World U21 Final 3rd October Gorican

[iris123]

happen again untill there is a u21 gp series and cant see that happening .

Thought it was planned for next year?

[Trees]

Thought it was planned for next year?

And who'll buy the rights to that then?

[iris123]

And who'll buy the rights to that then?

I don't have the foggiest.But one thing is for sure,there won't be any British Promoters willing to shell out.........well two things are for sure......you will be moaning about some aspect of it

[snapper-racing.co.uk]

Except Tai didnt! As has already been mentioned he jumped the tapes last year!

 

Tape touching is not bad luck! Its rider error!

 

As much as I would have liked Tai to get a result from this meeting he was not unlucky! It was his own error and he only has himself to blame!

 

Harsh? Probably. True? For sure!

 

Saying that I hope he gets a GP spot as hes an awesome little rider and will be the pride of team GB over the coming years!

 

Now for Mr Ward..... What is there to say? The natural successor to Crumpy as top Aus. The kid is amazing!

 

Hopefully our local press will pick the story up and we can get a few more through the gate on Monday!

 

Well done to Paddy toooo! 3rd is a decent result - wish id know I could get 16's on him before hand as id have a few £'s each way!

 

 

Sometimes Tape touching or rolling can come from a number of things.... I would not specifically put it down to rider error.

 

1. If the clutch becomes too hot the plates slip and pulls the bike forward - and its the most horrible feeling, you can do little about it.... this happens a lot if the tapes are held for too long.

 

2. Ruts - these can help push the bike forward in the start area - good if the tapes are up, but before

 

3. Others moving - very off putting as its a split second decision to drop that clutch.

its not really fair to exclude a rider for touching the tapes if everyone else is moving before.

 

4. Faulty start gate - look at how Redcars gate went up all wonky when showed on tv

 

5. Start Marshall - some think its wise to bring the riders right close to the tapes - where as some prefer to be away more to compensate for movement - it happens and theres no denying the fact that these machines will move slightly - you cannot keep them completely still under the amounts of torque and power that are being held.

 

 

Fair enough if its clear that the tapes have been jumped - mainly due to the rider counting the start (which is done by a number of riders) - but starts are one of the most difficult things to even learn, a lot of this has to be natural ability and luck!!!

 

[superguest]

It seems Tai is going through a spell of unpopularity. He has been hyped up way too much though. Be interesting to see how Darcy deals with it next season. Lindback was hyped up from the moment he made his debut in Britian and look what that did. Pavlic a simular story.

[iris123]

Sometimes Tape touching or rolling can come from a number of things.... I would not specifically put it down to rider error.

 

1. If the clutch becomes too hot the plates slip and pulls the bike forward - and its the most horrible feeling, you can do little about it.... this happens a lot if the tapes are held for too long.

 

 

3. Others moving - very off putting as its a split second decision to drop that clutch.

its not really fair to exclude a rider for touching the tapes if everyone else is moving before.

 

 

 

Fair enough if its clear that the tapes have been jumped - mainly due to the rider counting the start (which is done by a number of riders) - but starts are one of the most difficult things to even learn, a lot of this has to be natural ability and luck!!!

I think it has already been confirmed it was no.3,which in my opinion is rider error.If he is duped by another rider moving that is only his fault.

 

But not being technically minded and hearing this quite a bit before......why does no.1 occur on a speedway bike?I can wait at the traffic lights on (all)my bike(s) for any number of minutes with the clutch in but don't get a problem.Honest question.....why don't speedway clutches work like a road bike?Any why are the riders playing with the clutch cable before every heat?I don't adjust mine every year!!!!

[HenryW]

Thought it was planned for next year?

Yes, you are correct Iris. Next years World Under 21 Championship is scheduled to be run as a mini-GP series.

There will be the normal qualifying rounds, but the final will take place over 3 rounds, provisionally listed as being in Gdansk (July 11), Daugavpils (August 7) and Pardubice (September 18).

 

[arnieg]

I agree mate , if Dave Jessup hadn,t had an ef he,d have been world champoin i,m showing my age here 1972 my first wembley final, Olsen broke the tapes in his first ride went on to score 12 finnished 3rd Mauger won its happened before it,l happen again untill there is a u21 gp series and cant see that happening .

My first World Final too, but Olsen didn't break the tapes he fell in his first ride trying to pass Bernt Persson (I think) on the last lap

 

Edit: I was wrong - it was Christer Lofqvist he was chasing, Olsen passed Persson earlier in the race

Edited October 4, 2009 by arnieg

[Parsloes 1928 nearly]

here 1972 my first wembley final, Olsen broke the tapes in his first ride went on to score 12 finnished 3rd Mauger won its happened before it,l happen again untill there is a u21 gp series and cant see that happening .

 

No, Ole didn't break the tapes he fell..

 

But if you see the following you'll note he only fell coz having got from 4th. to 2nd. , he was determined to win.

Such an attitude would NEVER happen in an early ride in a GP meeting coz it simply wouldn't be important to do so..

Therein explains all one needs to know why the old World Final was so much better than the nonsense competition we know have...

 

[Pollyanna]

Congratulations To Darcy, yesterday was the first time ive seen him ride and I cant help feeling he is the best rider ive ever seen at such a young age. The track was very grippy yesterday which caught out some of the riders & Lewis's bikes did not look quick enough. Tai was head & shoulders above everyone & you could only feel sorry for him , this is definatley the one that got away. Darcy said after the meeting that his goal was to be in the GP for 2012 but I think he could hold his own now. I was feeling very down about the future of speedway with the Russian looking to dominate the foreseable future but now I think maybe Darcy and Tai will give him more tha a run for his money.

 

 

Congratulations to Darcy, Jurica and to Patrick, who everyone seems to have forgotten.

[Fourentee]

Yes, you are correct Iris. Next years World Under 21 Championship is scheduled to be run as a mini-GP series.

There will be the normal qualifying rounds, but the final will take place over 3 rounds, provisionally listed as being in Gdansk (July 11), Daugavpils (August 7) and Pardubice (September 18).

 

That will do nothing other than cut the number of entrants, surely? Schedules are tight enough as it stands and, for British-based riders at least, that's an awful lot of travel.

[Haza]

No, Ole didn't break the tapes he fell..

 

But if you see the following you'll note he only fell coz having got from 4th. to 2nd. , he was determined to win.

Such an attitude would NEVER happen in an early ride in a GP meeting coz it simply wouldn't be important to do so..

Therein explains all one needs to know why the old World Final was so much better than the nonsense competition we know have...

 

Ok i got it wrong ole fell and i was 11 at the time a long time ago ,

[oakdalepirate]

Congratulations To Darcy, yesterday was the first time ive seen him ride and I cant help feeling he is the best rider ive ever seen at such a young age. The track was very grippy yesterday which caught out some of the riders & Lewis's bikes did not look quick enough. Tai was head & shoulders above everyone & you could only feel sorry for him , this is definatley the one that got away. Darcy said after the meeting that his goal was to be in the GP for 2012 but I think he could hold his own now. I was feeling very down about the future of speedway with the Russian looking to dominate the foreseable future but now I think maybe Darcy and Tai will give him more tha a run for his money.

 

Mystified by your down beat attitude. Holder will be in the series next year. Darcy Ward and Tai will certainly be competing in it soon. Lindback is mounting a revival. Plus Pavlic, Bridger, Houggard, some young poles coming through. I think in terms of young riders coming through, the future is bright.

[ballinger]

As seen on Sky Sports last night, Clean Cut Sports were delighted to be invited by the Pavlic family to film last Saturday's World Under 21 Final

 

The DVD is currently being produced, and is available to order from our website here

Edited October 6, 2009 by ballinger

[wotnoaj]

Some pretty pathetic posts on here gloating about Tai's tapes offense. Not really suprising though given the mentality of some people. Got some saying how funny it was; it's also quite amusing to see those posters show themselves for what they really are.

 

Some just hate to see a Brit doing well, it's like they can't handle it. These are usually the glory hunter type people, who only support the winning teams as it makes them feel good, the kind of Brits who walk around wearing Brazil/Italy football shirts, or Real Madrid/Man Utd shirts but probably could'nt name half the team; the kind that slag off Lewis Hamilton and prefer to see a foriegner win. Ok if you're about 10 years old but you really should grow out of it.

 

Some are just plain ignorant or nasty people.

 

Tai is a young lad with a lot to learn. He is trying to cope with the fact that his Dad is dying and will not be around to see his future acheivements; he desperately wanted to win that title for his Dad and was probably devastated that he could'nt do it, more for his Dad than himself and yet some of you come on here to have a laugh about it or gloat about it. You make remarks about his character/personality based on the thinnest of reasons, without getting to know the lad at all. I don't know the lad personally so I'm not going to pretend he's a nice guy or a nasty guy.

 

Some of you need to grow up or actually think before you post.

[WIE-JA]

I think it has already been confirmed it was no.3,which in my opinion is rider error.If he is duped by another rider moving that is only his fault.

 

But not being technically minded and hearing this quite a bit before......why does no.1 occur on a speedway bike?I can wait at the traffic lights on (all)my bike(s) for any number of minutes with the clutch in but don't get a problem.Honest question.....why don't speedway clutches work like a road bike?Any why are the riders playing with the clutch cable before every heat?I don't adjust mine every year!!!!

Next time you're out on your road bike at a junction, put it in 3rd gear, hold it flat out and see how long it is before it starts to drag. Riders adjust the clutch at the start because after a practice start everything has warmed up and expanded. If there is no free play in the cable before the start then the clutch can slip during the race.

[tink426]

i'm sitting here in Australia with Darcy's mum. We are absolutely disgusted in your comments about Tai, he went out there and tried his best, to be 4th in the world is a huge achievement no matter what anyone says he has done GBR proud in anyone eyes.

 

To all of you who are bagging him leave the guy alone and be Proud as we are over here.

[wotnoaj]

i'm sitting here in Australia with Darcy's mum. We are absolutely disgusted in your comments about Tai, he went out there and tried his best, to be 4th in the world is a huge achievement no matter what anyone says he has done GBR proud in anyone eyes.

 

To all of you who are bagging him leave the guy alone and be Proud as we are over here.

Well said!

 

I wish the all the Brits could be as supportive and proud of their sportsmen/women as the Aussies are.

[chopper]

Well said!

 

I wish the all the Brits could be as supportive and proud of their sportsmen/women as the Aussies are.

 

Geez give the young kid a break, who would want to be a pommie sporstman, just to make a world final is a massive achievment.

This petty nit picking is just crap, support him not knock him.

My son and i, in aus are proud as punch of young Darcy, even if he hadnt won it didnt matter.

 

Darrell Branford

[wotnoaj]

Geez give the young kid a break, who would want to be a pommie sporstman, just to make a world final is a massive achievment.

This petty nit picking is just crap, support him not knock him.

My son and i, in aus are proud as punch of young Darcy, even if he hadnt won it didnt matter.

 

Darrell Branford

You're right chopper, I cannot understand the mentality of some Brits.

Every Aussie I've met has been so passionate about supporting their countrymen, win or lose.

As you say, if Darcy hadnt won you guys would have been proud of him, you certainly wouldnt be on here giving him a hard time.

 

I'm sure you get your share of knockers in Oz but we seem to have more than our share over here!