iris123 Posted November 16, 2009 Report Share Posted November 16, 2009 I'd have liked to have seen a field including Rico, Ulamek and Walasek as oppossed to Harris, Tai and Freddie. All up and coming, exciting, fearless young talents with plenty to prove and lots to gain. The statement doesn't work once you include Harris unfortunately He brings very little to the GP table.About as much as Ulamek and Walasek i would say..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superguest Posted November 16, 2009 Report Share Posted November 16, 2009 (edited) The statement doesn't work once you include Harris unfortunately He brings very little to the GP table.About as much as Ulamek and Walasek i would say..... Sorry mate, but my opinion of Harris is totally bias. I've seen the guy pull off some amazing moves, shame his craft is totally wasted on the continent. Edited November 16, 2009 by superguest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted November 16, 2009 Report Share Posted November 16, 2009 Sorry mate, but my opinion of Harris is totally bias. I've seen the guy pull off some amazing moves, shame his craft is totally wasted on the continent. I can quite believe you.Trouble is we are talking about GPs only here and he just isn't a GP rider.I'd rather see Nicolai in them than Harris And next year Nic will have to watch out that LiGlad doesn't overtake him anyway......At least Walasek and Ulamek managed to qualify by right.Only one of them with home track advantage,which Harris couldn't use.And just imagine where he would have finished if the thing was held on another track.It all feels a bit embarassing to be a Brit abroad and read and hear some of the things said.......how the tables have turned Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted November 16, 2009 Report Share Posted November 16, 2009 Well if people want it all being decided on merit,how about just having 1 nominated rider.Tai being a Brit would guarantee at least 1 one British representative,he is young and alot of people see him as a future world champion,so give him the wild card pick. Then perhaps 9th and 10th in the GP's should be automatically seeded,after all the 9th best GP rider would surely generally be in the top 15 riders in the world.Same with 10th.That would mean Hans and Freddie would have earnt a GP place. Finally award the last GP spot to the 4th highest scorer from the actual GP qualifier,that was Freddie but as he has would have already qualified it would go to the 5th highest scorer ie Bomber. Therefore the 4 extra riders next year would be Hans,Freddie,Tai and Bomber who then would have largely been picked on merit,rather than the haphazard method presently used. Well here's an idea. How's about Bomber pulls his finger out next year and gets himself into the top eight... Then you won't have to worry yourself about a nomination for him at all... It's radical I know... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted November 16, 2009 Report Share Posted November 16, 2009 (edited) I say only in part because once you (not you personally necessarily) accept that there will probably always be two Brits in the series you have to assess who will best represent his country. Harris' nomination can be justified. You're right as a general comment. But if being national champion and finishing higher in the qualifying process is to have any value whatsoever then Harris is the obvious choice as currently the best Brit. If being the highest placed Brit in the qualifying rounds means nothing then where is the incentive for any Brit to enter in future? Besides didn't Nicholls qualify by right when Richardson last failed to qualify? And as I stated previously Harris has two GP medals to Rico's one and I imagine they have competed in roughly the same number of GPs. Zorro is the national champion and finished higher than any of his countrymen in the qualifying rounds. His place in the GP series next season is fully justified. If you think that one race is not enough to show who the best rider is I assume you don't like the current format whereby the GP Champion is decided in a one-off race? A rider could qualify for the final having only scored six points and recorded second in the semi-final and go on to beat a rider that has recorded six straight wins. Surely that's not right? ----------------------- Everyone would have a different idea of who the best 15 riders in the world are and I doubt there would ever be 100% agreement between the FIM, SKY (or other tv companies), the fans or even the riders. If you simply want to select the best 15 riders in the world there would still be arguments over the last few places awarded. If you want a qualifying process then the likes of Zorro and Harris can have their place in the series justified while the likes of Lindback and Zagar miss out. A lot of people want to see the one-off final return. I dread to think what the reaction to some of the surprise exits/surprise qualifications would be like on here. Personally I think the balance between automatic qualification, qualification through the various rounds and nominations is about right. As someone else already stated - it gives the chance to put in a rider that may have missed out more through injury than any other reason, and also riders for commercial purposes. Like it or loathe it the latter must be a consideration. If there were still a Slovenian GP I would have expected to see Zagar get the nod. the world champion is not decided in one race The champion is decided ine a series of races., which is why there are 11 GPs. The champion is the one who have the best combines score from ALL Gps. Which is the direct opposite of what you says about one race. The same system is used, in WRC, F1, Moto GP where the champion is decided in a SERIES. One race is not a series, Also one race is too circumstantial IMO. Definition of series: Noun Singular series Plural series series (plural series) 1. A number of things that follow on one after the other or are connected one after the other. How to decide who the best 15 is? well it wouldn't be so hard to have a database where the number of scored points and ridden heats and use it to calculate an average in the same way as in the leagues. Edited November 16, 2009 by Ghostwalker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornishman Posted November 16, 2009 Report Share Posted November 16, 2009 Er, because you didn't have to win just one race to win it...!!! You have to get through 7 races to win a gp too, so thats not just one race Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superguest Posted November 16, 2009 Report Share Posted November 16, 2009 I can quite believe you.Trouble is we are talking about GPs only here and he just isn't a GP rider.I'd rather see Nicolai in them than Harris And next year Nic will have to watch out that LiGlad doesn't overtake him anyway......At least Walasek and Ulamek managed to qualify by right.Only one of them with home track advantage,which Harris couldn't use.And just imagine where he would have finished if the thing was held on another track.It all feels a bit embarassing to be a Brit abroad and read and hear some of the things said.......how the tables have turned Which again proves how stupid the GPs are... when a rider of Nicolai's ability might actually do OK in the GP's yet Harris will always struggle. I will be watching Liglads scoring this year... is he signed up to ride in Poland and Sweden? I mentioned him on the Wolves site as a possible replacement for Hynek but it didn't get many replies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted November 16, 2009 Report Share Posted November 16, 2009 You have to get through 7 races to win a gp too, so thats not just one race Er, I was responding to the comment about those (like me!) who favour a return to the proper World Championship. I wasn't saying that in either format you could ever win the title in one race.. BUT as 21st century heathen says there's no doubt that when it comes to formats the most patently flawed one is the current GP system where as he says, .... the GP Champion is decided in a one-off race A rider could qualify for the final having only scored six points and recorded second in the semi-final and go on to beat a rider that has recorded six straight wins. Surely that's not right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.N.T. Posted November 16, 2009 Report Share Posted November 16, 2009 Freddie, Hans and Tai were nailed on certainties for 2010 but the only choice they had to make was which other Brit got a place. For me Eddie Kennett is not and never will be a GP rider but then again you have to wonder how many chances Bomber is going to get to qualify on his own right. Why they have to have 2 Brits in is a joke really and while I wish Tai all the best for 2010, I dont think he will get in the top 8 and if both Brits fail to make it in the top 8 then they should look at reducing it to just one Brit in 2011. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beeone Posted November 16, 2009 Report Share Posted November 16, 2009 (edited) When has he said he doesn't like Chris Harris ? He has however, highlighted the unprofessional and disgraceful way Chris Harris conducted himself in the CWR interview.. Ok so substitute 'rate' for 'like' And by the way, what did he say on CWR, I didn't hear that part of the show, just caught the end of it Edited to say; - Ok just found the thread about CWR, not such a big deal IMO we all knew they didn't get along for ages, maybe should have kept it off air but he's not a trained broadcaster is he, maybe it was just something said on the spur of the moment. By the way, I'm far from being Chris Harris' biggest fan in case anyone thinks otherwise, but as I said on Nicholls' repeated inclusion in th GP series, he would be mad to turn it down if it is where he wants to be and it is offered Edited November 16, 2009 by Beeone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sprog1 Posted November 16, 2009 Report Share Posted November 16, 2009 Freddie, Hans and Tai were nailed on certainties for 2010 but the only choice they had to make was which other Brit got a place. For me Eddie Kennett is not and never will be a GP rider but then again you have to wonder how many chances Bomber is going to get to qualify on his own right. Why they have to have 2 Brits in is a joke really and while I wish Tai all the best for 2010, I dont think he will get in the top 8 and if both Brits fail to make it in the top 8 then they should look at reducing it to just one Brit in 2011. ....and who should the one brit in 2011 be? Kennett ? Barker ? Steady ? Bridger? Give Nichols another go? The barrell is empty. Might as well face the fact now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samthepalaceman2 Posted November 16, 2009 Report Share Posted November 16, 2009 the world champion is not decided in one race The champion is decided ine a series of races., which is why there are 11 GPs. The champion is the one who have the best combines score from ALL Gps. Which is the direct opposite of what you says about one race. The same system is used, in WRC, F1, Moto GP where the champion is decided in a SERIES. One race is not a series, Also one race is too circumstantial IMO. Definition of series: How to decide who the best 15 is? well it wouldn't be so hard to have a database where the number of scored points and ridden heats and use it to calculate an average in the same way as in the leagues. When 21stch is referring to GP Champion he means the winner of champion of an individual GP event such as Cardiff, not the world championship Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houdi Posted November 17, 2009 Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 (edited) Well here's an idea. How's about Bomber pulls his finger out next year and gets himself into the top eight... Then you won't have to worry yourself about a nomination for him at all. It's radical I know... Thanks for those sage words Nurse Gladys. Perhaps he struggles to get into the top 8,because his poor gating precludes him from being a genuine top 8 rider,maybe he is only a top 15 rider. Have noticed some Swindon fans have been pressing the case of the Swindon asset Richardson over Bomber,yet seemingly none of them actually ever mention him for a possible place in their own team. If he is good enough for the GP's,you would think he would merit a mention in their possible team building options. Edited November 17, 2009 by houdi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21st century heathen Posted November 17, 2009 Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 the world champion is not decided in one race The champion is decided ine a series of races., which is why there are 11 GPs. What he said... When 21stch is referring to GP Champion he means the winner of champion of an individual GP event such as Cardiff, not the world championship Cheers. Glad to see it wasn't lost on everyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted November 17, 2009 Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 Thanks for those sage words Nurse Gladys. Perhaps he struggles to get into the top 8,because his poor gating precludes him from being a genuine top 8 rider,maybe he is only a top 15 rider. Have noticed some Swindon fans have been pressing the case of the Swindon asset Richardson over Bomber,yet seemingly none of them actually ever mention him for a possible place in their own team. If he is good enough for the GP's,you would think he would merit a mention in their possible team building options. Talk about whooosh for 150th time rico is better suited to the slick tracks in gp's than Harris not that none them should in the gp's ....League racing in the uk has nothing to do with how riders fair in gp's . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sprog1 Posted November 17, 2009 Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 Thanks for those sage words Nurse Gladys. Perhaps he struggles to get into the top 8,because his poor gating precludes him from being a genuine top 8 rider,maybe he is only a top 15 rider. Have noticed some Swindon fans have been pressing the case of the Swindon asset Richardson over Bomber,yet seemingly none of them actually ever mention him for a possible place in their own team. If he is good enough for the GP's,you would think he would merit a mention in their possible team building options. Thats because Swindon fans are bright enough to realise that Rico's average is too high to be in a team that already has Leigh Adams. Orion doesn't always get it right but this time he is right on the money i.e.:- a) None of them are really good enough to be in the GP's but;- if you have to pick one of the Brits then Rico's gating and riding style is better suited to the GP tracks than the rest of them. That doesn't mean he is a genuine GP rider it just means he is the most suitable of what we have. Can't spell,it out any plainer that that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted November 17, 2009 Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 Well here's an idea. How's about Bomber pulls his finger out next year and gets himself into the top eight... Then you won't have to worry yourself about a nomination for him at all... It's radical I know... Jacques, however more likely is that he'll finish 13th or 14th in 2010, and then be seeded in again into the 2011 series and this thread will be repeated once more. Can I suggest the thread is retitled "Wildcards - Groundhog Day" as we've been here at least once before All the best Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21st century heathen Posted November 17, 2009 Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 ...League racing in the uk has nothing to do with how riders fair in gp's . As proven by Adams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted November 17, 2009 Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 Thanks for those sage words Nurse Gladys. Perhaps he struggles to get into the top 8,because his poor gating precludes him from being a genuine top 8 rider,maybe he is only a top 15 rider. Have noticed some Swindon fans have been pressing the case of the Swindon asset Richardson over Bomber,yet seemingly none of them actually ever mention him for a possible place in their own team. If he is good enough for the GP's,you would think he would merit a mention in their possible team building options. That's because there is more detritus spouted on here, than there is in a landfill site ... Nurse Gladys eh? you wish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houdi Posted November 18, 2009 Report Share Posted November 18, 2009 Thats because Swindon fans are bright enough to realise that Rico's average is too high to be in a team that already has Leigh Adams. Orion doesn't always get it right but this time he is right on the money i.e.:- a) None of them are really good enough to be in the GP's but;- if you have to pick one of the Brits then Rico's gating and riding style is better suited to the GP tracks than the rest of them. That doesn't mean he is a genuine GP rider it just means he is the most suitable of what we have. Can't spell,it out any plainer that that. Well obviously not all of them are that bright,because some are still asking for Zagar to be included in their possible line up,and last time I checked he had a far higher average than Rico.Poole,Coventry,Peterborough,Swindon,Eastbourne have all tried and discarded him. Bees fans maybe split to an extent over the merits of Bomber and Scott,but I don't know one Bees fan who would ever entertain having Rico anywhere near a Bees team in future. Ask Wolves fans our local rivals who they would rather have in their team,Bomber or Rico.Think you would find the same answer with most tracks.And lets be honest if you could get our asset AJ back ,Lakeside would ditch Rico without a moments pause. Granted both Rico and Bomber haven't been great successes in the GPs,although at least Bomber has actually won one.He has been British champion twice,a title Rico has never ever won;and at least he qualified for the GP challenge. At the end of the day it is a subjective argument,neither is likely to be world champion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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