Ghostwalker Posted November 13, 2009 Report Share Posted November 13, 2009 (edited) Lindback hasn't earnt a chance cos he failed in the qualifiers, yes he has done 2 GP's in 2009 & was superb but couldn't do it when it mattered. Miedzinski is a very very long shot in any case. well they are better riders then Harris and i think its very silly that a rider can finish outside top 8 year after year and still get a a nomination ahead of other better riders. They deserve it just as much as Harris It was the same with Nicholls who received nomination after nomination despite failing top 8. Now the story repeats its elf with Harris. Again how many chances should Harris get? 4,5,6,7,8,9,10? Harris haver failed three years in a row now and he have actually gone backwards. He finished 9th the first year, 13th last year and 14th this seaso and people actually think he still deserves a nomination? and as far as i know Tai didn't go particularly far in the qualifiers either and he is not better then any of the ones above. And why should the qualifying process be the only decider about who's in or not? Edited November 13, 2009 by Ghostwalker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salty Posted November 13, 2009 Report Share Posted November 13, 2009 Lindback hasn't earnt a chance cos he failed in the qualifiers, yes he has done 2 GP's in 2009 & was superb but couldn't do it when it mattered. Miedzinski is a very very long shot in any case. But you could say that about every rider who didn't qualify by right. Harris failed to qualify via finishing in the top 8 and also failed via the GP Challenge. This is now his 4th nomination as a seeded rider which is becoming a bit comical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superguest Posted November 13, 2009 Report Share Posted November 13, 2009 if Holder had not qualified at Coventry the chances are he would not been given a wild card because of the perceived need to have 2 British riders in, despite the fact that he has more talent that the two of them put together. Lets just remember throughout the GP season that Harris and Woffenden are there on selection, not on merit. Well Lindgren would have qualifed and freed up another WC spot for Holder. So you'd like to run the GP's with just 12 riders then? Lindback, Davidsson and Zagar possibly worth more of a shout than Tai and Harris but all the while you go on about the Qualifier - 1 outta the 3 made it to the final! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARK246 Posted November 13, 2009 Report Share Posted November 13, 2009 and as far as i know Tai didn't go particularly far in the qualifiers either and he is not better then any of the ones above. Woffinden and Lindbäck were both eliminated at the Motala Semi Final. Woffinden scored 5 points, Lindbäck scored 7, with all the statistics neither will do much at GP level. But on nationality Woffinden choose a winner, if he would have stayed an Aussie he would need to wait till Crump retired. Now he can guarantee the same 4 years as Harris regardless of results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sprog1 Posted November 13, 2009 Report Share Posted November 13, 2009 Well Lindgren would have qualifed and freed up another WC spot for Holder. So you'd like to run the GP's with just 12 riders then? Lindback, Davidsson and Zagar possibly worth more of a shout than Tai and Harris but all the while you go on about the Qualifier - 1 outta the 3 made it to the final! How do you know Lingren would have freed up another spot for Holder. Take a step back from the present situation. Is it by any stretch of the imagination fair that riders get seeded through just because the are British while more talented riders are left out ? I am not knocking Harris and Woofinden as individuals but the system of selection cannot be regarded as fair, especially as there are no fixed criteria selection, just opinions of officials. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Brown Posted November 13, 2009 Report Share Posted November 13, 2009 Would I be right in saying that Chris Harris has NEVER qualified for the GP series 2007 - Nominated as a Permanent wildcard 2008 - Nominated as a Permanent wildcard 2009 - Nominated as a Permanent wildcard 2010 - Nominated as a Permanent wildcard Now I am all for giving people a chance but for goodness sake this is his 4th nomination for something he has NEVER qualified for Taking the mickey if you ask me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Brown Posted November 13, 2009 Report Share Posted November 13, 2009 Lindback hasn't earnt a chance cos he failed in the qualifiers, yes he has done 2 GP's in 2009 & was superb but couldn't do it when it mattered. Miedzinski is a very very long shot in any case. In fairness 2009 was the first time Harris bothered with the qualifiers, can't remember anyone saying he should not have been considered in previous years as he didn't get through the qualifiers l Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted November 13, 2009 Report Share Posted November 13, 2009 But on nationality Woffinden choose a winner, if he would have stayed an Aussie he would need to wait till Crump retired. He didn't "change"... He has always ridden internationally as a Brit. Coz born in England of two English parents makes one, 100%, British!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted November 13, 2009 Report Share Posted November 13, 2009 (edited) Would I be right in saying that Chris Harris has NEVER qualified for the GP series 2007 - Nominated as a Permanent wildcard 2008 - Nominated as a Permanent wildcard 2009 - Nominated as a Permanent wildcard 2010 - Nominated as a Permanent wildcard Now I am all for giving people a chance but for goodness sake this is his 4th nomination for something he has NEVER qualified for Taking the mickey if you ask me Chris, I thought Nicholls had a poor record (qualified 3 times, seeded 5 times) but it's nothing on Harris. Nothing against the bloke, but he shouldn't be in the series next year. This year he finished 14th out of 15. It seems ridiculous that riders of the quality of Lindback and Ward are not in the series, and yet Harris is. EDIT: And Chris, there's no such thing as a permanent wildcard. He's either a seeded rider or a nominated rider. All the best Rob Edited November 13, 2009 by lucifer sam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted November 13, 2009 Report Share Posted November 13, 2009 He didn't "change"... He has always ridden internationally as a Brit. Coz born in England of two English parents makes one, 100%, British!!! Parsloes, for once we are in complete agreement. Woffinden is 100% British. In fact, some would say he's more British than Mark Loram. All the best Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenryW Posted November 13, 2009 Report Share Posted November 13, 2009 Chris, I thought Nicholls had a poor record (qualified 3 times, seeded 5 times) but it's nothing on Harris. Nothing against the bloke, but he shouldn't be in the series next year. This year he finished 14th out of 15. It seems ridiculous that riders of the quality of Lindback and Ward are not in the series, and yet Harris is. Totally agree. Harris missed out on the top eight this year by 36 points. Last year he missed out by 22. Since moving back to the 16 man field, has any other rider even come close to failing by so much and being let back in? To put Chris' failure into perspective, In the last 3 years that Scotty received a nomination (2008, 2006 and 2005), he failed to make the cut by 3, 8 and 8 respectively....For all that we moaned about Scott getting those places, at least he was in contention for a top 8 slot....Harris has been a mile wide of the mark the last two years. Just to add shame to his nomination, he even had the GP Challenge at his home track and STILL failed to get through. It's utterly unbelievable that such serial failure can be rewarded with a place in the SGP again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted November 13, 2009 Report Share Posted November 13, 2009 Totally agree. Harris missed out on the top eight this year by 36 points. Last year he missed out by 22. Since moving back to the 16 man field, has any other rider even come close to failing by so much and being let back in? To put Chris' failure into perspective, In the last 3 years that Scotty received a nomination (2008, 2006 and 2005), he failed to make the cut by 3, 8 and 8 respectively....For all that we moaned about Scott getting those places, at least he was in contention for a top 8 slot....Harris has been a mile wide of the mark the last two years. Just to add shame to his nomination, he even had the GP Challenge at his home track and STILL failed to get through. It's utterly unbelievable that such serial failure can be rewarded with a place in the SGP again. A very good point! It's an extraordinary decision.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandorum Posted November 13, 2009 Report Share Posted November 13, 2009 Wuffy by all means. look forward to seeing him in GP he won't let himself down especially if his dad makes it to see him in a GP. but harris? what a joke. plenty more entertaining than him. lindback would have been good. zagar might have been interesting but seeing chris finish 14th to 16th every round aint my idea of fun. and where does this wuffy is not a brit nonsense come from? it seems that brit speedway fans and certain commentators who should know better have never heard of rob woffinden and scunthorpe. young wuffy will do the country proud i have no doubt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUDGIE Posted November 13, 2009 Report Share Posted November 13, 2009 The powers that be decided that there should be 2 Brits in the series,probably for commercial reasons, but the 2 that are in it are the correct 2 to be chosen in my opinion. You can argue for the whole closed season if you want but its the original decision that should be called into question not the chosing of Harris and Woffinden. Just as a point are there any former GP winners that ar'n't in the 2010 GP series? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted November 13, 2009 Report Share Posted November 13, 2009 4 poor choices Woffy not good enough yet and stll acting like a baby ..... Hans gone backwards in the last two years and looks on the slide Freddie ...is clueless on the bigger tracks and looks like the new scott nicholls will never finish in the top eight and has to rely on the begging bowl every year . Harris ....a complete joke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fliss44 Posted November 13, 2009 Report Share Posted November 13, 2009 Chris, I thought Nicholls had a poor record (qualified 3 times, seeded 5 times) but it's nothing on Harris. Nothing against the bloke, but he shouldn't be in the series next year. This year he finished 14th out of 15. It seems ridiculous that riders of the quality of Lindback and Ward are not in the series, and yet Harris is. But for some reason ''The mighty Bomber'' is considered to be superior? What a joke!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted November 13, 2009 Report Share Posted November 13, 2009 Here's to hoping Chris get's back on the radio & has a dig at these characters too. Hoping for too much, thought so!!! Why? We are telling the truth as we see it. He just had a go at you because you are meant to be a fan of his and Coventry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno Posted November 13, 2009 Report Share Posted November 13, 2009 4 poor choices Woffy not good enough yet and stll acting like a baby ..... Hans gone backwards in the last two years and looks on the slide Freddie ...is clueless on the bigger tracks and looks like the new scott nicholls will never finish in the top eight and has to rely on the begging bowl every year . Harris ....a complete joke might as well add crump gollob nicki bjerre hancock emil etc etc what im trying to say is who deserves it more than lindgren and hans!! name names Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilWatson Posted November 13, 2009 Report Share Posted November 13, 2009 I take it these are the non-wildcards announced on the official Speedway Grand Prix site under the title: '2010 SGP wildcards announced', in a story that goes on to say: 'The FIM Speedway Grand Prix commission and BSI Speedway, rights holders of the FIM Speedway World Championships, has today announced the full rider line up for the 2010 FIM Speedway Grand Prix series (SGP), including the four riders that have been awarded a permanent wild card place.' Those non-wildcards? Edit: Actually, apologies Neil. Having jumped from page one to page four to post and now gone back, I can see you have dealt with the whole wildcard/permanent wildcard/seeded/nominated etc etc issue! I think there are at least two threads here too (been merged by mods) just to make it more confusing!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salty Posted November 13, 2009 Report Share Posted November 13, 2009 Woffinden and Lindbäck were both eliminated at the Motala Semi Final. Woffinden scored 5 points, Lindbäck scored 7, with all the statistics neither will do much at GP level. But on nationality Woffinden choose a winner, if he would have stayed an Aussie he would need to wait till Crump retired. Now he can guarantee the same 4 years as Harris regardless of results. Woffinden was actually eliminated in his qualifier, where he only finished as reserve. He then got into the Motala semi through injury, but again failed to progress. I think his seeding for 2010 owes a lot to his improvement throughout the year as well as the impact Emil made in 2009 showing that youngsters could make an impact. Not to mention that he made the wise decision to ride under the British flag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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