lucifer sam Posted June 24, 2010 Report Share Posted June 24, 2010 (edited) That isn't fair though, because the teams in the group of 4 have to ride in 3 races to qualify for the Semi Finals and then the teams in the Group of 3 only have to ride 2 races - How's that fair? In the 1988 British Open, there was two groups of four and one of three. The team from the group of three (Oxford) won the competition. So that blows your theory out of the water, sunshine. But how about this one then? 14 teams each (not grouped together) get 3 rides each - 21 races. Top four through to the semis. Total = 24 races. All the best Rob Edited June 24, 2010 by lucifer sam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted June 24, 2010 Report Share Posted June 24, 2010 In the 1988 British Open, there was two groups of four and one of three. The team from the group of three (Oxford) won the competition. So that blows your theory out of the water, sunshine. No it doesn't at all - as it still gives a team a chance of qualifying and winning the event by taking 4 rides. The more rides a team takes to win it over, shows they are more worthy of winning as it shows they are better over a larger scale. But how about this one then? 14 teams each (not grouped together) get 3 rides each - 21 races. Top four through to the semis. Total = 24 races. No - because then one team might face the top three sides and another team could face the three worst sides. There is currently no perfect solution, but the one that is in use at present is IMO the 'best fit' and closest to perfect solution you will get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted June 24, 2010 Report Share Posted June 24, 2010 I normally agree with what you say and I do so again today. Question is could the meeting be run with all 14 teams? Seems to me that you may have more supporters there to watch with 14 teams supporters instead of 10. I enjoy this type of comp but loses a little when my team isn't in. Straight to Cardiff for me....if Stoke had been in....then a few hours on the beach. It was run with more Teams than that in the National League in the 70's/80's, all teams were represented .I attended one at Halifax big crowd,plenty profit for Speedway,an opportunity missed IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted June 24, 2010 Report Share Posted June 24, 2010 How is that a farce? Every team had a chance to qualify, and 10 teams did. The other 4 who failed to qualify only have themselves to blame as everyone started on a level playing field. Typical from you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted June 24, 2010 Report Share Posted June 24, 2010 Typical from you. Go on, please expand? Or are you another of those who when someone disagrees with you, instead of debating an idea you just choose to come out with a comment like that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted June 24, 2010 Report Share Posted June 24, 2010 (edited) Go on, please expand? Or are you another of those who when someone disagrees with you, instead of debating an idea you just choose to come out with a comment like that? I was not complaining on who qualified or not . I was just pointing out the chance for BSPA to run a full event and maybe make a decent profit given the timing and location of the event Edited June 24, 2010 by Fromafar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted June 24, 2010 Report Share Posted June 24, 2010 I was not complaining on who qualified or not . I was just pointing out the chance for BSPA to run a full event and maybe make a decent profit given the timing and location of the event Read the posts after, it isn't possible when using a decent format. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted June 24, 2010 Report Share Posted June 24, 2010 No - because then one team might face the top three sides and another team could face the three worst sides. And how's that any different from this year, when one group is noticeably stronger than the other? There are ways are fitting 14 teams in Best Pairs, with a format that is (reasonably) fair to all. You use the format I have already stated (14 teams, no groups, 3 rides each) and then seed it depending on qualifying average, so that each team gets one ride against a top team, one against a middle team and one against a bottom team. All the best Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted June 24, 2010 Report Share Posted June 24, 2010 And how's that any different from this year, when one group is noticeably stronger than the other? Because there are more teams in a group, meaning there is a chance of it evening out and if you make a cock up in your opening ride, there is still a chance to correct that after. I have already said the current system isn't perfect, but it is IMO the best system on offer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben91 Posted June 24, 2010 Report Share Posted June 24, 2010 Bearing in mind Somerset have a curfuw I believe and i'm not 100% sure if they have any restrictions on when they start a meeting, I'm sure Najjer could help me out here. I assume that if there is a curfuw in place that is a 10pm cut off time in place. It would be a big push but in future, why not start at 7pm, with the parade at say 6.45, fans go to speedway to watch speedway, not a pointless presentation beforehand imo. All 14 teams are involved with two groups of seven. The usual race each other once scenario is played out, however the team who tops group A will face the winners of group B in a single final race, no pointless semi-finals, if you don't win your group after your 6 heats thats it. This would mean 31 heats in 3 hours, 9 more than at present. This would mean heats would be run fast and furious, with just under 6 minutes to run each heat. All dependant on the Somerset curfuw of course. As Najjer says, there is no perfect way to run the meeting at present which is a shame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted June 24, 2010 Report Share Posted June 24, 2010 Read the posts after, it isn't possible when using a decent format. In your opinion as always!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted June 24, 2010 Report Share Posted June 24, 2010 In your opinion as always!! Don't be silly. It's in accordance to rule 1099.34.000011.2 don't ya know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted June 24, 2010 Report Share Posted June 24, 2010 Bearing in mind Somerset have a curfuw I believe and i'm not 100% sure if they have any restrictions on when they start a meeting, I'm sure Najjer could help me out here. I assume that if there is a curfuw in place that is a 10pm cut off time in place. It would be a big push but in future, why not start at 7pm, with the parade at say 6.45, fans go to speedway to watch speedway, not a pointless presentation beforehand imo. All 14 teams are involved with two groups of seven. The usual race each other once scenario is played out, however the team who tops group A will face the winners of group B in a single final race, no pointless semi-finals, if you don't win your group after your 6 heats thats it. This would mean 31 heats in 3 hours, 9 more than at present. This would mean heats would be run fast and furious, with just under 6 minutes to run each heat. All dependant on the Somerset curfuw of course. As Najjer says, there is no perfect way to run the meeting at present which is a shame. RocketBen, two groups of seven with each pair in six qualifying riders would be two groups of 21 heats, plus a final, a total of 43 races. That's too many. You ideally want a maximum of somewhere around 25 races. All the best Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted June 24, 2010 Report Share Posted June 24, 2010 (edited) Don't be silly. It's in accordance to rule 1099.34.000011.2 don't ya know sorry I forgot to look. Edited June 24, 2010 by Fromafar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted June 24, 2010 Report Share Posted June 24, 2010 Bearing in mind Somerset have a curfuw I believe and i'm not 100% sure if they have any restrictions on when they start a meeting, I'm sure Najjer could help me out here. I assume that if there is a curfuw in place that is a 10pm cut off time in place. It would be a big push but in future, why not start at 7pm, with the parade at say 6.45, fans go to speedway to watch speedway, not a pointless presentation beforehand imo. All 14 teams are involved with two groups of seven. The usual race each other once scenario is played out, however the team who tops group A will face the winners of group B in a single final race, no pointless semi-finals, if you don't win your group after your 6 heats thats it. This would mean 31 heats in 3 hours, 9 more than at present. This would mean heats would be run fast and furious, with just under 6 minutes to run each heat. All dependant on the Somerset curfuw of course. As Najjer says, there is no perfect way to run the meeting at present which is a shame. If Najjer says it must be true which is a shame Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisisme Posted June 24, 2010 Report Share Posted June 24, 2010 Admit it mate you are a Drama Queen. :D YES he is a drama queen!!! He forgets im the one drivin down to Somerset, then to cardiff then back up to Leeds when its all over, he just has to sit there listenin to whatever rubbish he sticks on a cd for the entire journey with his feet up!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted June 24, 2010 Report Share Posted June 24, 2010 YES he is a drama queen!!! He forgets im the one drivin down to Somerset, then to cardiff then back up to Leeds when its all over, he just has to sit there listenin to whatever rubbish he sticks on a cd for the entire journey with his feet up!! I'm being dead serious here, I hope you make him pay for everything that weekend. If not I'd seriously consider dropping him off at Somerset and then come home again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulco Posted June 25, 2010 Report Share Posted June 25, 2010 YES he is a drama queen!!! He forgets im the one drivin down to Somerset, then to cardiff then back up to Leeds when its all over, he just has to sit there listenin to whatever rubbish he sticks on a cd for the entire journey with his feet up!! I reckon that's fair enough . Sorting the music out for a long journey can be quite stressful . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nutz Posted June 25, 2010 Report Share Posted June 25, 2010 (edited) Ok, so qualification could be based on the riders for your team that compete in Heat 15's up until the cut off date - irrespective of competition... List the riders that race in heat 15 every meeting and list their scores (incl bonus points) Calculate their averages based only on their heat 15 appearances, and this will give you the top 2 from the season (Note that the rider should have been in the team for the season!!! just to make it clear!!! - though maybe qualification should be based on appearing say 10 times in a heat 15...) These 2 will be the ones that represent you at Finals day... Qualification is based on the highest 10 pairs averages from heat 15's... Bonza! Edited June 25, 2010 by Nutz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulco Posted June 25, 2010 Report Share Posted June 25, 2010 Ok, so qualification could be based on the riders for your team that compete in Heat 15's up until the cut off date - irrespective of competition... List the riders that race in heat 15 every meeting and list their scores (incl bonus points) Calculate their averages based only on their heat 15 appearances, and this will give you the top 2 from the season (Note that the rider should have been in the team for the season!!! just to make it clear!!! - though maybe qualification should be based on appearing say 10 times in a heat 15...) These 2 will be the ones that represent you at Finals day... Qualification is based on the highest 10 pairs averages from heat 15's... Bonza! We went down the heat 15 route a couple of years back - Kings Lynn lost out . It's a novelty tournament that has no great importance in the grand scheme of things , but it can provide great entertainment . 9 highest combined averaged riders , plus the hosts is fair enough . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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