2010 Premier League Pairs

[lucifer sam]

So basically according to you Screen should be allowed to ride as a drawcard? What about James Grieves, a rider who has been in the PL a damn site longer than Screen has.

 

ML - where did I say that Grieves shouldn't be in the meeting?

 

Of course he should. As long as the rider is in the official 1-7 of a side at the meeting and has rode for the club in a Premier League match, then they should be allowed to ride for that team in the Pairs.

 

All the best

Rob

[Midnight_Lady]

ML - where did I say that Grieves shouldn't be in the meeting?

 

I do wish you would read things properly. I never suggested you said that. It's just that you hadn't mentioned his absence only Screen's.

 

Of course he should. As long as the rider is in the official 1-7 of a side at the meeting and has rode for the club in a Premier League match, then they should be allowed to ride for that team in the Pairs.

 

Irrespective of cut off dates? That's your rules.

I know they haven't been seen to be made public but how do we know there weren't rules to state cut off dates and/or number of meetings that had to be ridden for said club.

[lucifer sam]

I do wish you would read things properly. I never suggested you said that. It's just that you hadn't mentioned his absence only Screen's.

 

Irrespective of cut off dates? That's your rules.

I know they haven't been seen to be made public but how do we know there weren't rules to state cut off dates and/or number of meetings that had to be ridden for said club.

 

ML, well to be honest, Screen is a little more high profile than Grieves. That's why his absence was mentioned first, but the omission of Grieves is wrong as well.

 

Both Screen and Grieves had ridden for their new clubs by the time the line-up was announced. Why have a cut-off date of several weeks ago? Who cares who was riding for who three or four weeks ago?

 

All the best

Rob

[Midnight_Lady]

Both Screen and Grieves had ridden for their new clubs by the time the line-up was announced. Why have a cut-off date of several weeks ago? Who cares who was riding for who three or four weeks ago?

 

All the best

Rob

 

Sorry Rob I disagree.

 

Going on what you say then Tai Woffinden and Lee Richardson should have been in the British Final irrespective of the fact they didn't qualify according to the rules, because they are "draw cards"

 

The fact is no matter what is laid down the BSPA come in for a pounding. They can never win.

 

PS Screen may be a little more high profile than Grieves but it's Grieves who has given his time to the PL season after season

Edited June 22, 2010 by Midnight_Lady

[HenryW]

And I'm sure the Premier League Best Pairs is considered really important in Europe. In fact I'm not sure it's even important outside of, well, the Premier League, if that. If it wasn't a good stopping off point on the way to Cardiff, I doubt that many would bother about it anyway.

 

I do wish people would respect speedway in other countries, but typical of many UK fans is that nothing else matters, when in fact it's UK domestic speedway that becomes less and less important to many riders each year.

Agree 100%.

The "mickey mouse" event that is being discussed is the Semi Final of the World U21 Team Cup. I think that holds a bit more weight in World Speedway than the Premier League pairs.

[gmuncie]

I can't seem to edit my previous post so will have to do another one.

 

Glasgow fans seem to think they are being singled out with Screen not being in the line-up. What about James Grieves not being allowed to represent Redcar?

 

With that in mind there must have been a cut off date or maybe a rider has to have ridden a set amount of meetings for their club now so that we don't have the farce of 2007 when Craig Watson was allowed to represent a club he hadn't ridden for.

 

 

Not to mention hefenbrock of somerset, I read elsewhere that a rider had to have done 8 meetings for their club for them to be allowed to ride in the pairs (not sure if this is the same for the fours) seems sensible enough to me of course your never gonna please everybody or in the bspa's case anyone by the seems of it.

[spin king]

Looking forward to this meeting even more now we have qualified - hopefully we will go with Ashworth and Auty!!

 

I think that the Sheffield pairing is a no brainer, would love to see odds for a Sheffield win, not a betting man, but do think we could be a real dark horse for this meeting.

[drew2]

I can't seem to edit my previous post so will have to do another one.

 

Glasgow fans seem to think they are being singled out with Screen not being in the line-up. What about James Grieves not being allowed to represent Redcar?

With that in mind there must have been a cut off date or maybe a rider has to have ridden a set amount of meetings for their club now so that we don't have the farce of 2007 when Craig Watson was allowed to represent a club he hadn't ridden for.

That's lucky for Redcar really as Grieves is shocking around Somerset and not well liked by the fans after he dumped Readie over the fence a few years back. He even turned down the chance to ride in the PL Pairs last year I believe.

Havelock maybe in advancing years and not the rider he once was but (when he has been paid! ) is still a good rider around the OTA and would surely be mentioned by many Somerset fans if they had to nominate their best race seen at Highbridge. Not sure if it would be the race against Zorro, Doyley or Sam though!

[Najjer]

There is also no Hefenbrock for Somerset - No Hefenbrock, No Screen, No Grieves.. anyone see the trend now? Come on, it's not hard when you think about it.

 

Looks like Somerset have a pretty tough group.

 

I think that the Sheffield pairing is a no brainer, would love to see odds for a Sheffield win, not a betting man, but do think we could be a real dark horse for this meeting.

 

With the record they have at Somerset, it'd be a massive failure if they don't do well. There's no dark horse about it, Sheffield should be in with a shout of winning it.

 

Gutting for Birmingham they can't have Sedgmen and gutting for Edinburgh that they can't use Matty Wethers.

Edited June 22, 2010 by Najjer

[seedef27]

No Joe Screen for Glasgow then

 

With Sheffield "qualifying" I'll have to be extra nice to the other half to nip down on route to Cardiff

Anyone have any tips on how to get your own way with a stubborn woman?

 

Chlorop....*Ouch*

[squall]

You had shot down in my estimation for stating the obvious...

 

With the record they have at Somerset, it'd be a massive failure if they don't do well. There's no dark horse about it, Sheffield should be in with a shout of winning it.

 

And then raised back up for.............stating the obvious!!!

 

Now seriously, does ANYBODY know any tips on how to pursuade the non-speedway supporting missus to "stop off" at Somerset on route to Cardiff as I'm running out of ideas

Edited June 22, 2010 by squall

[squall]

Chlorop....*Ouch*

 

Just seen this...

 

She's driving you spanner!!!!!

[HenryW]

That's lucky for Redcar really as Grieves is shocking around Somerset and not well liked by the fans after he dumped Readie over the fence a few years back. He even turned down the chance to ride in the PL Pairs last year I believe.

Grieves turned down the chance to race in the pairs last year?

Me thinks not...he was definitely there.

[Daniel Smith]

Now seriously, does ANYBODY know any tips on how to pursuade the non-speedway supporting missus to "stop off" at Somerset on route to Cardiff as I'm running out of ideas

 

Tell her that the 7bridge has been closed to the public as it's such a massive event and you'll have to catch a park & ride from The Oak Tree (a none speedway fan wouldn't know what or where that is). Then, when you roll up Friday evening there just happens to be another speedway meeting on.

 

If that fails, handcuffs and sticky tape tends to do the trick

[squall]

Tell her that the 7bridge has been closed to the public as it's such a massive event and you'll have to catch a park & ride from The Oak Tree (a none speedway fan wouldn't know what or where that is). Then, when you roll up Friday evening there just happens to be another speedway meeting on.

 

If that fails, handcuffs and sticky tape tends to do the trick

 

Might give the park and ride one a go.

 

Can't tape her up as she'll be the one driving!

[Najjer]

Grieves turned down the chance to race in the pairs last year?

Me thinks not...he was definitely there.

 

It was the year before when he was with Redcar. He was second in their averages but turned down the chance to ride and they used Ty Proctor instead.

[Nutz]

Maybe not to you or me, but he is to the armchair viewer who goes along to one meeting at Cardiff each year. And so would be Joe Screen. If Screen isn't allowed to ride, then it's an opportunity wasted to draw along the casual fan.

 

All the best

Rob

 

Maybe it is, but for this meeting, and the day before Cardiff, they hardly need to draw in casual fans do they? It'll be a full stadium with a 2hr wait to get out the car park as usual;)

 

I agree with the fact that Screen or Hefenbrock not being allowed to race. Applying the same rule, then it's right that Grievesy shouldn't be allowed to represent Redcar. Try telling a newcomer the reasons for allowing Joe Screen to race for Glasgow after only ever having ridden 5 or 6 matches for them, whereas all the rest have done a full season???

 

It de-values the sport another notch if this is allowed to happen. Maybe he would be good in the event, but at the end of the day, another point of credibility would fly out the window for the sport - and lets face it, we don't need anymore going out, do we?

 

 

 

Not to mention hefenbrock of somerset, I read elsewhere that a rider had to have done 8 meetings for their club for them to be allowed to ride in the pairs (not sure if this is the same for the fours) seems sensible enough to me of course your never gonna please everybody or in the bspa's case anyone by the seems of it.

 

As above - definitely seems sensible. At least he'd have contributed something to the team he's representing.

 

 

I think that the Sheffield pairing is a no brainer, would love to see odds for a Sheffield win, not a betting man, but do think we could be a real dark horse for this meeting.

 

Definitely think Sheffield could be dark horses - though I say that each year. Would certainly put money on them getting out of group 2.

 

Gutting for Birmingham they can't have Sedgmen and gutting for Edinburgh that they can't use Matty Wethers.

 

Like I said before, Matty is probably our most consistent and best rider round OTA - ahead of Fish, Andy etc...

[The~SAINT]

Now seriously, does ANYBODY know any tips on how to pursuade the non-speedway supporting missus to "stop off" at Somerset on route to Cardiff as I'm running out of ideas

day out at the seaside (burnham on sea),it's just one mile from the stadium!!!!

(we stay there every year)

[Najjer]

Like I said before, Matty is probably our most consistent and best rider round OTA - ahead of Fish, Andy etc...

 

I agree - He's always good entertainment and has come close to maximums on many different occasions on the past and also beat all the top names like Doyle, Zetterstrom and Kramer over the past few years.

[Paulco]

Maybe it is, but for this meeting, and the day before Cardiff, they hardly need to draw in casual fans do they? It'll be a full stadium with a 2hr wait to get out the car park as usual;)

 

I agree with the fact that Screen or Hefenbrock not being allowed to race. Applying the same rule, then it's right that Grievesy shouldn't be allowed to represent Redcar. Try telling a newcomer the reasons for allowing Joe Screen to race for Glasgow after only ever having ridden 5 or 6 matches for them, whereas all the rest have done a full season???

 

It de-values the sport another notch if this is allowed to happen. Maybe he would be good in the event, but at the end of the day, another point of credibility would fly out the window for the sport - and lets face it, we don't need anymore going out, do we?

 

 

 

 

 

 

How does allowing the best rider in the division the chance to ride in this devaluing the sport ? What complete nonsense .

As per usual we have Edinburgh fans and Najjer hiding behind rules and regulations without flexability and common sense . While everyone else is bemoaning the fact Joe can't entertain them .

What if a team ( heaven forbid ) has a disatrous run of injuries , signs a couple of suitable replacements for the injured riders , but can't go with them here cause they were signed after a cut-off date nobody knew about .

This is a competition that has allowed Glasgow to use a rider that hadn't ridden in a competative fixture for them , that allowed a Rye House pairing of David McAllan and Robert Ksiezak at Glasgow . But now hides behind rules and regulations to prevent Joe Screen riding - complete tosh .