Gothenberg Gp 08/05

[liverpool chad]

Why did he "have" to bail out? No one has to bail out!!! . The only reason he had to bail out was to guarantee a stoppage and get a chance of a re run. Shocking riding and just as bad referees decision to award that sort of riding.

 

He had to bail out because Hans Andersen barged in front of Harris in an illegitimate move causing Harris to lose control of his bike. It's not rocket science! I can't believe it is even being debated.

 

[pawel115]

Nice win for JAWA too as he is the only one in GP that still rides it.

[Jacques]

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So you do actually watch Speedway???? I could have sworn you spent your life listening to and analysing Nigel Pearson like someone with OCD <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="" border="0" alt="blink.gif" /> <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/unsure.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="" border="0" alt="unsure.gif" /><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

 

 

Actually, I do suffer with Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder, which has nothing to do with my dislike of Pearson. OCD is a serious and disabling disorder that is listed by the World Health Organisation to be one of the most serious illness in terms of quality of life, and loss of income. Last week I was talking to a lady whose daughter took her own life because she could no longer tolerate the OCD thoughts. OCD is not about being obsessed with football, speedway or obsessed with a certain celeb, it involves intrusive unwelcome thoughts that a person does not want, often about harm coming to a loved one or themselves, unless they carry out mental or physical compulsions.

 

So please, insult me, call me every name under the sun for my opinions, but do not confuse my dislike for Pearson Commentary (I don't know him as a person, it is commendatory I have huge problems with, and I am not alone) with OCD, to do so would be disrespectful to all those people with OCD that spend every day fighting an awful debilitating illness just to carry out normal everyday functions that you take for granted.

 

Like I say, I am a big boy, I don't care if you all call me every name under the sun for my opinions, but please also visit the other threads that have been around for a while and also have a pop at them, that is my first comment I have made about Pearson all season.

 

 

You know, a few years ago I would have been embarrassed and ashamed to admit that I suffer with OCD, but not any more. I am sure I will be ridiculed for it by some on here, but that is more a reflection of them that it is myself.

 

For many years when I watched speedway, unlike everyone else who would just go home, go to bed, for me it involved 1-2 hours of compulsive rituals to 'feel' clean, and if we had just driven back 100-200 miles after an away match, it was not much fun I can tell you. I guess what I am trying to say seeing as someone else used OCD to score points, please don't confuse OCD like the media do to be a 'quirky' little illness, it is far from that, I can assure you.

 

Lecture over... feel free to take the pi55 now.

 

A lot of people have physical and mental disabilities on here and suffer day to day stuggles with those. You are not unique ! I was making a point about your obssessive posts about NP, which are boring in the extreme. I don't really know why you felt the need to give me/us your medical history..as you ssay it has nothing to do with your dislike of Pearson I have no intention of ridiculing your medical condition. But I have and will comment on your posts.

Edited May 9, 2010 by Jacques

[colincooke]

This wasn't really that enjoyanble a GP, but i'm comparing to leszno so maybe that's a little unfair.

Credit has to go for getting the meeting going & tbh the track held out really well & there was some improvement later in the meeting.

I'll add my twopenneth to the Harris/Andersen debate.

 

Hans elbowed Bomber & put him off balance, it was an unneccessary move, he would have got passed Chris eventually anyway & didn't need to be so desperate.

Ziegler got the decision correct, no brainer.

[Guest Ashie Smashy]

A lot of people have physical and mental disabilities on here and suffer day to day stuggles with those. You are not unique ! I was making a point about your obssessive posts about NP, which are boring in the extreme. I don't really know why you felt the need to give me/us your medical history..as you ssay it has nothing to do with your dislike of Pearson I have no intention of ridiculing your medical condition. But I have and will comment on your posts.

 

Clearly I did not make myself clear enough, I was making a comment about your incorrect, and offensive use of the term OCD in your little dig at me. As I also pointed out, I have rarely commented this season at all, in fact I think that was my first comment this season, and plenty of other people have commented. So it would appear everyone else is allowed to comment about Mr Pearson's Commentary Style, but I am not.

[tocha]

<!--quoteo(post=1724268:date=May 8 2010, 11:04 PM:name=Jason.C)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jason.C @ May 8 2010, 11:04 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1724268"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->FWIW, i feel Bomber should be congratulated for having the lightning quick reactions and the quick foresight to jump off the back of the bike. He was obviously unbalanced by HA and if he had held on, would of collided into HA anyway, causing a greater accident.

 

Perhaps if Bomber hadn't jumped off the back, this would of happened?

 

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Very similar accident but with the roles reversed.

 

Even more similar is this crash at Rye House between Luke Bowen and Tomas Topinka. (Its from Anglia News so you have to watch the ad. first)

http://www.itv.com/anglia/high-speed-crash-drama51719/

[tocha]

<!--quoteo(post=1724268:date=May 8 2010, 11:04 PM:name=Jason.C)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jason.C @ May 8 2010, 11:04 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1724268"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->FWIW, i feel Bomber should be congratulated for having the lightning quick reactions and the quick foresight to jump off the back of the bike. He was obviously unbalanced by HA and if he had held on, would of collided into HA anyway, causing a greater accident.

 

Perhaps if Bomber hadn't jumped off the back, this would of happened?

 

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Very similar accident but with the roles reversed.

 

Even more similar is this crash at Rye House between Luke Bowen and Tomas Topinka. (Its from Anglia News so you have to watch the ad. first)

http://www.itv.com/anglia/high-speed-crash-drama51719/

[pandorum]

Not bad considering the way the weather affected the track. Makes you wonder what it would have been like if not for the rain. Some decent racing and some good passing and an exciting finale.

But the crowd was non existent which is a worry. Obviously a few got put off by the weather but surely all those who bought tickets turned up?

That along with the lack of sponsors must be a worry for taking GP forward. They may have a few meeting sponsors like Exide who are in for 4 meetings but have no substantial GP sponsor.

Considering the coverage this must be a worry.

 

And as far as the Andersen/Harris clash I could not believe what came out of his and Taters mouth. Hans headbutted Chris arm to get past him. I have seen some weird ways of passing but that was a classic. The ref was quite correct and anyone who saw it different must have been either Hans family or drunk

 

Mind you the late great Jack Millen would have approved I am sure

Edited May 9, 2010 by pandorum

[mickthemuppet]

Did anybody notice the crowd at last night's GP. It looked absolutely terrible. They had 17000 two years ago and 14000 last year . Last nights attendance looked about half that

Edited May 9, 2010 by mickthemuppet

[Ghostwalker]

Did anybody notice the crowd at last night's GP. It looked absolutely terrible. They had 17000 two years ago and 14000 last year . Last nights attendance looked about half that

 

i think i read somewhere that there was about 10-11'000 ticktes sold at the beginning of the week.

 

I am not sure but i think that Gbg have a year left on their contract with BSI but that BSI will move the GP to the new Swedbank Arena in Stockholm.

That Arena is more similar to MC in Cardiff and Parken in Copenhagen.

[T.N.T.]

Not a bad meeting considering the rain, sadly the Wolves pairing of Freddie and Tai finished 15th and 16th, but there are still 9 more rounds to go and I'm sure Freddie will come good soon.

 

 

The Hans/Bomber clash was a difficult one to call and either could have been excluded.

 

 

Hans HAD passed Bomber

 

Bomber lost control because Hans blocked his run

 

The Contact was before the fall

 

 

 

These would point to Bomber being excluded, but then you have to look at

 

 

Bomber fell because Hans cut across him

 

The contact was enough to out balance Bomber and left him no choice

 

Bombers bike was hooked up on Hans's back wheel and he had to go down

 

 

 

These would point to Hans going ...... Either way, it was the refs call and he decided it was Hans that was at fault. ....... I would possibly say it was more Bombers fault the race was stopped .... but only just !

 

 

 

Good to see the old boys amongst the points and racing their hearts out. Zorro, Herbie and Tomasz were all good battling riders in thos conditions while Emil made a few important mistakes.

[Humphrey Appleby]

But the crowd was non existent which is a worry. Obviously a few got put off by the weather but surely all those who bought tickets turned up? That along with the lack of sponsors must be a worry for taking GP forward. They may have a few meeting sponsors like Exide who are in for 4 meetings but have no substantial GP sponsor.

 

But I thought we were reassured last year, that IMG were taking the SGP forward to a new level?

 

And any suggestions that the sponsors don't exactly look blue chip were roundly refuted.., although it was difficult to tell whether there were any sponsors at all in Gothenburg such was the dirt covering their banners.

[Phlipphlopp]

But I thought we were reassured last year, that IMG were taking the SGP forward to a new level?

 

And any suggestions that the sponsors don't exactly look blue chip were roundly refuted.., although it was difficult to tell whether there were any sponsors at all in Gothenburg such was the dirt covering their banners.

Hence why Ole Olsen never had any dirt down when he was in charge .

[SCOTLAND1314]

Phew... hats off to all the riders for making a go of the Gothenburg GP, I thought we'd gone all that way for a rain off.

 

Track was obviously different from the one on offer at practice, the day before, as was the weather and that may have thrown a few riders a curve ball on their set up.

 

It's a shame the weather intervened as the latter races showed what could have been on offer for the other more processional races.

 

That said, well done to Bjerre, even though he prevented my e/w bet on Tomasz McGollob coming to full fruition.

 

Interesting (like Pawel115 said) that Bjerre is one of very few riders still using Jawa (Woffinden was another and I think Lindgren uses them some of the time, the latter according to the programme)

 

Shame about the crowd size.

 

As for the Harris/Andersen crash, at real time speed it was a toughy and my initial instinct on seeing the replay was it's Andersen's fault but from one of the angles shown in the stadium (and I guess on TV) Harris seemed in control after Andersen had passed him until he hit a rut and then bailed out.

Edited May 10, 2010 by SCOTLAND1314

[The Know]

Nice win for JAWA too as he is the only one in GP that still rides it.

 

think ya find tai rides jawa to.

[bruno]

hard to understand how folk are saying harris could have stayed on.obviously people who have never rode a motorbike never mind a speedway bike .in case some folk dont know they dont have any brakes!!!!

[Reviresco]

Just back from Ullevi. Well done to everyone for getting the meeting on and finished. All the riders should take great credit. Brilliant to see KB winning an SGP at last. Tomasz was very fair to him when he'd got back under him and going round 3 & 4, no doubt others would have shown him the fence. Good to see TG and Greg back amongst it again. Holder is a fine addition and Zorro looks quick and up to GP standard - two last blue gates finished his chances off for a Final. Tai looks slightly out of his depth, but you have to start somewhere. Championship shaping up nicely after 2 GPs. Lets hope it continues.

 

Incredible race down the back straight and into turn 3 in the Final. Amazing effort by Hans to squeeze past Bomber, but it just didn't work. Glad both weren't injured. Just watched it on Sky+ and damn it was close to being unbelievable tekkers by Hans. Guess he wished he'd waited until turn 1 now though.

Edited May 10, 2010 by macca56

[Mark]

This wasn't really that enjoyanble a GP, but i'm comparing to leszno so maybe that's a little unfair.

Credit has to go for getting the meeting going & tbh the track held out really well & there was some improvement later in the meeting.

I'll add my twopenneth to the Harris/Andersen debate.

 

Hans elbowed Bomber & put him off balance, it was an unneccessary move, he would have got passed Chris eventually anyway & didn't need to be so desperate.

Ziegler got the decision correct, no brainer.

 

 

Disagree. Andersen went under his elbow and there isnt a rule that prevents that. By the time they got to the bend both were in full control, hans was in the lead, but Bomber went into the back of Hans rather than shutting off so he had to bail out. Hans only fell because Bombers bike collected him.

 

i agree that he should have waited as he would have got past the Cornish Pastie later in the race. Given the bad conditions it was a brave move that went into an air fence.

[Chris B]

Hans wasn't happy just passing Bomber, he had to turn left across the front of him. No need for it as he had enough speed to pass him cleanly and they could have both stopped on.