Gp Grand Finalists

[barrow boy]

Should the top 2 qualifiers from the qualifying heats go straight to the final with the 3rd & 4th going into the 2nd Semi Final who then race off for the 2 remaining final places against riders 5 to 8 in a first semi final.

[westhamboy66]

I don't think there is a need for a final full stop. Run off for the title ok if need be but otherwise i would prefer an old style World Championship Meeting with the points earned going to the riders GP total.

[seedef27]

I don't think there is a need for a final full stop. Run off for the title ok if need be but otherwise i would prefer an old style World Championship Meeting with the points earned going to the riders GP total.

 

I agree that it is not always fair however if you take away a final you devalue the entertainment i fear.It also may take a riders 15 minutes of fame such as Bombers at Cardiff epic last bend winner.

 

[Bavarian]

There's absolutely no cause for changing the current system. With the traditional 20 heats, plus two semi-finals and final, and points scored throughout the meeting in all races counting for the championship, this is near perfect. It guarantees that there is absolutely no meaningless races for any rider anytime during the meeting.

That's the best system we ever had for the Grand Prix. Don't even think about changing it!

[lucifer sam]

There's absolutely no cause for changing the current system. With the traditional 20 heats, plus two semi-finals and final, and points scored throughout the meeting in all races counting for the championship, this is near perfect. It guarantees that there is absolutely no meaningless races for any rider anytime during the meeting.

That's the best system we ever had for the Grand Prix. Don't even think about changing it!

 

Yeah, great. A system where a rider who finishes second in the meeting can score more points than the guy who wins the meeting.

 

About time we went back to the KO system used between 1998 & 2004. Now THAT was entertaining.

 

All the best

Rob

 

[Bavarian]

Yeah, great. A system where a rider who finishes second in the meeting can score more points than the guy who wins the meeting.

 

About time we went back to the KO system used between 1998 & 2004. Now THAT was entertaining.

 

All the best

Rob

 

Yeah, it is indeed great, that a rider can still win a GP even when for whatever reason he has dropped a few points in the earlier heats (engine failures, exclusions etc). With every point scored counting for his world championship points total, noone can throw a race or just don't bother to try really hard to race for every single point. THat's the beauty if teh riders do not just compete for the title, but also a top eight position for next year. That gives nearly every rider something to aim for right til teh end of the season.

 

On a GP night a rider who scores a 15 point max in the heats knows exactly what he's got, even if he might not be guaraneed to win the final. But nobody takes away his points.

 

Yet every rider who makes the semis, regardless if he has 15 or just 8 or 9 points, is still in the hunt to win the GP on the night, and if he is indeed good enough to beat the other top scorers in the semi and grand final, that is very well deserved.

 

As I said, this is an absolutely brilliant race formula and points scoring system.

 

P.S.: You can't be serious to suggest replacing the current system with the former k.o. formula, are You?

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P.S.: You can't be serious to suggest replacing the current system with the former k.o. formula, are You?

I'm with Rob, bring back to knock out format.

[Silver Bee]

Not with so many riders, though. Needs a new format if it's to be brought back.

[frigbo]

I'm with Rob, bring back to knock out format.

 

I would go with that. Proper entertainment where every single place in every race was vital.

[barrow boy]

I think each GP must have a final and I also think that the winner should gain the most points. I would also welcome the KO system back but yes with less riders who should be given at least 4 rides somehow in the meeting. Going back to my original post however with the present format I think the top point scorers deserve to be given preference when the KO stage has been reached.

[Bavarian]

I would go with that. Proper entertainment where every single place in every race was vital.

 

Was it?

 

I thought with the knock our formula it did not matter if Your were winning a race or finish second, as there were no points awarded and all You needed was to be in the top two in each race. And therefore it did not matter at all if You were going out as the third or fourth placed loser of the k.o. race.

 

And the best of that system was to see some of the riders just twice on the track. Or how about the top eight sitting out the first half of the show.

 

 

 

[spook]

I also thought the knockout format was good ... but it did have some failings

 

first of all it was proving to be a money pit for those at the bottom of the standings...... in fact it wasnt exactly great for those at the sweet sixteen phase....... and this is ultimately why they got rid of it....... there would need to be a cash injection before it came back

 

the riders in the qualifiers were caught in a trap... a financial and ontrack one....... losing money meant speculating to accumulate (but against the odds) or tightening up.... most appeared to take the latter route and the difference in machinery had become very obvious

 

The ontrack trap was having to work that much harder to be on an even keel with others........... and of course at a time in the meeting when the track is at its worst = gate positions deciding

 

As much as I liked the system I thought that it was quite fitting that its last year was the year it helped to end Mark Loram's World Championship career...... as much as it may have helped him in 2000 it did him no favours later on and it is the current format that he would have thrived with imo

[T.N.T.]

I would rather points are carried forward.

 

Double points awarded in the Semi Finals and Finals, so if a rider finishes the 20 heats with 14 and then gets third in the Semi-Final, his 16 points maybe enough to get him through. Riders scrapping through on 8 points would struggle to get to the final unless they win the semi-final but a second place would at least give them 12 GP points.

 

 

Maybe the top 8 could get a 3 point bonus for making the semi finals too so a rider going unbeaten could get 30 GP points.

[Beeone]

I would go with that. Proper entertainment where every single place in every race was vital.

 

Surely it wasn't though, a rider could be comfortable in second place and not need to battle for the race win, second would keep you in.

I didn't like that system, guys travelling across Europe and maybe only getting a couple of starts was just not practical.

[srbramble]

And where does that leave the riders in the lower ranks of the field? You do need 16 riders to make up a GP, and this system only works for the top half dozen riders who are able to truly compete for the title. The rest turn up for maybe one. two or three rides, and go home. The system we have now may not be perfect, but each and every rider knows he will get at least 5 rides, an exclusion or an EF may hinder his chances slightly, but at least he has 4 other opportunities to redeem himself. To make the GPs competitive, the FIM need to make some rules up about equipment used. A bit off the wall I know, but why not let them have full control over the engines used. Each rider gets 2 engines, all supplied by the FIM, and all tuned by the same person to the exact same spec, and then randomly given out to the riders. All other equipment used to be at each riders own preference. Every engine has the same power output, and it is then up to the skill of the mechanic and rider on the night.

[bruno]

i dont see how a rider who finishes 8th deserves a chance to get to the final.i would prefer top 2 to the final with 3rd to 6th in a semi and first 2 in the semi thru to the final

[Man in black]

......... To make the GPs competitive, the FIM need to make some rules up about equipment used. A bit off the wall I know, but why not let them have full control over the engines used. Each rider gets 2 engines, all supplied by the FIM, and all tuned by the same person to the exact same spec, and then randomly given out to the riders. All other equipment used to be at each riders own preference. Every engine has the same power output, and it is then up to the skill of the mechanic and rider on the night.

 

 

Nice idea, but it won't make any difference. The same guys will still win because they are, quite simply, the best riders. At SGP level, there's already very little difference between the power output of the engines. This is one of the great things about speedway - it's 95% rider skill and 5% machinery, unlike F1 which is the other way round.

[barrow boy]

i dont see how a rider who finishes 8th deserves a chance to get to the final.i would prefer top 2 to the final with 3rd to 6th in a semi and first 2 in the semi thru to the final

I somewhat agree with your first point but by allowing the top 2 to go straight to the final they would not have to race off again to qualify. By allowing the 3rd and 4th highest scores to go staight to the second semi final their job is easier than the 5th to 8th who would be required to race off twice to qualify making their job much more difficult than those who scored more than them.

[bruno]

I somewhat agree with your first point but by allowing the top 2 to go straight to the final they would not have to race off again to qualify. By allowing the 3rd and 4th highest scores to go staight to the second semi final their job is easier than the 5th to 8th who would be required to race off twice to qualify making their job much more difficult than those who scored more than them.

 

im sorry barrowboy i keep reading your reply but no understand.could you put it in english or better still black country there would only be one semi final by the way.obviously it would have to have a name change.this race would have the riders who finished 3rd to 6th.

Edited February 11, 2010 by bruno

[barrow boy]

im sorry barrowboy i keep reading your reply but no understand.could you put it in english or better still black country there would only be one semi final by the way.obviously it would have to have a name change.this race would have the riders who finished 3rd to 6th.

My original topic opening post will explain Bruno