szkocjasid Posted November 15, 2009 Report Share Posted November 15, 2009 How times change, in 1992 Hans Nielsen a 3 times world champion didn't qualify through the Nordic final and missed out on the world final, these days you can get given a place in the gp series using an unknown criteria (if there is one). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted November 15, 2009 Report Share Posted November 15, 2009 That's a very good point. I think if they had less or no seeded places available more top riders would enter the qualifiers and you should get the best riders through. If a weaker rider qualifies on merit then they deserve to be in it. Why are they so keen on younger riders being seeded in, i've seen some fantastic races over the years starring Adams, Crump ,Hancock & Gollob. If they're so keen on young riders how about Przemysław Pawlicki? i dont think they should get rid of the nominations. What if a rider (i.e Jason Crump) gets injured and misses both several GPs and one round of the qualifications. He then ends the season outside top 8. As it is now he would get a nomination but if you got rid of ther nominations Jason would not be in the GPs... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hatcham Posted November 15, 2009 Report Share Posted November 15, 2009 Obviously SKY TV have had a say in the matter. Why would Sky be to blame ? IF the GP's ran without a British rider, and IF the viewing figures and therefore the advertising revenues dropped, Sky would no doubt pull the plug, however if the numbers continued to add up, Sky would be happy to see 16 Orangutans competing. Why do so many posters see the British nominations as such a unique situation ? Why did Harris get a pick ? because he is British champion Just like Celtic and Rangers get a Champions league shot every season, do they deserve it ? depends on your personal views, clearly they are nowhere near as good as Man City or Tottenham or Aston Villa or for that matter Hull City, but they are the best Scotland has to offer so despite humiliating themselves every season they get a chance. Will Sweden be at the World Cup next year ? no, and why, because they were drawn in a group with Denmark, Poland and Hungary, and were not capable of finishing top or second and winning a play-off, however the far inferior Honduras will be there because all they needed to do was finish third behind Mexico and the USA, beating the likes of El Salvador and Guatemala. Is sport fair ? No, get over it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted November 15, 2009 Report Share Posted November 15, 2009 they are the best Scotland has to offer so despite humiliating themselves every season they get a chance. So Rangers and Celtic reaching the final of the UEFA Cup (as both have done in recent years) are humiliating themselves? Bad example Hatcham. How many Grand Prix finals did Chris Harris reach this season?? All the best Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatface Posted November 15, 2009 Report Share Posted November 15, 2009 Erm...exaggeration? I cant agree with you saying Zager and Lindback are not superior to anyone in next years series, they would both score far higher than Harris in the GP's and maybe not just Harris. Ok, you've misquoted me to make your point. So be it. I said there is no-one left out who is CLEARLY superior to anyone in next year's series. That's CLEARLY. Some would say Lindback, Zagar are superior to Harris. Others would argue the other way. On the other point, I'm looking forward to your list of more exciting moments in Grand Prix history than Chris Harris' 2007 British GP win. Seems like I am CLEARLY wrong there too... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hatcham Posted November 15, 2009 Report Share Posted November 15, 2009 So Rangers and Celtic reaching the final of the UEFA Cup What has the farcical UEFA cup(a competition that even Middlesbough got to the final of) got to do with the Champions league ? teams like Villa and Spurs field weaker sides in the UEFA Cup than they do in the Carling cup. Jesus EVEN my boys have been in the UEFA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted November 15, 2009 Report Share Posted November 15, 2009 (edited) That's a very good point. I think if they had less or no seeded places available more top riders would enter the qualifiers and you should get the best riders through. If a weaker rider qualifies on merit then they deserve to be in it. Why are they so keen on younger riders being seeded in, i've seen some fantastic races over the years starring Adams, Crump ,Hancock & Gollob. If they're so keen on young riders how about Przemysław Pawlicki? there have been some great races over the years between the old boys..... but the writing has been on the wall for a while...... the combination of Ole and the top boys has resulted in sterile and safe tracks and racing..... IMHO Emil has had a bigger effect on the GP's than we perhaps felt at first..... although his chasing back wheels is slightly deranged it has illustrated just how safe some have become in what is ultimately a slightly deranged sport........ it also illustrated the need for more grip on the tracks if it results in guys like him cutting through from the back All that said I cant blame the older guys and playing the %'s is the reason that Crump will be adding another couple of championships if his machinery can stay competitive So Rangers and Celtic reaching the final of the UEFA Cup (as both have done in recent years) are humiliating themselves? Bad example Hatcham. How many Grand Prix finals did Chris Harris reach this season?? All the best Rob tbh I thought it was quite a good comparison...... lets call Bomber's 'drop' out of Champions League qualifiers and into UEFA groups his GP Challenge final tbh I cant help feeling that too much is being made out of it...... arent we already used to this after last year? as others have said werent there only 3 options for 2 places anyway? I find the handout for the Brits as embarrassing as the next fan and I can cast rose tinted glasses back to the good ole days as much as the next fan ..... but time is a funny thing and what is this era's Brit were previously Eastern Europeans... then Aussies... and could be future Scandinavians Edited November 15, 2009 by spook Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Brown Posted November 15, 2009 Report Share Posted November 15, 2009 i dont think they should get rid of the nominations. What if a rider (i.e Jason Crump) gets injured and misses both several GPs and one round of the qualifications. He then ends the season outside top 8. As it is now he would get a nomination but if you got rid of ther nominations Jason would not be in the GPs... Then so be it. Its the world championship, not some invitational tournament That would be the luck of the draw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul84 Posted November 15, 2009 Report Share Posted November 15, 2009 Finally some sense at last great news that Tai Woffinden is now in the GPs we now have young blood in there and it will be a good experience for him. Hans and Freddie also deserve thier places as they are exicting riders with alot to offer the GPs Bomber im happy for him as he is a tryer but unless he makes the top 8 this year it will be his last and im sure he knows that. Good news all round thought well done to those concerned who made the selections. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted November 15, 2009 Report Share Posted November 15, 2009 Finally some sense at last great news that Tai Woffinden is now in the GPs we now have young blood in there and it will be a good experience for him. Hans and Freddie also deserve thier places as they are exicting riders with alot to offer the GPs Bomber im happy for him as he is a tryer but unless he makes the top 8 this year it will be his last and im sure he knows that. Good news all round thought well done to those concerned who made the selections. Wouldnt disagree but Ive got to admit Im surprised Harris is one of the lucky four.He hasnt excatly been a regular visitor to either semi- finals or finals in the GPs but he has got lucky so lets hope he makes the most of it.I thought they might have looked at a Zagar or Pavlic,delighted for Woffinden and the other two were no-brainers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted November 15, 2009 Report Share Posted November 15, 2009 amen to that Richardson not a cat in heels chance of a 2nd chance thankfully. A cat in heels ? not sure they would be able climb fences with those on steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daddy Hammer Posted November 15, 2009 Report Share Posted November 15, 2009 If, by some miracle, he actually does well next year, then I will take all the criticism back, but you have to use his past record as a yardstick, and there are more deserving cases. His league form isn't even good enough to justify his inclusion. Personally, if it had to be another brit, I would have chosen Richardson over Harris. and where did he finish in the british final. also where did he finish in the gp qualifiers............... oh sorry he was behind bomber and eddie in the british final and didn't make the gp qualifier final (although he was ill). sorry but i'm in the opinion that if they decide that there will be 2 brits in the gp's and there isn't any in the top 8 from the previous year, then the british final winner should be one of them, no matter who it is. At least then they have more of an incentive to take part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted November 15, 2009 Report Share Posted November 15, 2009 and where did he finish in the british final. also where did he finish in the gp qualifiers............... oh sorry he was behind bomber and eddie in the british final and didn't make the gp qualifier final (although he was ill). sorry but i'm in the opinion that if they decide that there will be 2 brits in the gp's and there isn't any in the top 8 from the previous year, then the british final winner should be one of them, no matter who it is. At least then they have more of an incentive to take part. Give over.It is bad enough now,but imagine a freak result from the likes of Stead,Screen......take your pick really.And you would want to give a spot in a GP series to them? Someone earlier hit the nail firmly on the head by saying years ago we used to complain that spots in the World Final were taken up by dodgy foreigners.How times have changed.Now the foreigners are shaking their heads that places in a GP series are taken up by dodgy Brits.If that is something to make some people proud,it isn't something that makes me proud i can tell you. Come the start of the GPs i will however be wanting the two of them to do well.But at the moment it is grounds for complaint.If we don't let those in charge know how we feel they will think everything is hunky dory.They will still carry on regardless,but at least if support drops off,they might just have an idea why.Pity we didn't have forums all those years ago when support of speedway dropped rapidly away from those boom years.maybe if those lost supporters had a forum on which they could air their views ...well Promoters would have probably ignored them as well.But they might have been wiser after the event to stop the sport going even further down the ladder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seb the Snail Posted November 15, 2009 Report Share Posted November 15, 2009 .......yet i wonder how many will be waving there british flags at cardiff. The only flag that I've got is navy blue, has lots of pretty stars on it, and says "Mr Clean" in big white letters. I guess it's retired from the GP circus too. A cat in heels? not sure they would be able climb fences with those on steve Priceless orion. and where did he finish in the british final............... oh sorry he was behind bomber and eddie in the british final Was that the meeting when he was the highest scoring rider of the night? Thought so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted November 15, 2009 Report Share Posted November 15, 2009 and where did he finish in the british final. also where did he finish in the gp qualifiers............... oh sorry he was behind bomber and eddie in the british final and didn't make the gp qualifier final (although he was ill). sorry but i'm in the opinion that if they decide that there will be 2 brits in the gp's and there isn't any in the top 8 from the previous year, then the british final winner should be one of them, no matter who it is. At least then they have more of an incentive to take part. The trouble is not all The gp's are not in the uk ....the only have to look at theres scores in poland and sweden and the world cup to know that rico would do better than bomber ...saying that none of them should be anywhere near the gp at moment . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted November 15, 2009 Report Share Posted November 15, 2009 The trouble is not all The gp's are not in the uk ....the only have to look at theres scores in poland and sweden and the world cup to know that rico would do better than bomber ...saying that none of them should be anywhere near the gp at moment . That's if he can be bothered to turn up, or throw a sickie when things aren't going his way. Yeh, Richardson all the way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted November 15, 2009 Report Share Posted November 15, 2009 That's if he can be bothered to turn up, or throw a sickie when things aren't going his way. Yeh, Richardson all the way Most of the Time Harris might as well not turn up if rico only turn up or 5 gp's he would still score more than someone 20 m back after the second bend on slick tracks . But as i said none of them should be in it . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted November 15, 2009 Report Share Posted November 15, 2009 Most of the Time Harris might as well not turn up if rico only turn up or 5 gp's he would still score more than someone 20 m back after the second bend on slick tracks . But as i said none of them should be in it . The highlighted bit, I agree with! Well apart from Tai, if you are referring to him too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted November 15, 2009 Report Share Posted November 15, 2009 Most of the Time Harris might as well not turn up if rico only turn up or 5 gp's he would still score more than someone 20 m back after the second bend on slick tracks . But as i said none of them should be in it . Think you are being a tad hard,on the face of it Harris is lucky to get a pick,I agree,but he is a GP winner and arguably the best of British.Best of a bad bunch you could say,Richardson hardly set the World alight in his last GP attempt and was nowhere near automatic qualification.You could argue niether was Woffinden but he did well in the under-21 Champs and in Poland and Sweden. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted November 15, 2009 Report Share Posted November 15, 2009 Think you are being a tad hard,on the face of it Harris is lucky to get a pick,I agree,but he is a GP winner and arguably the best of British.Best of a bad bunch you could say,Richardson hardly set the World alight in his last GP attempt and was nowhere near automatic qualification.You could argue niether was Woffinden but he did well in the under-21 Champs and in Poland and Sweden. Rico can gate ....simple as that a must on the slick big tracks ....As i said Harris is not the best of british outside britain the facts tell you that . No way is Harris ever going to do anythink in gp's when the tracks are set up as they are now . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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