World Under21s Meeting

[Fozzie4388]

Anyone know if theres any updates anywere and what time the meeting starts our time?

[gypilgrim]

Anyone know if theres any updates anywere and what time the meeting starts our time?

 

6pm local time so I think that is 5pm BST.

 

I don't know about updates.

 

Best of British luck to Jerran Hart. Does anyyone know if Josh Auty has made it to Slovenia ?

 

 

[clutchplate]

Jerran has scored 8 pts tonight in Slovenia - 0, 1 2, 2, 3 - has missed out on next round by 1 pt but well pleased to get what he has.

[ballinger]

Jerran has scored 8 pts tonight in Slovenia - 0, 1 2, 2, 3 - has missed out on next round by 1 pt but well pleased to get what he has.

 

Wyniki (czołowa siódemka):

1. Maksim Bogdanow (Łotwa) - 12+3 (3,3,3,3,d)

2. Sławomir Pyszny (Polska) - 12+d (2,3,3,2,2)

3. Patryk Dudek (Polska) - 11+3 (3,3,2,3,0)

4. Max Dilger (Niemcy) - 11+2 (3,2,2,1,3)

5. Aleksandr Loktajew (Ukraina) - 10 (w,1,3,3,3)

6. Szymon Kiełbasa (Polska) - 10 (3,3,2,0,2)

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7. Simon Nielsen (Dania) - 9 (2,2,1,2,2)

8. Aljosa Remih (Słowenia) - 8 (2,2,0,1,3)

9. Jerran Hart (Wielka Brytania) - 8 (0,1,2,2,3)

10. Thomas Joergensen (Dania) - 8 (2,d,3,2,1)

11. Samo Kukovica (Słowenia) - 7 (1,2,1,1,2)

12. Marcel Helfer (Niemcy) - 6 (1,0,1,3,1)

13. Johannes Fiala (Austria) - 3 (0,1,1,1,d)

14. Ziga Radkovic (Słowenia) - 2 (1,1,0,0,0)

15. Ladislav Vida (Słowenia) - 1 (0,0,0,0,1)

16. Danny Marcel Massen (Niemcy) - 1 (1,t,0,0,0)

17. Jernej Pecnik (Słowenia) - 0 (d)

 

Bieg po biegu:

1. Dudek, Remih, Helfer, Hart

2. Dilger, Pyszny, Radkovic, Loktajew (w)

3. Kiełbasa, Nielsen, Kukovica, Fiala

4. Bogdanow, Jorgensen, Massen, Vida

5. Bogdanow, Kukovica, Loktajew, Helfer

6. Pyszny, Nielsen, Hart, Jorgensen (d)

7. Kiełbasa, Remih, Radkovic, Pecnik (d), Massen (t)

8. Dudek, Dilger, Fiala, Vida

9. Pyszny, Kiełbasa, Helfer, Vida

10. Loktajew, Hart, Fiala, Massen

11. Jorgensen, Dilger, Kukovica, Remih

12. Bogdanow, Dudek, Nielsen, Radkovic

13. Helfer, Jorgensen, Fiala, Radkovic

14. Bogdanow, Hart, Dilger, Kiełbasa

15. Loktajew, Nielsen, Remih, Vida

16. Dudek, Pyszny, Kukovica, Massen

17. Dilger, Nielsen, Helfer, Massen

18. Hart, Kukovica, Vida, Radkovic

19. Remih, Pyszny, Bogdanow (d), Fiala (d)

20. Loktajew, Kiełbasa, Jorgensen, Dudek

 

Bieg dodatkowy o 3. miejsce:

21. Dudek, Dilger

 

Bieg dodatkowy o 1. miejsce:

22. Bogdanow, Pyszny (d)

[BobC]

In typical British fashion,I know of a couple of riders who were asked to go as late as THURSDAY.

 

Absolutely no time to get a full medical,licences,arrange ferry,drive out there,etc.Its at least a 12hr drive from Calais,plus stops.

 

Surely British Speedway hasnt got anymore feet left to shoot at?

[SCB]

In typical British fashion,I know of a couple of riders who were asked to go as late as THURSDAY.

 

Absolutely no time to get a full medical,licences,arrange ferry,drive out there,etc.Its at least a 12hr drive from Calais,plus stops.

 

Surely British Speedway hasnt got anymore feet left to shoot at?

But what do you want them to do? Have rider on standby in case of injury? It's nobodys fault that one of our entries got injured and so was not fit to ride.

[Topcat]

Well done Max. Time to get this form in the Premier league.

[spanner47]

In typical British fashion,I know of a couple of riders who were asked to go as late as THURSDAY.

 

Absolutely no time to get a full medical,licences,arrange ferry,drive out there,etc.Its at least a 12hr drive from Calais,plus stops.

 

Surely British Speedway hasnt got anymore feet left to shoot at?

 

Jerran told us it took 22 hours from Ipswich. But understandably no British rider could get out there at such short notice. Cracking meeting. Bogdanovs was a class apart, and once that ukrainian got going, the 330 strong crowd were treated to some great stuff.

[iris123]

the 330 strong crowd were treated to some great stuff.

Hope for a bigger crowd and a better result for the Danes at Holsted

[HenryW]

Cracking meeting. Bogdanovs was a class apart, and once that ukrainian got going, the 330 strong crowd were treated to some great stuff.

I realise that it's slightly pedantic, but Aleksandr Loktaev is actually a Russian kid.

I assume he must still be racing on a Ukrainian license at the moment to be credited with being Ukrainian in FIM events.

His scores haven't been overly impressive in the Polish Extraliga so far, but for a 16 year old he seems to be doing quite nicely everywhere else.

[iris123]

I realise that it's slightly pedantic, but Aleksandr Loktaev is actually a Russian kid.

I assume he must still be racing on a Ukrainian license at the moment to be credited with being Ukrainian in FIM events.

His scores haven't been overly impressive in the Polish Extraliga so far, but for a 16 year old he seems to be doing quite nicely everywhere else.

Yes.The explanation is on the Danish Fixtures thread

[f-s-p]

BoBc, why were British kids asked that late? Was it because there were no british riders willing to take part in this meeting (that has been known since last November-ish)? OR because someone had withdrawn and Jean-Paul from the FIM was kind enough to ask federations for new riders and the ACU/BSPA U21 supremo did the rounds and asked for new ones...

 

So could it be that in this case the actions of British speedway could be applauded!!?

[spanner47]

I realise that it's slightly pedantic, but Aleksandr Loktaev is actually a Russian kid.

I assume he must still be racing on a Ukrainian license at the moment to be credited with being Ukrainian in FIM events.

His scores haven't been overly impressive in the Polish Extraliga so far, but for a 16 year old he seems to be doing quite nicely everywhere else.

 

Forgive my ignorance, it said Ukraine in the programme and that was good enough for me. As always with these meetings, you never know if it's the country of birth or just a licence. Maybe they should asterisk the licence, then folk like me would look into where they actually come from.

[spanner47]

BoBc, why were British kids asked that late? Was it because there were no british riders willing to take part in this meeting (that has been known since last November-ish)? OR because someone had withdrawn and Jean-Paul from the FIM was kind enough to ask federations for new riders and the ACU/BSPA U21 supremo did the rounds and asked for new ones...

 

So could it be that in this case the actions of British speedway could be applauded!!?

Josh Auty got injured on Wednesday night, then Graham Reeve tried to get a replacement, but it was too late. I assume his place can only be taken by another brit or one of the meetings reserves, as no brit was available, the reserve took his place.

[f-s-p]

Josh Auty got injured on Wednesday night, then Graham Reeve tried to get a replacement, but it was too late. I assume his place can only be taken by another brit or one of the meetings reserves, as no brit was available, the reserve took his place.

So who's shooting who on the foot...

 

They are federation slots for the first round, but if a federation gives them away (in time), I'm certain they are offered around.

[BobC]

BoBc, why were British kids asked that late? Was it because there were no british riders willing to take part in this meeting (that has been known since last November-ish)? OR because someone had withdrawn and Jean-Paul from the FIM was kind enough to ask federations for new riders and the ACU/BSPA U21 supremo did the rounds and asked for new ones...

 

So could it be that in this case the actions of British speedway could be applauded!!?

Not really.

 

I gather it was for rider injury.

 

Why doesnt British Speedway get itself organised properly? We had a similar happening for last seasons U21 World Cup in Germany. Riders were willing to travel,but the required paperwork couldnt be processed in time.

 

Once all the riders had qualified for the British U21 Final at Lakeside,surely they should have ALL been required to take medicals etc? BSPA to cover that cost.The top 8 automatically going through to the next stages.Allowing for withdrawals and injuries etc,that would have put all the others on immediate standby. If a space became available,all they would have had to do was pack the van and go.

 

The one rider I spoke to who WANTED to travel,wasnt even aware of the medical and licence requirements.I put it down to downright poor management at the BSPA.

 

Its no wonder the other Nations are overtaking us.They seem to get riders here there and everywhere.Why cant we?

 

In the European U19 Championships,we only have one certain place.Why? Because Graham Reeve only applied for ONE place! Again,while talking to other riders,they were not aware of any dealines to apply.I understand that efforts are being made to get more riders in.

 

Until the BSPA etc get their act together and start acting in a professional manner,Britain will remain as a 3rd tier Speedway nation.

[speedwaystar84]

Not really.

 

I gather it was for rider injury.

 

Why doesnt British Speedway get itself organised properly? We had a similar happening for last seasons U21 World Cup in Germany. Riders were willing to travel,but the required paperwork couldnt be processed in time.

 

Once all the riders had qualified for the British U21 Final at Lakeside,surely they should have ALL been required to take medicals etc? BSPA to cover that cost.The top 8 automatically going through to the next stages.Allowing for withdrawals and injuries etc,that would have put all the others on immediate standby. If a space became available,all they would have had to do was pack the van and go.

 

The one rider I spoke to who WANTED to travel,wasnt even aware of the medical and licence requirements.I put it down to downright poor management at the BSPA.

 

Its no wonder the other Nations are overtaking us.They seem to get riders here there and everywhere.Why cant we?

 

In the European U19 Championships,we only have one certain place.Why? Because Graham Reeve only applied for ONE place! Again,while talking to other riders,they were not aware of any dealines to apply.I understand that efforts are being made to get more riders in.

 

Until the BSPA etc get their act together and start acting in a professional manner,Britain will remain as a 3rd tier Speedway nation.

 

 

Good point!

 

Can I just add that with most other federations the riders make an international licence, there isnt as such as just a national licence like the british riders get from the acu. these riders have already taken a mediacal for the licence and so dont need to do another one for FIM or UEM meetings so whilst the riders are on there way to cover for an injured rider the home federation or FMN can sort out the licence and fax it straight to the organisers of the meeting.

[Icicle]

Good young Simon Sausage came 6th & progresses!!

[kiwi]

Good point!

 

Can I just add that with most other federations the riders make an international licence, there isnt as such as just a national licence like the british riders get from the acu. these riders have already taken a mediacal for the licence and so dont need to do another one for FIM or UEM meetings so whilst the riders are on there way to cover for an injured rider the home federation or FMN can sort out the licence and fax it straight to the organisers of the meeting.

 

The event is an FIM event, so obviously it requires a FIM licence,

If a rider is injured or is unfit before the meeting, the place should rightly be taken by the meeting reserve not another brit as a brit was injured.

 

imagine if the meeting reserves were Brits and an Aussie got injured and replaced him with another Aussie. there would be pages of abuse on here

[BobC]

Good point!

 

Can I just add that with most other federations the riders make an international licence, there isnt as such as just a national licence like the british riders get from the acu. these riders have already taken a mediacal for the licence and so dont need to do another one for FIM or UEM meetings so whilst the riders are on there way to cover for an injured rider the home federation or FMN can sort out the licence and fax it straight to the organisers of the meeting.

That is the point Im trying to make.

 

Last season,Brendan Johnson had to have THREE seperate licences.The standard ACU,UEM,and FIM

 

ACU....covers him for domestic meetings in the UK.

 

UEM....covers him for any meeting run by UEM.As per last season,he is also riding in the UEM U19's Championships again this year.

 

FIM....One of the reasons he was included in the British U21 World Team Cup team last season was that he already had the medical,eye tests,etc.

 

Why on earth cant ALL riders have just ONE international licence,with certain exclusions,as per the standard driving licences?

 

With todays technologies,it should be very easy to email any relative information.

 

 

Kiwi,I believe that each nation has an allocation of places for each event.So if a Brit is drawn to ride,it is up to the British to replace him,before offering the place to anyone else.