Snyper1010 Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 P1ss poor track and terrible bikes lost Hans a top 8 finish. Ah well new director new tracks new World Champion for 2010 Mr Hans Andersen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomcat Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 P1ss poor track and terrible bikes lost Hans a top 8 finish. Ah well new director new tracks new World Champion for 2010 Mr Hans Andersen What happened to Hans, when he was in as a wild card he was flying wherever he raced, now he has gone backwards. Perhaps ditching this tribute to Erik Gundersen may be a good way to start, plus go back to whatever setup he was using back then, on and off track. I'm not having a pop at Hans, as I seriously thought he would be a contender this year, but he needs to get his head straight. Whilst I applaud his attempts to recognise Erik as his idol etc etc, it is a distraction and a weight to carry, with people seeing what he is doing and expecting him to perform to Eriks level. Get the set up right and then pay a tribute to Erik, preferably at the final GP of the year of he has the title sewn up. I hope Hans does get a W/C pick for 2010 as he is an exciting rider to watch and also a real character too. As for the rest.... not too sure, but something like: Jason Crump. Nicki Pedersen Emil Sayfutdinov Tomasz Gollob Chris Holder Jarek Hampel Darcy Ward Greg Hancock Freddie Lindgren Matej Zagar Hans Andersen Andreas Jonsson Antonio Lindback Rune Holta Tai Woffinden (If there has to be a Brit) Get some decent track surfaces and that would probably produce some exciting races between that little lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snyper1010 Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 I really have no idea what happened to Hans season wether it was not starting the season in the UK or not i dont know. I doubt it has even his return didnt improve his scores consistantly. I dont think the organisers will overlook Hans for a W/C they know what he is capable of and know he is one of the best in the world. Just a bad year and i hope the winter break helps him sort what ever he feels went wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomcat Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 I really have no idea what happened to Hans season wether it was not starting the season in the UK or not i dont know. I doubt it has even his return didnt improve his scores consistantly. I dont think the organisers will overlook Hans for a W/C they know what he is capable of and know he is one of the best in the world. Just a bad year and i hope the winter break helps him sort what ever he feels went wrong. Don't think it was missing the Uk at the start of the season. Its not affected other GP riders, like Crumpy, Nicki P, Gollob, Holta, and Greg H. Something has been amiss, you don't suddenly become a mediocre rider overnight. Sometimes a step back helps, as I said, look at what he was doing setups wise when he was flying and try and work out where the drop in performances started, analyse that and he might work out what went wrong. Some people reckon he doesn't deserve the title, you know, those that think Hans is too cocky, loud mouthed etc etc, but what a great World Champ he would be, has that character about him. Just hope he gets that W/C and sorts things out for a serious crack at the Title for 2010. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snyper1010 Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 Don't think it was missing the Uk at the start of the season. Its not affected other GP riders, like Crumpy, Nicki P, Gollob, Holta, and Greg H. Something has been amiss, you don't suddenly become a mediocre rider overnight. Sometimes a step back helps, as I said, look at what he was doing setups wise when he was flying and try and work out where the drop in performances started, analyse that and he might work out what went wrong. Some people reckon he doesn't deserve the title, you know, those that think Hans is too cocky, loud mouthed etc etc, but what a great World Champ he would be, has that character about him. Just hope he gets that W/C and sorts things out for a serious crack at the Title for 2010. It hasnt been a complete failure of a season, he has made podiums and scored well. He was just missing that consistency. I have to totally agree that Hans would be a superb Wolrd Champion. There is nothing too cocky about him. He has the character and charisma and deserves a GP place ahead of many of names i have seen thrown about several threads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hagonshocker Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 Darcy Ward?....Janowski?...pepe?...sullivan?...some of you are on cloud cuckoo land! Top 8 as quali'd crump gollob emil jonsson hancock holta nikki bjerre the 3 from gp challenge Zorro Hampel Noddy plus the 4 noms who will be Hans Camp Freddie Wuffy Antonionionioni or Zagar (Lindback may suffer as already having 2 swedes in) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrow boy Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 (edited) Fairest way to go is to invite all riders who have won at least 1 GP this year for a start. I feel that to win a GP should be enough to earn a place next time. I would then fill up to 10 places from the current GP Series' finishing order with the remaining 5 places coming from the GP Challenge Final. For 2010 we would then have the following:- Crump Gollob Sayfutdinov Hancock Pedersen N Jonsson Bjerre Holta Lindgren Andersen Zetterstrom Holder Hampel Protasiewicz Harris All of them being in on merit Edited October 18, 2009 by barrow boy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snyper1010 Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 Harris in on merit? Where did he merit this inclusion? One good GP doesnt make a GP rider. Look at Harris at Cardiff, one good night and hasnt done much since. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 (edited) I've resisted posting until the final GP is done and dusted, because otherwise any answer becomes a bit of a nonsense once the top eight changes - as it did last night. OK, we all know the 11 qualifiers for next year's series - and I believe in the majority of riders qualifying instead of being chosen. So I go with those 11. But how about the other four? I will give two answers - firstly who personally I would put in, and then who I think will be in. My seeded riders would be: 1. Fredrik Lindgren. Improving all the time and only just missed out on the top 8. Only a matter of time before he wins a Grand Prix and climbs the rankings further. 2. Hans Andersen. Something of an enigma in 2009, but far too good not to be in the Grand Prix series. 3. Antonio Lindback. Somewhat inconsistent, but has excelled in his two wildcard appearances during this season. Another enigma, but he's exciting to watch and adds a little colour to the GP series. 4. Ummmm... tricky. However, I am going to plump for World Under-21 Champion Darcy Ward. I know people will stay he's too young, but wasn't exactly the same said about Sayfutdinov 12 months ago? If you're good enough, you're old enough. And Ward is a truly exceptional talent. However, I don't think those will be the 4 riders. I think it probably will be: 1. Fredrik Lindgren 2. Hans Andersen 3. Chris Harris 4. Tai Woffinden There aren't any British riders good enough to be in the GP series, but it appears the GP selection committee, rightly or wrongly, always plump for two Brits. Harris, whilst a also-ran in the GP series in 2009, is our best rider. And Woffinden is our best young rider. So I think they'll be the two Brits seeded into the series. All the best Rob Edited October 18, 2009 by lucifer sam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedUnitedUnited Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 Crump Gollob Emil Hancock AJ Holta Bjerre Nicki P Hans Lindgren Holder Hampel Zagar Bjarne P Woffinden 15 there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 Darcy Ward?....Janowski?...pepe?...sullivan?...some of you are on cloud cuckoo land! Top 8 as quali'd crump gollob emil jonsson hancock holta nikki bjerre the 3 from gp challenge Zorro Hampel Noddy plus the 4 noms who will be Hans Camp Freddie Wuffy Antonionionioni or Zagar (Lindback may suffer as already having 2 swedes in) tbf the question was who do we think are the best 15 in the world a completely different question to who have qualified or we think the noms will be not sure what angle Phil is working on here but I suspect it was with an eye on Leigh or the Brits... or to what extent IMG already have it right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrow boy Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 Harris in on merit? Where did he merit this inclusion? One good GP doesnt make a GP rider. Look at Harris at Cardiff, one good night and hasnt done much since. He got through to the GP Challenge Final and finished the next in line after Protaziewicz so having made the effort to qualify by right I think he should be in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snyper1010 Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 He got through to the GP Challenge Final and finished the next in line after Protaziewicz so having made the effort to qualify by right I think he should be in. He wasnt the only one there trying to qualify so why should he get special treatment ahead of anyone else that was there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrow boy Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 He wasnt the only one there trying to qualify so why should he get special treatment ahead of anyone else that was there? Because on the night other than Zetterstrom, Holder & Hampel who all qualified by right and Lindgren & Protazeiwicz who I have put in, Harris was the next highest scorer i.e better than all the others who you quite rightly say were also trying to qualify. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snyper1010 Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 Because on the night other than Zetterstrom, Holder & Hampel who all qualified by right and Lindgren & Protazeiwicz who I have put in, Harris was the next highest scorer i.e better than all the others who you quite rightly say were also trying to qualify. We will have to agree to disagree, Harris IMO is not GP quality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrow boy Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 We will have to agree to disagree, Harris IMO is not GP quality. It's not about whether I think he is GP quality or not, he has in my opinion done enough to be there because he has earned his place by trying to qualify in the required manner. Anyway there are one or two others in my list that could be considered not to be GP quality by some but if they deserve to be there then they deserve to be considered to be GP quality if only for the moment. Thank you for your taking the time to discuss this matter, I have enjoyed our chat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snyper1010 Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 It's not about whether I think he is GP quality or not, he has in my opinion done enough to be there because he has earned his place by trying to qualify in the required manner. Anyway there are one or two others in my list that could be considered not to be GP quality by some but if they deserve to be there then they deserve to be considered to be GP quality if only for the moment. Thank you for your taking the time to discuss this matter, I have enjoyed our chat. He did try and all credit to him for doing so. But, and this is where i think our views differ. He didnt make it and is not a GP quality rider. The riders that finish top 8 should be back whether we feel they are GP standard or not as they earned it. The qualifiers from the GP challenge deserve to be there whether we feel they are GP standard or not as they also deserved it. But the W/Cs should only be given to riders who are deemed to be of GP quality and not to riders simply because they tried to qualify but failed IMO. This for me includes Hans and Freddie but sadly not Chris. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrow boy Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 He did try and all credit to him for doing so. But, and this is where i think our views differ. He didnt make it and is not a GP quality rider. The riders that finish top 8 should be back whether we feel they are GP standard or not as they earned it. The qualifiers from the GP challenge deserve to be there whether we feel they are GP standard or not as they also deserved it. But the W/Cs should only be given to riders who are deemed to be of GP quality and not to riders simply because they tried to qualify but failed IMO. This for me includes Hans and Freddie but sadly not Chris. But if the GP quality invited wild cards are riders such as Zagar, Lindback etc didn't they also enter the GP Challenge competition and didn't they fail to even reach the final so why should they get prefence over riders that did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snyper1010 Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 But if the GP quality invited wild cards are riders such as Zagar, Lindback etc didn't they also enter the GP Challenge competition and didn't they fail to even reach the final so why should they get prefence over riders that did. You answered your own question, they are GP quality. Lets not forget a GP series isnt one night on one track. Its about who can be competitive on many varied tracks over a full season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyMac Posted October 19, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 I WAS curious to see a consensus of opinion on who the world's top 15 riders are and how that would marry up to the 2010 Grand Prix line-up. Magnus Zetterstrom hasn't appeared on anyone's list and that is hardly surprising so does that add weight to the argument that riders should have to qualify or does it reinforce the seeding scheme? PHILIP RISING Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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