harris not far behind him? Where did that lead to at Leszno? Sorry, have to butt in here : the Aussie team on the night were the best available. As much as I like and support Crumpie and Adams, it is really time that the younger riders have a turn, or you find that you will be in the same position as other sports: a bloody big hole in the team selection for several years and a huge drop in the teams ratings. The Aussie team did pretty well, I thought. It was just that on the night, the Brits were better - but can that form be guaranteed on Saturday?? Let's face it, how many times have you seen Nicholls fall flat on his face (sometimes literally) when he has needed to go well??? I reckon that tomorrow night they will have regrouped and may well surprise you. Don't write them off yet. And for those that may think I am a "turncoat " for not supporting the Brits, can I just say that Australia used to be my home for a while, my son has the heritage that his great uncle was one of the first riders to come over with Hoskins and my late father in law used to run a track in Victoria. So if that does not qualify me to support the Aussies...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandie Posted July 28, 2010 Report Share Posted July 28, 2010 Blimey - not been on here since last night and its exploded. I made a promise that I wont get involved on the forum about this incident so I wont. But can I PLEASE ask both groups to call it a day, draw a line under this incident and move on. I know that, that is was Mrs Schlein would like to happen. PLEASE Maybe, if people have finished discussing the actual meeting it could be closed (to save those alcohol driven re-buttles) and we move forward to the race off and final. GO TEAM GB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Authorised Posted July 28, 2010 Report Share Posted July 28, 2010 Not unfathomable at all, the youngsters were picked for the good of the future. A plan which going by the averages of Kennett, Bridger and to a lesser extent King appears to have failed badly. Here is the situation though....Nicholls had a higher average than Kennett, Bridger and King in July 2009. What has changed? Rob Lyon´s selection policy. He wants more experience this year. I could have told him that last year, and we would have been in the final. I agree with Steve's post. I want Team GB to win, and Rob Lyon to collect his plaudits, but PLEASE, not after one meeting with the caveats that others have observed here (weakened Aus, Swe and home track). The riders were the most important aspect of the meeting on Monday and deserve the honours. Yes, Lyon picked them, but has only just got round to picking Nicholls. It ain´t hard is it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehone Posted July 28, 2010 Report Share Posted July 28, 2010 my pictures from the practise HERE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFatDave Posted July 28, 2010 Report Share Posted July 28, 2010 Unfortunately, fans do cheer when riders fall...fans get passionate about the racing and want their team to win...It doesn't mean you hope the rider is hurt in any way....it also doesn't mean I condone it, I DONT! But it happens all the time at every race track....its part of speedway...it always has been and always will unfortunately.... I beg to differ, mate. I've never seen or heard it happen at any track I've attended Down Under, and I trust I never will. Maybe its because we mainly have individual meetings, I don't know, although I don't recall it from the old Tests and Allstars series either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Star Posted July 29, 2010 Report Share Posted July 29, 2010 I beg to differ, mate. I've never seen or heard it happen at any track I've attended Down Under, and I trust I never will. Maybe its because we mainly have individual meetings, I don't know, although I don't recall it from the old Tests and Allstars series either. Well I'm very pleased to hear that BigFatDave...a pity the mentality of some supporters at the tracks I've attended isn't the same as the Aussies. I'm not saying it happens at every meeting, but usually when the score is close and points are crucial....an opposing rider falls and certain supporters will cheer I'm afraid. I hate it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midnight_Lady Posted July 29, 2010 Report Share Posted July 29, 2010 I'd love to know where these people usually watch their speedway!!... I'm on the edge of my seat here There are just some people that nothing is good enough for them Shadders. That PL rider in the Swedish team who rides KL weekly really put the woolies up the other guys didn't he? There was no Swedish PL rider at the SWC. See you don't know everything Mr Know it all ...NOT. Anyway to the meeting itself. King's Lynn did themselves and the SWC proud. The presentation was good, the music was brilliant, the viewing excellent, the facilities good, the track produced some brilliant racing and last but not least the crowd produced an awesome atmosphere and I lost my voice shouting on TEAM GB Well done to all concerned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I HATE THE RAIN Posted July 29, 2010 Report Share Posted July 29, 2010 King's Lynn did themselves and the SWC proud. The presentation was good, the music was brilliant, the viewing excellent, the facilities good, the track produced some brilliant racing and last but not least the crowd produced an awesome atmosphere and I lost my voice shouting on TEAM GB Well done to all concerned. Totally agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted July 30, 2010 Report Share Posted July 30, 2010 I'm not saying it happens at every meeting, but usually when the score is close and points are crucial....an opposing rider falls and certain supporters will cheer I'm afraid. I hate it! Everyone is getting carried away surely, if you're following a race closely and an opposition rider is close to beating your home rider and then he makes a mistake and falls it's just natural to give a bit of a cheer, it doesn't mean you are hoping he's hurt himself it's because your home team have the advantage/the opposition has failed in their attempt to beat your home rider. Simply as that in my mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonB Posted July 30, 2010 Report Share Posted July 30, 2010 Everyone is getting carried away surely, if you're following a race closely and an opposition rider is close to beating your home rider and then he makes a mistake and falls it's just natural to give a bit of a cheer, it doesn't mean you are hoping he's hurt himself it's because your home team have the advantage/the opposition has failed in their attempt to beat your home rider. Simply as that in my mind. Totally agree with this, its almost a natural reaction to initially cheer the advantage to your team, even as you obviously hope no one gets hurt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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