Prague May 22nd Its Official This Time

[manchesterpaul]

I am possibly in a minority, but for the Gollob/Jonsson incident I thought the ref made a call that was right.

 

I would, however, agree that the commentary team make much more out of a race than there really is...I was watching the match with a bunch of friends who have never seen speedway before. I winced every time I heard Pearson claim that a race was as good as you will ever see in the sport...I had to make sure that the others knew that he was talking nonsense when he said that. It surely does nothing for the sport when he makes such claims and it's patently not true...Anyone watching for the first time will hear that and think, "Oh, that's as good as it gets...no point watching that again."

 

I'm very surprised that despite repeat showings of the rear angle view the commentators claimed Jonsson's leg was taken away. A perfect parallel is when a footballer stays on his feet in the penalty box despite the close attention of a defender and doesn't get a penalty given when it would be easier to fall down and gain such a decision. It was Jonsson's amazing speedy and dexterous ability to avoid the back wheel of Gollob that meant he was never touched. He lifted his leg over from the leading front of Gollob's wheel to behind the dirt deflector. Whilst that likely saved him from a horrible crash it also meant there was no contact and therefore Jonsson was excluded for coming off his bike and as such the cause of the stoppage.

 

I agree i also cringed when the commentator often said this is outstanding speedway etc when IT WAS NOT. The exact thought went through my mind at such times that, if anyone takes that statement at face value they will indeed think that this is the peak of the excitement and 'big deal'. I knew there was plenty of superior races to come - which there duly was. He doesn't seem able to read a race either, he'll say this is an amazing battle and it is clear that at the exit of the bend or down the straight the riders are about to be spread out. It's a very stupid and damaging exaggeration that does nothing but harm to the sport as far as keeping non speedway viewers tuned in.

 

Overall i enjoyed the meeting and there were plenty of subplots, too numerous to mention here, that made it a lively event and for Prague a fair smattering of good racing and incidents.

[Shadders]

Just watching the re run on SS4

 

Did Nigel Pearson really say that Somerset fans can breathe a sigh of relief as Lubos Tomicek isn't as badly injured as first thought?

 

I'd wager they have their fingers crossed hoping he misses their next home meeting

[Ghostwalker]

imo the ref made the correct the decision.

 

AJ was initially ahead of Gollob but left a gap for Gollob on the inside.

Gollob saw the gap and moved into it and AJ was still keeping his foot at the side of his bike.

Then when Gollob had almost past AJ, AJ decided to put his foot down in front of Gollobs backwheel and contact

was inevitable with the result of AJ falling.

[Shadders]

Referee said there was no contact when speaking to Jonsson on the phone.

[iris123]

 

 

I think the heralding of a "new dawn" was entirely justified.

What Tony O did in Leszno was let the locals do the track as they usually do...I would guess he did the same in Prague. The difference is that Prague is always a crap track for any match, so no shock that they delivered the same for the GP...

 

Surely that is a problem.He should know when to let the locals get on with it and when they need help.Prague is always a problem and to just let the locals get on with it is a mistake Give him a bit of slack at the moment,but so far there has only been one GP that was any good imo.But at least it is open

[Wessex Wanderer]

Ref made a terrible decision - it cost me over £100 which I would have won on Jonsson. Corals must have bribed him.

[Blazeaway]

Racism at its best, doubtless condoned by the BSF.

 

Well done Tomas Gollob; opens up the series even more.

 

 

Oh dear we do have a bee in ones bonnet don't we? My quote was a tongue in cheek remark as you well know, in fact it was something Nicki has said on many occasions but your memory probably isn't what it once was eh?

[John Hannibal Thomas]

The poor GP's are back, time to get rid of this Olsson fella.

 

Shame for KB that he made a monumental error picking gate one in the semi, if he looked at the past ten heats he will see there was one win from gate one and that was thanks to a massive rolling start from Jason Crump.

 

If KB picked blue I have no doubt he would have added another GP win to his achievements this season.

 

Tai had his best GP to date, well done lad.

[mp2]

I'm still in 2 minds over the AJ/Gollob crash - my thought at the time was the ref got it right - AJ did sit up going into the turn and Gollob subsequently caught his leg.

 

Perhaps they need to go down the F1 route for the Grands Prix and introduce an ex-rider - i.e. a Chris Louis or Tony Rickardsson to the ref's box to assist in adjudication of such indiscretions?

 

Other thoughts:

*Sayfutdinov a very lucky boy - thank God for the airfence, that was nasty

*Can never count champions out can you? The performances of Crump & Pedersen were spectacular to get something out of nothing

*Good to see Wuffy doing well and Holder unlucky not to make it into final - the only win all night to the White gate was against him in his final heat.

*Fox Sports in Australia lost satellite transmission two laps into the final!!! It appeared as though with the meeting running late, they didn't have enough time booked!

*Overall a pretty standard meeting

[Trees]

Then when Gollob had almost past AJ, AJ decided to put his foot down in front of Gollobs backwheel and contact

He didn't need to put his foot down going into the the turn then?

[Phil Silvers]

No chips on shoulders my "friend" just sick and fed up of dudes like yirsel coming on and spoting crap-a crap ref is a crap ref regardless of their origin.I wonder if an English ref (god forbid) has shall we say assisted a fellow countryman in a similar situation....gasp surely not??!!!You should pull yir heid out yir erse my good man or you will disappear up it Peace to all. p.s total turd of a meeting on a concrete motorway ring road-abysmal.pps whats Tomek supposed to say to the ref-you were wrong?These bams who are calling him a cheat should do exactly what AJ (kool dude said in his interview(twice!) cheers peeps

 

Welcome back Snyper

[MARK246]

Good to see Zetterstrom in the final, the qualification process does work.

Shame the free entry choices are still so poor

[Phil Silvers]

rac·ism (rā′siz′əm) - from www.yourdictionary.com

noun

belief in or doctrine asserting racial differences in character, intelligence, etc. and the superiority of one race over another or others: racist doctrine also, typically, seeks to maintain the supposed purity of a race or the races

any program or practice of racial discrimination, segregation, etc., specif., such a program or practice that upholds the political or economic domination of one race over another or others

feelings or actions of hatred and bigotry toward a person or persons because of their race

 

You really ought to consider your anti English rants then. You really do like making yourself look foolish dont you.

[colincooke]

Since when has stating the facts become racism, utter rubbish.

There are it seems a few folk that require the services of a rather good optician.

Maybe they could recommend them to Wojciech Grodzky too.

 

 

For god's sake even Chris Louis had trouble defending the decision.

Edited May 23, 2010 by colincooke

[r8gdp]

Boring meeting gollob should have been excluded his back wheel did catch aj s leg for the ref to say there was no contact makes me wonder what replay he watched once again poor referee at agp meeting making the sport a joke to all the people who thought gollob should nt have been excluded would you feel the same if it was niki p doing the same move

[srbramble]

The problems arise over exclusions, because the rules allow different enterpretations for different individuals, a major problem if you are a referee, presiding over a GP. Those who were commentating and in the studio, were unanamous in their opinions that AJ was hard done by, yet, there are still those who believe they know better, using the same old cliches to back up their rantings. Yes, Gollob was in front at the point of collision, but he got there at a rediculous speed to enter a corner, and was turning left at the same time as the leader of the race, who was yards in front of him. We all know of Gollobs ruthless streak, and it was evident this was a fine example of it, and he only got away with it because we had a Polish referee, who hadn't got the bollox to do the right thing, and the final outcome was a winner who didn't deserve it.

I don't know why we have a rule, that states a rider has to be excluded, especially when, as was last night, it is possible that this was just a racing incident, and no rider was at fault. The combination of crap referees and rules that allow them to make outrageous decisions, will ruin the series. At least do what they do in boxing, and have 3 adjudicators over such decisions, so we don't get this blatent favouritism.

Edited May 23, 2010 by srbramble

[Mateusz]

Alright experts, that's what Krzysztof Cegielski (a former GP rider, currently a Polish tv speedway commentator) said about the Gollob/AJ situation:

 

"As I have already said many times, the regulations should be changed and there should be a rule that a ref does not have to exclude anyone if it's really hard to decide whose fault it is in a given incident. This was a typical racing incident, Gollob didn't change his racing line, he passed AJ in the inside but on the other side, AJ had to move his leg. Whoever was excluded in this situation, they could complain about this, there was simply no 100% right decision in this case, someone would get hurt anyway."

 

[Shadders]

The problems arise over exclusions, because the rules allow different enterpretations for different individuals, a major problem if you are a referee, presiding over a GP. Those who were commentating and in the studio, were unanamous in their opinions that AJ was hard done by, yet, there are still those who believe they know better, using the same old cliches to back up their rantings. Yes, Gollob was in front at the point of collision, but he got there at a rediculous speed to enter a corner, and was turning left at the same time as the leader of the race, who was yards in front of him. We all know of Gollobs ruthless streak, and it was evident this was a fine example of it, and he only got away with it because we had a Polish referee, who hadn't got the bollox to do the right thing, and the final outcome was a winner who didn't deserve it.

Spot on Mr Bramble...It takes a Rye House fan to get to the point.

It amazes me that the usual suspects on here seem to think they know better than ex riders who have years of top class speedway experience behind them.

[iris123]

Spot on Mr Bramble...It takes a Rye House fan to get to the point.

It amazes me that the usual suspects on here seem to think they know better than ex riders who have years of top class speedway experience behind them.

It amzes me that people think ex riders always get it right.From what i have heard most times if there are 3 ex riders commentating you get at least 2 opinions

[Trees]

"As I have already said many times, the regulations should be changed and there should be a rule that a ref does not have to exclude anyone if it's really hard to decide whose fault it is in a given incident. This was a typical racing incident, Gollob didn't change his racing line, he passed AJ in the inside but on the other side, AJ had to move his leg. Whoever was excluded in this situation, they could complain about this, there was simply no 100% right decision in this case, someone would get hurt anyway."

So refs in FIM meetings are not allowed to put all four back presumably, I definitely think all refs (and have done so for an age) should be able to put all 4 back if they cannot make a definite decision as to who was at fault, there are so many instances where this would apply, it's only fair after all, refs MUST BE FAIR!