Hammer Posted December 25, 2003 Report Share Posted December 25, 2003 (edited) Dear Lioness, you seem to be arguing with yourself. I used Wimbledon as an example of how ripping out a team identity, gives that team no credibility as a singular entity. Your hair splitting over how the backroom business was actually executed has nothing to do with my argument. Let's make this really easy and take Hackney as an example. Could you imagine a Football team being called the Hackney Hawks, then the Hackney Kestrels and then the London Lions all in recent times and all at the same location?. The identity completely gone, Hackney supporters confused about what they should do?. In the end Speedway just becomes a wall of death type spectacle with no loyalty to local history. And what's more, along with club credibility, the sport's credibility suffers as well. This is why most normal people see Speedway on the same level as banger racing or, god forbid, sidecar racing. lots of love- Hammer Edited December 25, 2003 by Hammer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trackman Posted December 25, 2003 Report Share Posted December 25, 2003 (On behalf of Trackman) Well at least it wasn't a swan PMSL! your not wrong SCB, never did like that swan ;O) Regards. PS. Merry Xmas! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidecar121 Posted December 25, 2003 Report Share Posted December 25, 2003 This is why most normal people see Speedway on the same level as banger racing or, god forbid, sidecar racing. Welcome back Hammer....Let you out for Christmas did they? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammer Posted December 25, 2003 Report Share Posted December 25, 2003 Dear Mr Sidecar, They have let me out for the christmas period as long as I comply with my strict medication regime. On the other hand, surely this forum is for the development of one's understanding of speedway matters and not for commenting on the mental health of it's supporters. lots of love - Hammer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lioness Posted December 26, 2003 Report Share Posted December 26, 2003 Dear Lioness, you seem to be arguing with yourself. I used Wimbledon as an example of how ripping out a team identity, gives that team no credibility as a singular entity. Your hair splitting over how the backroom business was actually executed has nothing to do with my argument. Let's make this really easy and take Hackney as an example. Could you imagine a Football team being called the Hackney Hawks, then the Hackney Kestrels and then the London Lions all in recent times and all at the same location?. The identity completely gone, Hackney supporters confused about what they should do?. In the end Speedway just becomes a wall of death type spectacle with no loyalty to local history. And what's more, along with club credibility, the sport's credibility suffers as well. This is why most normal people see Speedway on the same level as banger racing or, god forbid, sidecar racing. lots of love- Hammer Must have been a good argument when it took you a month and a half to come back to it. You totally decided to miss the point-you previously and erroneously claimed the 'Wimbledon' playing in the football league had renamed themselves whereas it was the original Wimbledon who took that route calling themselves AFC Wimbledon. You may not think it had anything to do with your argument but as you were holding it up as an example-erroneously-then by definition your error was relevant. As for your Hackney Hawks example, what about Sunderland? Did their identity completely go when their nickname changed to the Black Cats? Or perhaps Airdrie? Or maybe Albion? if you are going to compare make sure your comparisons are relevant, thats the very relevant point I was making. Quite frankly I think speedways credability is jeopardised by far more important things than changing nicknames-you know little things like the lack of transparancy in the rule book. Never mind, you just go on about changing nicknames. Your constant cheap shots at sidecars doesn't do you any favours incidentally Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammer Posted December 26, 2003 Report Share Posted December 26, 2003 Lioness - It took me that long as I had to consult a professor of encryption and arcane language to work out what the flip you are going on about. I think that Speedway promotion is too amateurish and transient, OXFORD SILVER MACHINE god help us. It would serve the sport better to have consistency, better presentation of meetings (not expensive- just better) more team identity, Swindon didn't even seem to have a Robin on their race jackets this year. If I was a Swindon fan I would have been most upset. Speedway is still run more as a sideshow than a sport, your perspective as a sidecar enthusiast is different to mine. If anyone wants to know how to do it, go and watch the Poole Pirates. Lots of love- Hammer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lioness Posted December 26, 2003 Report Share Posted December 26, 2003 yeah whatever Hammer... As everyone on here knows its speedway I follow and I dont exactly fit into the category of 'sidecar enthusiast'....I am just not as narrow minded and insular as your opinions appear to be. Never mind facts though eh? Still, I suppose its my language thats confusing you-if you find it so esoteric perhaps we could carry on a discussion in MY natural tongue instead of yours see how you get on? Incidentally it is not exactly 'clever' to critisise peoples typing/language etc on boards such as this-I suggest you try a language one if thats your thing. Oh and as you seem so keen to dig on other topics at people going 'off-topic' may I ask what your last post had to do withthe topic heading? See? We can all do it. Perhaps I should just do what is recommended for trolls and ignore you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammer Posted December 26, 2003 Report Share Posted December 26, 2003 oooooooooooooooohhh - ark at you I wasn't commenting on your grammar,spelling,syntax language etc, I just meant that I did'nt understand the point you were making. You seem to bend over backwards to misunderstand what I post so that you can remonstrate with me. Of course if English is'nt your first language then I wouldn't get on as well with that as you, so what a childish point to make. You're right that i have gone off topic briefly, but that's because you sabotage the arguments that I put forward. Lots of love - Hammer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lioness Posted December 26, 2003 Report Share Posted December 26, 2003 You're right that i have gone off topic briefly, but that's because you sabotage the arguments that I put forward. You mean I pointed out they were wrong which made them spurious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano Posted December 26, 2003 Report Share Posted December 26, 2003 ooooo....I hear the sound of wedding bells.....Keep it up guys, makes great reading. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lioness Posted December 26, 2003 Report Share Posted December 26, 2003 aww but Deano I'm keeping myself true for you...... (is that the sound of running I hear? ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano Posted December 26, 2003 Report Share Posted December 26, 2003 aww but Deano I'm keeping myself true for you...... (is that the sound of running I hear? ) Well its either that or the pitter patter of tiny feet Nice posting though Lioness Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammer Posted December 27, 2003 Report Share Posted December 27, 2003 SPURIOUS!!!! you cheeky monkey, I mean Lion Every thing I have said is the result of years of pains-taking research and in -depth analysis of all sideways type motorcycle behaviour. I was filling in programmes and drinking awful tea from polystyrene cups before you were even a cub. Lots of love- Hammer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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