barrow boy Posted October 6, 2013 Report Share Posted October 6, 2013 I would bring into speedway the system for starting that is in use in BMX racing, get rid of tapes, all riders have to touch the bar, then go when it drops. starting gate problems solved If it was thin enough it might be worth trying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyretrax Posted October 6, 2013 Report Share Posted October 6, 2013 (edited) I would bring into speedway the system for starting that is in use in BMX racing, get rid of tapes, all riders have to touch the bar, then go when it drops. starting gate problems solved Where would the starting gate be? If it was on the straight it would need to go into a recess in the track, how would you keep the shale out. If it wasn't would you start at the end of the straight? Some tracks may not have the room to do this. I remember they tried a thick rope laid behind the bikes to stop backward movement, so maybe a bar behind the back wheel would be better. Edited October 6, 2013 by tyretrax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrow boy Posted October 7, 2013 Report Share Posted October 7, 2013 Where would the starting gate be? If it was on the straight it would need to go into a recess in the track, how would you keep the shale out. If it wasn't would you start at the end of the straight? Some tracks may not have the room to do this. I remember they tried a thick rope laid behind the bikes to stop backward movement, so maybe a bar behind the back wheel would be better. On a similar theme i.e. messing around at the starts. Yesterday at Leicester a rider was disqualified for not being ready to race by the time the 2 minute warning had expired. After this happened I timed the last minute after the announcer said that all riders now had less than 60 seconds to be ready to race and guess what every race got away on time. Simple isn't it. Why oh why cannot all referees apply this same logic? It would certainly cut out a lot of gardening delays and stop certain irritating starting marshalls from constantly finding it necessary to keep approaching riders to line up when he wants and not when they are ready to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrow boy Posted October 7, 2013 Report Share Posted October 7, 2013 On a similar theme i.e. messing around at the starts. Yesterday at Leicester a rider was disqualified for not being ready to race by the time the 2 minute warning had expired. After this happened I timed the last minute after the announcer said that all riders now had less than 60 seconds to be ready to race and guess what every race got away on time. Simple isn't it. Why oh why cannot all referees apply this same logic? It would certainly cut out a lot of gardening delays and stop certain irritating starting marshalls from constantly finding it necessary to keep approaching riders to line up when he wants and not when they are ready to. And still on starting gate matters I would like to see any rider who is deemed to have caused a false start for whatever reason, including going too soon, made to go from 15 metres. No reserve replacements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestGorton1884 Posted February 26, 2014 Report Share Posted February 26, 2014 Get rid of 'team' leathers / Kevlar's …. in the good old days riders were individuals , Nigel Boocock in blue , Ole Olsen in black , John 'Tiger' Louis , John Cook camoflauge ( what was that all about ?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted May 2, 2014 Report Share Posted May 2, 2014 Change the rider introductions, the riders seem to hate them and the fans aren't particularly wowed by them either. I've suggested on another thread that perhaps all the riders could come out on bikes, instead of lining up in a line get into some sort of gaggle/circle then the mic man could just introduce them as a team hopefully to rapturous applause of the crowd, then off they can go for their practice lap/starts? As for the racing, I'm liking the format we've got now so far with more similar ability races .... It's up to the promoters and riders to get I into the psyche of the local population, they just have to try harder ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrow boy Posted September 30, 2014 Report Share Posted September 30, 2014 I would imagine the fairest way to grade riders intially would be to use their GSAs from the previous season and take it from there. Exactly. Current form is always the best way to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted October 7, 2014 Report Share Posted October 7, 2014 Exactly. Current form is always the best way to go. i've always been against grades - the arguments are well rehearsed. BUT the disparity in GSAs this year due to the new race format means it is probably the best way forward. Heat leaders graded A or B depending on average (lowest grade B rider is Craig Cook - 6.06 GSA) riders who spent part of season as heat leader and part as second string graded B or C (so for example Danny King could be a 'B' and Richard Lawson a 'C' even though Lawson has the higher GSA) riders in second string positions graded C or D (highest grade C rider Niklas Porsing 6.10 GSA) Fast track riders grade E Then construct a team limit to suit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted October 8, 2014 Report Share Posted October 8, 2014 Converting gsa shouldn't be too tough though. 0.75 multiplier for2nd strings and .5 for ftr. Like your concept arnieg BUTmain issue would be class ification of riders on the borderline of grades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enotian Posted October 12, 2014 Report Share Posted October 12, 2014 Change the scoring and payments system so that the emphasis is on heat advantages. So still 3 for a win, 2 for 2nd etc etc but the match score is based on heat advantages. Eg a 5-1 or a 4-2 heat advantage would gain a team 1 match point. 3-3 drawn heats would result in no match points for either side. i.e. if the home team wins heat 1 4-2, they go 1 nil up. If heat 2 is a 3-3 it remains 1 nil. If the home team win heat 3 5-1 they go 2 nil up. As opposed to 12-6 in the current method. Effectively a 4-2 has the same value as a 5-1. Both are heat advantages that earn 1 match point. As for payments as far as I'm aware riders are paid per point scored but what if that was changed so that each heat had a prize fund (for illustrative purposes £1,000 per heat {heat 15 might be more}) Any heat advantage earns £1,000 for the winning team. Drawn heats see the prize fund split £500 each. This might encourage team riding. So instead of a heat leader charging away for 3 points they would be incentivised to generate a heat advantage, doubling their teams prize fund. How the end of meeting prize funds are distributed between the team would be up to each team. Worth a trial in the League or KO Cups??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Dyer Posted June 19, 2019 Report Share Posted June 19, 2019 (edited) Have a look at this: THE NICE CHALLENGE COMES TO THE UK WITH STANDARD TWO VALVE 500cc SPEEDWAY ENGINES. One of Polish Speedway’s most innovative challenges is coming to the Isle of Wight in a UK first when the NICE Challenge arrives on July 11th. The event, which uses uniform two valve 500 cc Jawa laydown engines fitted into the riders own frames, is sure to attract a lot of attention at a time when there seems to be much discussion for reducing engine and running costs within the sport. The NICE Challenge on the Isle of Wight is the first of several European events in 2019 to be backed by the international NICE organisation whose main business is based around home automation systems such as sliding gates and smart home products and who have been generous sponsors within league speedway in Poland for several years. The UK event will see twelve riders draw lots and select a standard engine that must then be fitted into their frame. The engines are being brought from Poland especially for the event so there will be total equality for each competitor. Riders will have a short practice on their nominated engine and then it is on with the racing which is expected to take the form of a twelve heat individual event followed by semi-finals and final. Wightlink Warriors Co-Promoter Barry Bishop who travelled to Gdansk to secure the meeting said, “Martin and I are absolutely delighted to be able to bring this innovative speedway meeting to the UK. In Poland, it is building momentum and I am sure there will be a lot of interest in the UK too. I am even more proud that we are able to start a relationship with NICE Polska SP to bring this to UK fans. There has been so much talk about engines, tuning, slowing speedway, and so on, well now fans will have the chance to see 12 riders on standard engines battle around the Smallbrook circuit to show and utilise their skill versa their engine tuning to win the NICE Challenge. This meeting is a major result for all the hard work everyone has put in on the Island over the last few years and this meeting shows our little club is watched throughout the speedway world. I hope that fans from across the UK will come and see this thrilling version of speedway and that it will be the big success it should be in action, attendance and identifying potential new ways in which our sport could move forward. Once again, the Island's speedway club has brought something fabulous to the Isle of Wight, and Smallbrook Stadium, and we should all be very proud.” Mr. Wojciech Jankowski of NICE Polska SP said, “Last year at the end of the season, following the success of Nice Cup series for the youngest riders on standard engines, we decided to organize a meeting for seniors at the Moto Arena in Torun. The meeting was an official end of Mariusz Puszakowski’s career (a Torun star rider). It was a great day with a lot fun during the engines ballot, searching for the right set-ups and because of engine standardisation not focusing on technological advances. The meeting was won by Antonio Lindback, in front of Krzysztof Buczkowski and Krzysztof Jabłoński in a great final. Due to the great interest in this format, we are organizing a couple of meetings in Europe in this new formula. The Isle of Wight round is going to be the first round of the new series. We are supplying the riders with standard engines, DeliTire tyres and Silkolene oil. Those riders who make the podium will be rewarded with products from Nice portfolio (gate operators, smart home systems, etc.).” The Secretary of The Polish Speedway Commission, GKSZ, and supervisor of the NICE Challenge Mr Marek Wojaczek added, “What is speedway about? To me it’s close racing, elbows, overtakings, skill and balance on the turns. It is not speed or best times. However, in today’s sport the technical regulations have created a situation in which the tuning of the engines is a vital factor for success in the sport. Therefore, a few years ago Mirek Dudek of PROMEX proposed another approach to the sport: standard two valve engines. Riders who compete on similar equipment need to prove their skills, choose sprockets properly and operate the throttle smartly. Such engines were produced by JAWA and since 2017 meetings in the formula have been organized under the NICE CUP brand. The engines are 500 cc, 2 valves, not tuned and are as similar to each other as possible. Riders draw a ballot for one of the engines before the meeting, put into their own frame, practise and race in the meeting. The characteristics of the engine makes riding easier; races are close and only the skills of riders decide the results. We believe this formula should help riders to prove their skills in competition and not rely on engine power alone.” The meeting will take place on Thursday July 11th at Smallbrook Stadium at Ryde on the Isle of Wight with admission from 5.30 pm ahead the first race 7.00pm. Edited June 19, 2019 by Rob Dyer 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
autodoor2030 Posted April 7, 2020 Report Share Posted April 7, 2020 This idea up to now 4/2020 is still great. However, when evaluating the competition among riders by scoring to decide which driver is good, I find it not convincing. Is there any way, or any idea to best decide on this issue? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 18, 2020 Report Share Posted May 18, 2020 Any opinions on a two season league´competition? An idea being put forward: http://www.kingslynn-speedway.com/news.php?extend.30976 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andout Posted May 19, 2020 Report Share Posted May 19, 2020 20 hours ago, gustix said: Any opinions on a two season league´competition? An idea being put forward: http://www.kingslynn-speedway.com/news.php?extend.30976 That has already been started in the Speedway News and Discussions section. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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