Snyper1010 Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 I wouldnt say Zorro is in the top 15 or anywhere near it but he did the hard work to qualify therefore i congratulate him and look forward to seeing how he fairs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbold Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 Magnus Zetterstrom hasn't appeared on anyone's list Not quite true. He has appeared on at least two lists on this thread so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 (edited) I WAS curious to see a consensus of opinion on who the world's top 15 riders are and how that would marry up to the 2010 Grand Prix line-up. Â Magnus Zetterstrom hasn't appeared on anyone's list and that is hardly surprising so does that add weight to the argument that riders should have to qualify or does it reinforce the seeding scheme? Â PHILIP RISING Â Phil, he was on my list which automatically contained all 11 riders who had qualified for the 2010 series (which is why I only named the other four). I believe in the qualifiers - and think that a closed shop without qualifying rounds would diminish the status of the World Championship. I'd actually go further and have qualifying rounds through April & may and then start the series in June - so every rider wakes up on January 1 of that year with a chance of being World Champion. Â Zorro won at Coventry, so he deserves to be there!! Â All the best Rob Edited October 19, 2009 by lucifer sam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillips11 Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 My GP line up for next year would be  Top 8: Jason Crump Tomasz Gollob Emil Sajfutdinov Greg Hancock Andreas Jonsson Nicki Pedersen Rune Holta Kenneth Bjerre  Qualifiers: Magnus Zetterstrom Chris Holder Jaroslaw Hampel  Wild Cards: Hans Andersen Freddie Lindgren Lee Richardson Matej Zagar  Hans is bound to get one.  I would love to have seen Lindback back in but as Zetterstrom qualified think that has ruined his chances as dont think they will run with 4 Swedes and think is pretty obvious after his form this year that Freddie deserves the nod.  Theres bound to be at least 1 Brit and my pick would be Richardson, has proved his worth this season across europe, dont see how Harris warrants a spot after 3 years outside the top 8. Also dont see how Tai qualifies after 1 season in the elite league and 1 impressive world cup performance. He didnt really set the world alight in it this year and I believe its time Rico had another shot.  Think Zagar is the other choice for me. They might run with Miedzinski so another Pole is in but Zagar is a superior rider who again deserves another chance.  If Holta drops out as rumoured would then put Miedzinski in as the other pole.    Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snyper1010 Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 Phil, he was on my list which automatically contained all 11 riders who had qualified for the 2010 series (which is why I only named the other four). I believe in the qualifiers - and think that a closed shop without qualifying rounds would diminish the status of the World Championship. I'd actually go further and have qualifying rounds through April & may and then start the series in June - so every rider wakes up on January 1 of that year with a chance of being World Champion. Zorro won at Coventry, so he deserves to be there!!  All the best Rob  Typical Englishman, us Scots dont wake up on the 1st January we just party right through it  So do you think Rob, that the 4 wildcards should be replaced with a second qualifier? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 Typical Englishman, us Scots dont wake up on the 1st January we just party right through it  So do you think Rob, that the 4 wildcards should be replaced with a second qualifier?  Snyper, I think I'd go for:  * Top 6 from GP series qualify for next year's series * Qualifying rounds throughout April and May, culminating in a qualifying final in late May, from which 6 riders qualify * Three seeded riders - maximum of one seeded rider from any one country  All the best Rob  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snyper1010 Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 Snyper, I think I'd go for: * Top 6 from GP series qualify for next year's series * Qualifying rounds throughout April and May, culminating in a qualifying final in late May, from which 6 riders qualify * Three seeded riders - maximum of one seeded rider from any one country  All the best Rob  Should riders really have a "free lunch" pass handed to them? Why not the top X riders go through (thats a no brainer) and the rest of the places filled via qualifiers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 Should riders really have a "free lunch" pass handed to them? Why not the top X riders go through (thats a no brainer) and the rest of the places filled via qualifiers.  Snyper, I think there is a need, simply because it is a multi-round series instead of a one-off. There were a couple of times in the early years of the GP series (before seeding) when riders who would have added a little colour to the series weren't in it - e.g. Gollob in 1996 and Crump in 1997.  I would add an extra proviso, though - not only is it only one seeded rider per country, but also a rider could only be seeded in just the once. So you wouldn't have a situation develop where a rider who has never qualified for the series is in it for five years!!  All the best Rob  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snyper1010 Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 Snyper, I think there is a need, simply because it is a multi-round series instead of a one-off. There were a couple of times in the early years of the GP series (before seeding) when riders who would have added a little colour to the series weren't in it - e.g. Gollob in 1996 and Crump in 1997. I would add an extra proviso, though - not only is it only one seeded rider per country, but also a rider could only be seeded in just the once. So you wouldn't have a situation develop where a rider who has never qualified for the series is in it for five years!!  All the best Rob  Maybe adding the once only rule could help this situation. But then wouldnt that force young lads and lesser riders to be thrown in so a nation can use the wildcard/seed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salty Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 (edited) I WAS curious to see a consensus of opinion on who the world's top 15 riders are and how that would marry up to the 2010 Grand Prix line-up. Â Magnus Zetterstrom hasn't appeared on anyone's list and that is hardly surprising so does that add weight to the argument that riders should have to qualify or does it reinforce the seeding scheme? Â PHILIP RISING Interesting point. I think you will find few people begrudge Zorro his spot, because he qualified, but by the same token very few people would consider him in the best 15 in the world. On the whole people accept that the qualifying system is open to all and those that succeed may not always be the riders one would consider to be in the top 15. However, it is harder to accept a rider who is not perceived to be in that top echelon getting in by way of nomination, just because they are of the right nationality to suit commercial needs. Â I like the idea of Rob Peasley's to hold early season qualifiers, but accept that the need to put together sponsorship packages etc might mean that is unworkable. Â I guess most people see the seeding system as a necessary evil given the commercial concerns. Edited October 19, 2009 by salty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrow boy Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 Should riders really have a "free lunch" pass handed to them? Why not the top X riders go through (thats a no brainer) and the rest of the places filled via qualifiers. Exactly. Then Harris would be in on merit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snyper1010 Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 Exactly. Then Harris would be in on merit  No he wouldnt. He would have still failed to qualify. As the next qualifier wouldnt be at his home track.  That shows you that Harris isnt upto it, he had home track advantage and still didnt make it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srbramble Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 Exactly. Then Harris would be in on merit  There is absolutely no way Harris should get a wildcard. On merit? How do you work that out? He's been so far off the pace in nearly all the GPs, which is quite surprising, when you consider the quality of his machinery, the sponsors he has, and the man doing his engines. I have heard, from a swedish friend who has many contacts around the continent, that he is mighty fond of partying, which suggests to me his professionalism must be questioned, and whether he really has the right stuff to compete at this level. There are many others who deserve their chance before Harris gets another go at it. That includes a couple of youngsters, who have the fire in their bellies to really give the series the shot in the arm it so desperately needs. Ward, Woffinden, Zagar and Lindgren for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torpointfanatic22 Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 (edited) Interesting discussion this one.  Well other than the top 8 and the qualifiers who we already know are in, my 4 w/c's would be  Hans and Freddie who for me are certs to be back. Personally if we are talking deserved then no Brits im afraid. I would go for 2 of Pepe, Zagar or Lindback.  Having said that the SGP authorities will have at least one Brit maybe even 2. In which case Hans and Freddie will be joined by Harris and Tai. Unless Tai turns it down. Harris gets it for me because he is British Champion. I know there is an argument of whether he deserves it or not, but he is by all accounts the best in this country by name so should be in. (if a brit gets in) Edited October 19, 2009 by torpointfanatic22 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smiles Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 My 15 are as follows 1. Crump - will still win grand prixs 2. Gollob - will still win grand prixs 3. Emil - Will win Grand prixs 4. Hancock -will still spoil and get to finals 5. AJ - Can win Grand Prixs 6. Pedersen- will still win grand prixs 7. Holta - will still spoil and get to finals 8. Bjerre- will reach finals and maybe get a win if gates 9. Lindgren (if chosen) can reach finals and could win 10. Andersen (if chosen) Could still win Grand prixs 11. Zorro- will reach a couple of semis at the most 12. Holder- Will spoil like Emil this year 13.Hampel- PLenty of finals maybe a win 14. Zagar (if selected) could spoil for a couple of finals 15.Tai(??????)-who knows Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
austrian hammer Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 Interesting discussion this one. Well other than the top 8 and the qualifiers who we already know are in, my 4 w/c's would be  Hans and Freddie who for me are certs to be back. Personally if we are talking deserved then no Brits im afraid. I would go for 2 of Pepe, Zagar or Lindback.  Having said that the SGP authorities will have at least one Brit maybe even 2. In which case Hans and Freddie will be joined by Harris and Tai. Unless Tai turns it down. Harris gets it for me because he is British Champion. I know there is an argument of whether he deserves it or not, but he is by all accounts the best in this country by name so should be in. (if a brit gets in)   I too believe that they'll go with Hans and Freddie as well as the two Brits; Chris as British Champion, and Tai as young blood for the series.  I'm not saying this is right,in fact it clearly isn't on merit, just what i think they'll do.  On merit i'd have to say that sadly you could make a pretty good case for the inclusion of NO Brits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrow boy Posted October 20, 2009 Report Share Posted October 20, 2009 There is absolutely no way Harris should get a wildcard. On merit? How do you work that out? He's been so far off the pace in nearly all the GPs, which is quite surprising, when you consider the quality of his machinery, the sponsors he has, and the man doing his engines. I have heard, from a swedish friend who has many contacts around the continent, that he is mighty fond of partying, which suggests to me his professionalism must be questioned, and whether he really has the right stuff to compete at this level. There are many others who deserve their chance before Harris gets another go at it. That includes a couple of youngsters, who have the fire in their bellies to really give the series the shot in the arm it so desperately needs. Ward, Woffinden, Zagar and Lindgren for me. What I originally said was that I would like to see all riders who have won at least 1 GP being invited back who this year are the top 6 finishers. Add to these the next 4 and the top 5 finishers in the GP Challenge final who include one rider who has pre qualified giving the final place to the 6th best finalist who was Chris Harris. Simple really and only my thoughts on being fair allround. I know this won't happen because it is not the rules but I am just conveying my own personal wishes for how it ought to be done. This way everyone properly qualifies on merit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snyper1010 Posted October 20, 2009 Report Share Posted October 20, 2009 What I originally said was that I would like to see all riders who have won at least 1 GP being invited back who this year are the top 6 finishers. Add to these the next 4 and the top 5 finishers in the GP Challenge final who include one rider who has pre qualified giving the final place to the 6th best finalist who was Chris Harris. Simple really and only my thoughts on being fair allround. I know this won't happen because it is not the rules but I am just conveying my own personal wishes for how it ought to be done. This way everyone properly qualifies on merit. Â I think 5 from one qualifying round is too many why not had 3 "GP Challenges" first two from each get a GP place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
austrian hammer Posted October 20, 2009 Report Share Posted October 20, 2009 I liked the old system they had in place whereas those outside the top 8 from that years series raced against those who'd qualified through from all the usual world championship rounds.....British,Nordic,Commonwealth etc...... You then had pretty much half the field qualifying, but it seemed a fair system. Â Why did they have to tinker with it? Was it because if it was done this way a nation like Britain(just usung us as an example) could possibly be without representation at the following years series? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J_D Posted October 20, 2009 Report Share Posted October 20, 2009 People are saying Laguta, what about Pavlic if Croatia get a GP next season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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