Midnight_Lady Posted June 23, 2010 Report Share Posted June 23, 2010 You wouldn't bother about it if Screen rode for another team. If rules were brought in to prevent the farces you have already mentioned then I applaud it. As I said before the BSPA are damned if they do and damned if they don't not to mention it's always Edinburgh's fault going by the tosh on a certain other forum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted June 23, 2010 Report Share Posted June 23, 2010 How does allowing the best rider in the division the chance to ride in this devaluing the sport ? What complete nonsense . As per usual we have Edinburgh fans and Najjer hiding behind rules and regulations without flexability and common sense . While everyone else is bemoaning the fact Joe can't entertain them . Paulco - well said. As a neutral at Somerset, I want to see the best possible line-up, not riders blocked by red tape for no good reason. But unfortunately some people on here can't see beyond their bias against Glasgow. All the best Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markw40 Posted June 23, 2010 Report Share Posted June 23, 2010 You wouldn't bother about it if Screen rode for another team. If rules were brought in to prevent the farces you have already mentioned then I applaud it. As I said before the BSPA are damned if they do and damned if they don't not to mention it's always Edinburgh's fault going by the tosh on a certain other forum Think if the rules were given and published at start of the season then it would have put a stop to this. They may have been in place but they dont give the fans the information required which can be frustrating. Will still be a superb meeting with or without Joe and Josh is pretty decent around the Oak tree anyway. Looking forward to a great night of racing and all the lads giving 100% effort Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulco Posted June 23, 2010 Report Share Posted June 23, 2010 You wouldn't bother about it if Screen rode for another team. If rules were brought in to prevent the farces you have already mentioned then I applaud it. As I said before the BSPA are damned if they do and damned if they don't not to mention it's always Edinburgh's fault going by the tosh on a certain other forum I'm afraid you don't credit me with enough love of speedway . Of course i'd be advocating Joe's inclusion regardless of who he was riding for . I still intend going to this meeting , even though it's devalued , but it's nothing more than an entertaining novelty event . So why rob the paying public of one of the league's most entertaining riders . I'm all for rules and regulations as long as they are there for the benefit of the sport , not for shooting themselves in the foot as is the case here . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted June 23, 2010 Report Share Posted June 23, 2010 (edited) I'm all for rules and regulations as long as they are there for the benefit of the sport , not for shooting themselves in the foot as is the case here . Agree with you which is why Screen and Hefenbrock should be in this meeting.Its very much a devalued meeting now without these 2 and the other riders who see meetings in Europe as more important. Maybe we should forget about the Pairs altogether,or at least untill we can get the best riders from all the teams there. Edited June 23, 2010 by screm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisisme Posted June 23, 2010 Report Share Posted June 23, 2010 Tell her that the 7bridge has been closed to the public as it's such a massive event and you'll have to catch a park & ride from The Oak Tree (a none speedway fan wouldn't know what or where that is). Then, when you roll up Friday evening there just happens to be another speedway meeting on. If that fails, handcuffs and sticky tape tends to do the trick Squall seems to forget the fact that im a member of this forum and can see his posts!!! I am NOT stubborn, ive already said i will take him!! He just doesnt listen! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ancient mariner Posted June 23, 2010 Report Share Posted June 23, 2010 Squall seems to forget the fact that im a member of this forum and can see his posts!!! I am NOT stubborn, ive already said i will take him!! He just doesnt listen! Ahhh .... so he's the one being stubborn then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squall Posted June 23, 2010 Report Share Posted June 23, 2010 Squall seems to forget the fact that im a member of this forum and can see his posts!!! I am NOT stubborn, ive already said i will take him!! He just doesnt listen! It wasn't me dear, it was these lot on here, they led me astray. Flowers and chocolates? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
womble53 Posted June 24, 2010 Report Share Posted June 24, 2010 (edited) And I'm sure the Premier League Best Pairs is considered really important in Europe. In fact I'm not sure it's even important outside of, well, the Premier League, if that. If it wasn't a good stopping off point on the way to Cardiff, I doubt that many would bother about it anyway. I do wish people would respect speedway in other countries, but typical of many UK fans is that nothing else matters, when in fact it's UK domestic speedway that becomes less and less important to many riders each year. Agree 100%. The "mickey mouse" event that is being discussed is the Semi Final of the World U21 Team Cup. I think that holds a bit more weight in World Speedway than the Premier League pairs. Pretty sure I read that Linus Sundstrom is otherwise engaged, so it looks like I won't be in attendance... Plus Berwick haven't qualified, so the other half won't want to go. The World U21 Team Cup DOES NOT clash with the PL Pairs, it clashes with the GP the following day.................that's the nonsense in the situation, having 2 FIM sanctioned events scheduled on the same day. The PL Pairs is really a side issue, as some riders may want to travel on Friday. The thing is, as I understand it, practice for the World U21 Team cup is on Saturday afternoon, and is not even compulsary, so riders who are eligible for both this and the PL pairs could actually ride in both, if they have organised reasonable travel plans. Sam Masters and Josh Grajczonek both flew back from the previous round that was run on a Saturday, and arrived at Glasgow the follwing day in time to ride. So it is possible with a little planning. So Shadders, your night out in Cardiff may have to be put on hold after all Edited June 24, 2010 by womble53 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midnight_Lady Posted June 24, 2010 Report Share Posted June 24, 2010 Paulco - well said. As a neutral at Somerset, I want to see the best possible line-up, not riders blocked by red tape for no good reason. In your opinion there is no good reason. Don't you see a pattern here with Screen, Grieves and Hefenbrock not being allowed in? Do you think that's just coincidence or could there possibly be rules even though we haven't seen them published? But unfortunately some people on here can't see beyond their bias against Glasgow. I guess I must be biased against Redcar and Somerset too then I couldn't care less who Screen rides for so bias has absolutely nothing to do with it. Think if the rules were given and published at start of the season then it would have put a stop to this. They may have been in place but they dont give the fans the information required which can be frustrating. I totally agree markw40. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king Posted June 24, 2010 Report Share Posted June 24, 2010 It wasn't me dear, it was these lot on here, they led me astray. Flowers and chocolates? Admit it mate you are a Drama Queen. :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted June 24, 2010 Report Share Posted June 24, 2010 (edited) Think if the rules were given and published at start of the season then it would have put a stop to this. They may have been in place but they dont give the fans the information required which can be frustrating. Will still be a superb meeting with or without Joe and Josh is pretty decent around the Oak tree anyway. Looking forward to a great night of racing and all the lads giving 100% effort Looking through the line up, it seems to only include people who have attained a new average for this season. Josef Franc according to the BSPA site is still on his 2009 average and if you look has not been included in the Sheffield '1-3' which includes Ashworth, Auty and Hall. Using the BSPA site greensheet averages again, I expect this has played a part in both Newport and Stoke not qualifying as neither Lanham or Bunyan have attained a 2010 Premier League average yet for their teams. I'd imagine that's what's stopping each team using Hefenbrock, Screen, Franc and Grieves even though he has done 12 meetings, he hasn't attained a new average yet whilst riding for Redcar. It was a complete farce when Craig Watson actually made his debut for Glasgow in the 2007 Pairs when they came 2nd, and this way of qualification actually makes perfect sense. Edited June 24, 2010 by Najjer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted June 24, 2010 Report Share Posted June 24, 2010 The whole thing about the pairs is a complete farce IMO. Thousands of fans going to Cardiff next day and they cant even arrange a meeting that all team are represented , typical Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted June 24, 2010 Report Share Posted June 24, 2010 The whole thing about the pairs is a complete farce IMO. Thousands of fans going to Cardiff next day and they cant even arrange a meeting that all team are represented , typical How is that a farce? Every team had a chance to qualify, and 10 teams did. The other 4 who failed to qualify only have themselves to blame as everyone started on a level playing field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bandits4eva Posted June 24, 2010 Report Share Posted June 24, 2010 (edited) So Shadders, your night out in Cardiff may have to be put on hold after all Thanks very much Dave Edited June 24, 2010 by Bandits4eva Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nutz Posted June 24, 2010 Report Share Posted June 24, 2010 How does allowing the best rider in the division the chance to ride in this devaluing the sport ? What complete nonsense . As per usual we have Edinburgh fans and Najjer hiding behind rules and regulations without flexability and common sense . While everyone else is bemoaning the fact Joe can't entertain them . What if a team ( heaven forbid ) has a disatrous run of injuries , signs a couple of suitable replacements for the injured riders , but can't go with them here cause they were signed after a cut-off date nobody knew about . This is a competition that has allowed Glasgow to use a rider that hadn't ridden in a competative fixture for them , that allowed a Rye House pairing of David McAllan and Robert Ksiezak at Glasgow . But now hides behind rules and regulations to prevent Joe Screen riding - complete tosh . It's got absolutely nothing to do with whom I support. As ML rightly points out, that must mean I'm against Somerset, Sheffield, Redcar et al. I'd like to see Joe Screen there - but my point is, he doesn't deserve to be there. That's what the best pairs is all about - people who deserve to be there on merit for racing for their team. Joe Screen doesn't deserve to represent Glasgow, as he'll have raced about 5 or 6 meetings for them. That's how - if you actually tried to interpret my post rather than see I'm an Edinburgh supporter and go directly into "they've got it in for us mode" then you'll have understood that I was meaning with the de-valuing of the sport - how can we try and explain to someone new to the sport that Glasgow or Somerset etc can use a rider that in a big show piece meeting without really having raced for the team before! That's the joke of the topic. And don't give me all the "Well Craig Watson was allowed, so why isn't Joe Screen" rubbish... That was in the past, and hopefully the rule of having rode 8meetings for the team prior to the cut off date has been brought in to stop this type of thing happening. Nice that your supporting the two boys you have in the meeting though... Wonder how Josh feels - probably your most improved rider - Aw, we don't want to see him, when we've got Joe Screen to come in... He'd win us the meeting, yeah, definitely. Then see you explain to a newcomer why Screen is in replacing the most improved rider at Glasgow who's raced there ALL season... Tough one! Paulco - well said. As a neutral at Somerset, I want to see the best possible line-up, not riders blocked by red tape for no good reason. But unfortunately some people on here can't see beyond their bias against Glasgow. All the best Rob Again, complete nonsense. Anyone who knows me, knows me as a supporter of speedway first and foremost, and to see entertainers like Joe Screen is something that doesn't happen everyday - so don't hide behind the easiest get out clause in the book - We're Edinburgh, they're Glasgow so we have to disagree with everything they do...! The whole thing about the pairs is a complete farce IMO. Thousands of fans going to Cardiff next day and they cant even arrange a meeting that all team are represented , typical Totally agree... Either preliminary rounds of some description should take place for the show piece events like this and the 4's and then at least the best have earned their right to race in the final. Except Glasgow of course!!! Oops, sorry, please don't misinterpret that one!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldy Posted June 24, 2010 Report Share Posted June 24, 2010 How is that a farce? Every team had a chance to qualify, and 10 teams did. The other 4 who failed to qualify only have themselves to blame as everyone started on a level playing field. I normally agree with what you say and I do so again today. Question is could the meeting be run with all 14 teams? Seems to me that you may have more supporters there to watch with 14 teams supporters instead of 10. I enjoy this type of comp but loses a little when my team isn't in. Straight to Cardiff for me....if Stoke had been in....then a few hours on the beach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted June 24, 2010 Report Share Posted June 24, 2010 The problem you get when you add more teams, is you get more races and by the end the whole event will be a complete drag. As it is at the moment, there is already 24 heats that take place. If you want a fair format (Unlike the Elite League Pairs last season) where every team will race against every team in their group you are then looking at adding an extra 5 races per a team you add, and then 6 races for another team on top in that group. If you were to ensure every team was involved in two groups of 7 then by my calculations that is an extra 22 races on top of the already 20 heats used for qualifying already. Realistically, even with the idea of doing qualifying meetings there is no format that is ideal. The best way is taking rider's CMAs from a certain point and ensuring they must have ridden at least X amount of meetings for their teams and achieved a CMA for that year too. Announce this is at the start of the year and every team knows where they stand and there can be no excuses then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted June 24, 2010 Report Share Posted June 24, 2010 14 teams into 2 groups of 4 and 2 groups of 3. Winner from each group progresses to two semis and then a final. Number of races = 21. All the best Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted June 24, 2010 Report Share Posted June 24, 2010 (edited) 14 teams into 2 groups of 4 and 2 groups of 3. Winner from each group progresses to two semis and then a final. Number of races = 21. All the best Rob That isn't fair though, because the teams in the group of 4 have to ride in 3 races to qualify for the Semi Finals and then the teams in the Group of 3 only have to ride 2 races - How's that fair? Not only that, you hardly get a proper reflection of a group over 2 races each. Edited June 24, 2010 by Najjer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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