Snyper1010 Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 Id be shocked if it wasnt Hans, Freddy, Zagar and Tai. But the first 3 are guaranteed IMO, but the last place will be a tough one. Might add another Rusky in Laguta, or another pole. I dont think we will see anymore Poles in the next Series tbh. Dont think we need to, Walasek seemed to be improving well over this Series and showed a few times that he can beat the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reviresco Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 Can somebody explain to me why there has to be a British competitor in the SGP and why it appears most people believe Tai Woffinden should be that person? I don't take much notice of Elite League averages these days but, if there has to be a British rider next season, should it not be the one who has the highest average this season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulco Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 Can somebody explain to me why there has to be a British competitor in the SGP and why it appears most people believe Tai Woffinden should be that person? I don't take much notice of Elite League averages these days but, if there has to be a British rider next season, should it not be the one who has the highest average this season? There are a few other threads in this section where the reasons for and against have been debated to death . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheffieldscot Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 TOP EIGHT Jason Crump Tomasz Gollob Emil Sayfutdinov Greg Hancock Andreas Jonsson Nicki Pedersen Rune Holta Kenneth Bjerre QUALIFIERS Magnus Zetterstrom Jarek Hampel Chris Holder WILD CARDS Fredrik Lindgren Hans Andersen Tai Woffinden Matej Zagar Antonio Lindback may be considered as could a second Brit in Lee Richardson or even Chris Harris but I think Tai Woffinden and Matej Zagar will get the two remaining places for 2010. Great minds think alike That would be my preferred choice as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salty Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 The whole 'system' is utterly flawed. When riders as good as Hans and Freddie fail to make the top eight there's an assumption that they should be in... But that devalues the concept of only the top eight remaining in...: it effectively means 9th. & 10th. each year have a close to automatic right to be in the next year... Unless they are Rune Holta. It has been widely mentioned that Rune would have struggled to get a pick if he had finished outside of the top 8. Which is why for the past 3 years he has ridden his socks off to qualify by right. Whereas, as you say, Lindgren and Andersen must be fairly confident of getting a spot, so the motivation just isn't quite the same. I can't really argue with Freddie and Hans getting back in for next year as I feel they are amongst the top 15 in the world, but it would be laughable if Harris, who finished 14th, got yet another nomination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Panda Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 I agree with Lindgren and Zagar but as for who the other two should go to I am not sure...............I think that Woffinden is too young and too hot headed to be able to cope with the GP series and much as I like Andersen I think a year out would do him good...................... Ok so for the other two then what about Lee Richardson (although I think that at the moment there are no British riders who are truly worthy of a place but I would rather see Lee in than no Brit at all) and Antonio Lindback....................... RP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 Ok so for the other two then what about Lee Richardson (although I think that at the moment there are no British riders who are truly worthy of a place but I would rather see Lee in than no Brit at all) and Antonio Lindback....................... Settle for Richardson and we're certain to have a Brit finishing 14th. or 15th. again next year... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 usual suspects... same trolling... same racism..... duplicate thread......... same result top 8 + 3 qualifiers + 9th and 10th + 1 brit which only leaves IMG with the question of a 2nd Brit or Zagar and it really is no more complicated than that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sancho Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 (edited) Until the SGP make only the top 4 qualify from the current series & the other 11 have to qualify we will get these threads for evermore Edited October 18, 2009 by sancho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanisnumber1 Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 Defo Freddie Lindgren because he has made a couple of rostrums this season, Hans will get one on his reputation plus he was fighting it out until the last GP for a top 8 slot!! Matej Zagar would be my next choice due to his good season and then on to the Brit debate for the final slot. Scott Nicholls will never get back in next season and Harris should also not, if he had put up more of an effort on Saturday and learnt to gate then maybe give him another chance!! It then moves on to for me either Tai or Richardson and in my opinion if we are going to go with the future then Tai should be in the series and with Holder and Emil will make the season one of the most exciting for a few seasons. Sure Tai will struggle in a few rounds and at other rounds he will make semi finals but that only sounds like Zorro to me!! Come on Tai!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snyper1010 Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 Defo Freddie Lindgren because he has made a couple of rostrums this season, Hans will get one on his reputation plus he was fighting it out until the last GP for a top 8 slot!! Matej Zagar would be my next choice due to his good season and then on to the Brit debate for the final slot. Scott Nicholls will never get back in next season and Harris should also not, if he had put up more of an effort on Saturday and learnt to gate then maybe give him another chance!! It then moves on to for me either Tai or Richardson and in my opinion if we are going to go with the future then Tai should be in the series and with Holder and Emil will make the season one of the most exciting for a few seasons. Sure Tai will struggle in a few rounds and at other rounds he will make semi finals but that only sounds like Zorro to me!! Come on Tai!! Sound like Zorro or not. Zorro deserves to be there by qualifying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BelteshazzarBee Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 I agree with Lindgren and Zagar but as for who the other two should go to I am not sure...............I think that Woffinden is too young and too hot headed to be able to cope with the GP series and much as I like Andersen I think a year out would do him good...................... Ok so for the other two then what about Lee Richardson (although I think that at the moment there are no British riders who are truly worthy of a place but I would rather see Lee in than no Brit at all) and Antonio Lindback....................... RP Those are pretty much my ideas too. Freddie is an almost cert, he has been pretty good this season in the Gps and has had a great year in the EL. Tai is not ready yet. Just like they did with Chris Holder, they will wait another season and see if he can reproduse in the EL and improve on the continent. Or qualify like Holder has done. Not sure wether Richardson wil do better than Harris and Nicholls but what says he wont. The only thing i have to say is Lindback would certainly be my choice aswell but with Jonsson, Zetterstrom and Freddie (?) already in would they stick in a 4th Swede?? Im not so sure. I would have Lindgren, Zagar, Richardsson, Sullivan, Tai and Lindback in it next year if we could. If they dont want 4 swedes in, i would go for Lindgren and hope Lindback coninues his comeback next year with a return to the EL and gets in either by qualifying or through having great form in al the leagues. I havent posted on here in a long time, it feels wierd being back here debating GP stuff. Still got a cup final at rye, come on you rockets !!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 Sound like Zorro or not. Zorro deserves to be there by qualifying. Then by following your 'argument', Hans doesn't deserve to be there - as he didn't qualify..! There are two routes to qualify...: one for those in it, by finishing in the top eight; another via actual qualifying rounds...: for which those in it can also use as a route... Hans chose - I believe - not to enter the latter, risking all (in ultimate vain...) on the former... So can't see how you can pick and choose your logic here... If you say Tai didn't qualify then you have to say likewise about Hans... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snyper1010 Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 Then by following your 'argument', Hans doesn't deserve to be there - as he didn't qualify..! There are two routes to qualify...: one for those in it, by finishing in the top eight; another via actual qualifying rounds...: for which those in it can also use as a route... Hans chose - I believe - not to enter the latter, risking all (in ultimate vain...) on the former... So can't see how you can pick and choose your logic here... If you say Tai didn't qualify then you have to say likewise about Hans... No, the point i was trying to make was you cant compare Tai (who didnt qualify) to Zorro (who did) and say they will score roughly the same therefore Tai should be allowed in. Whether Zorro finishes last in every GP or not he has the right to be there trying as he qualified for the right. Tai should not be given a W/C simply because he may score about the same as Zorro over the series. I hope that explains what i meant with my comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beercellar Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 Until the SGP make only the top 4 qualify from the current series & the other 11 have to qualify we will get these threads for evermore [/quote totaley agree, and dont have harris, he likes his beers to much the night before the gps ( still drinking passed midnight in our villa at bydgoszcz), and takes 4 races to sober up. wants the fast life, but not realy interested in being a top rider, dont let him back in for god sake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daisy Duke Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 Is Tai financially able to compete in the GPs? He is well sponsored, but the step up to GP level must surely cost a fortune. I believe that Tai could compete on the world stage, but is he really ready for it yet? I'd hate to see the lad thrown in at the deep end only to end up being another Harris or Nicholls. If it comes down to nationality who gets the w/c place, then so far we have:- 2 x Australian (JC/CH), 3 x Poles (TG/RH/JH), 1 x Russian (ES), 1 x American (GH), 2 x Swedes (AJ/MZ), 2 x Danes (NP/KB). I'm fairly sure that Freddie and Hans will get picks, making 3 Poles, Danes and Swedes. Does anyone know when the wildcards will be announced? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NathanB Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 I think Andersen will get a slot next season as will One Brit which I think will be Chris Harris. Only one more Swede will get the nod and it will either be Lindgren/Lindback, though I think Lindgren should get the nod. The last spot is up for grabs with a selection of people in contention but I think it will be Zagar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snyper1010 Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 I hope it is Zagar. Very much like Hans in the sense he is great on track but is also a good guy and character off it. I cant see Lindback being picked ahead of Lindgren. Hans wont be left out as even though he had one bad year he is one of the worlds best and is captain of one of the greatest speedway nations on the planet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keef Posted October 20, 2009 Report Share Posted October 20, 2009 Zagar Lindgren Andersen Woffinden/Harris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPNY Posted October 21, 2009 Report Share Posted October 21, 2009 It pains me to say it but there is not a single Englishman worthy of a seeded place in next years GP. However out of all we have at the moment, it would seem Richardson would probably do the best out of them given his form in the leagues/world cup this year. Thats just my opinion... I would love to see a return of the GP challenge with 8 qualifiers and the bottom 8 at the end of th current GP season fighting it out for the remaining GP places. Those meetings were immense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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