SCOTLAND1314 Posted September 19, 2009 Report Share Posted September 19, 2009 We all have our thoughts on what is wrong with speedway and can be quite vociferous in venting them on this forum. How about a thread that offers up all our ideas (hopefully with the emphasis on the positive...) on how to improve sppedway It doesn't have to be a grand thought out plan, or necessarily restricted to league speedway just your ideas on any aspect of speedway... you never know the promoters that read this forum might just take on one of our ideas... So I'll set the ball rolling. For starters get away from using averages to build each new season's team. There is too much controversy, time and effort revolving around them. IMO we should just have a free for all but am also not averse to using a system similar to that in Poland (which I think is something along these lines). Your reserves have to be under 21, thereby keeping the life blood of speedway going Maximum number of GP riders is 2 Minimum number of local riders (i.e. UK) in your team 2 or 3. I also feel that UK speedway teams should be allowed to construct a squad system, which they turn to in order to replace an injured rider. i.e. thereby getting rid of Guests and R/R and also getting away from the constant back biting about the eligibility of certain signings. These changes would allow a bit of continuity for teams and importantly for riders it will allow them to potentially build up a number of local sponsors i.e. at the minute with riders dotting between tracks it can be awkward for riders to start from scratch in a new area and attract sponsors. Anyway that's one for starters. I'd be interested to hear others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybikespeedway Posted September 19, 2009 Report Share Posted September 19, 2009 Iwould also not allow team to be built arond averages , but by grades (no not the complicated one used before) just 3 grades Heat leader, Second String and reserve Each team could biuld to a Maximum of 3 heat leaders ,2 Second strings and 2 reserves unless team changes were made, the team would be allowed regardless of league position to keep the same team for any number of seasons, this would be a great advantage to getting in sponsers with the promise of continuity in the team It would also encourage promotions to bring in youngsters knowing if they do well they wont have to let them go next season 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCOTLAND1314 Posted September 19, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 19, 2009 Iwould also not allow team to be built arond averages , but by grades (no not the complicated one used before) just 3 grades Heat leader, Second String and reserve Each team could biuld to a Maximum of 3 heat leaders ,2 Second strings and 2 reserves unless team changes were made, the team would be allowed regardless of league position to keep the same team for any number of seasons, this would be a great advantage to getting in sponsers with the promise of continuity in the team It would also encourage promotions to bring in youngsters knowing if they do well they wont have to let them go next season How would you decide who is a heat leader, Second string etc? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybikespeedway Posted September 19, 2009 Report Share Posted September 19, 2009 How would you decide who is a heat leader, Second string etc? open to debate but as a starter over 7.00 heatleader btween 4.5 and 7.00 second string , below 4.5 reserve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCOTLAND1314 Posted September 19, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 19, 2009 open to debate but as a starter over 7.00 heatleader btween 4.5 and 7.00 second string , below 4.5 reserve I think this fact still keeps some of the arguments over averages.. i.e. one person's interpretation of heat leader is 7.00 others it may be 8.5... etc How do you rate a foreign newcomer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybikespeedway Posted September 19, 2009 Report Share Posted September 19, 2009 I think this fact still keeps some of the arguments over averages.. i.e. one person's interpretation of heat leader is 7.00 others it may be 8.5... etc How do you rate a foreign newcomer? as I said its open to debate foreign newcomers could be as they are now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCOTLAND1314 Posted September 19, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 19, 2009 as I said its open to debate foreign newcomers could be as they are now True, my point being is to take away subjective issues. No averages, would mean you can bring in any class of rider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybikespeedway Posted September 19, 2009 Report Share Posted September 19, 2009 True, my point being is to take away subjective issues. No averages, would mean you can bring in any class of rider. Of course riders would have averages , but they would not be used for team building but getting a grading Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano Posted September 19, 2009 Report Share Posted September 19, 2009 Box standard sealed engines for league speedway. Individuals and internationals tune to as much as you can afford. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybikespeedway Posted September 19, 2009 Report Share Posted September 19, 2009 Box standard sealed engines for league speedway. Individuals and internationals tune to as much as you can afford. Yep spot on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCOTLAND1314 Posted September 19, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 19, 2009 Of course riders would have averages , but they would not be used for team building but getting a grading Apologies I don't think I explained my point well enough. I'd want no averages so that you could bring in any class of rider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCOTLAND1314 Posted September 19, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 19, 2009 Box standard sealed engines for league speedway. Individuals and internationals tune to as much as you can afford. Not sure I understand this one completely. How would this work? How would it improve speedway? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
czechhero Posted September 19, 2009 Report Share Posted September 19, 2009 I would imagine the fairest way to grade riders intially would be to use their GSAs from the previous season and take it from there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybikespeedway Posted September 19, 2009 Report Share Posted September 19, 2009 Apologies I don't think I explained my point well enough. I'd want no averages so that you could bring in any class of rider. I think that would lead to Cheque book speedway if there was no regulation at all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano Posted September 19, 2009 Report Share Posted September 19, 2009 (edited) Not sure I understand this one completely. How would this work? How would it improve speedway? Personally I feel it would bring out ability rather than the one with the richest parents from the off. Those who's parents are on a lower income could compete on the same level. Above all it could bring down riders wages and make speedway cheaper, with no net loss to either promoter or rider. Plenty of other sports have standard out of the box classes with limited tuning rules, speedway has some but prefers to line the pockets of expensive aftermarket parts and expensive tuners. Not sure it would improve the racing, would definitely slow them down I guess. Edited September 19, 2009 by Deano Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCOTLAND1314 Posted September 19, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 19, 2009 Personally I feel it would bring out ability rather than the one with the richest parents from the off. Those who's parents are on a lower income could compete on the same level. Above all it could bring down riders wages and make speedway cheaper, with no net loss to either promoter or rider. Plenty of other sports have standard out of the box classes with limited tuning rules, speedway has some but prefers to line the pockets of expensive aftermarket parts and expensive tuners. Not sure it would improve the racing, would definitely slow them down I guess. V interesting. You write that other sports have standard out the box equipment, which ones are you thinking of? How would we control the 'sealed' element of the proposal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCOTLAND1314 Posted September 19, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 19, 2009 I think that would lead to Cheque book speedway if there was no regulation at all And I guess you think this would be bad. Why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano Posted September 19, 2009 Report Share Posted September 19, 2009 (edited) V interesting. You write that other sports have standard out the box equipment, which ones are you thinking of? How would we control the 'sealed' element of the proposal? The four wheeled kind, some types of car competitions for example race box standard 1.0L VW Polo's. It's very close stuff, the only way they can pass is by forcing their way through. Couldn't do that in speedway obviously. The sealed bit is tough, but other sports use some kind of item that would break when the engine is broken apart (like a unique coloured wax seal). Also the engine and security type bolts could be sprayed a colour to reveal scratch marks if tools have attacked it. They'd have to work with the manufacturer of course, but there are ways to stop it and in all purposes, if a rider was two seconds per race quicker than everyone else....... the machine examiner would pay a visit. Edited September 19, 2009 by Deano Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybikespeedway Posted September 19, 2009 Report Share Posted September 19, 2009 And I guess you think this would be bad. Why? I would not say it would be a bad idea , but knowing speedway promoters they would not GO and promote to get the money ,they would say to their regulars "well its going to cost you £25 to get in so we can compete" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCOTLAND1314 Posted September 19, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 19, 2009 The four wheeled kind, some types of car competitions for example race box standard 1.0L VW Polo's. It's very close stuff, the only way they can pass is by forcing their way through. Couldn't do that in speedway obviously. The sealed bit is tough, but other sports use some kind of item that would break when the engine is broken apart (like a unique coloured wax seal). Also the engine and security type bolts could be sprayed a colour to reveal scratch marks if tools have attacked it. They'd have to work with the manufacturer of course, but there are ways to stop it and in all purposes, if a rider was two seconds per race quicker than everyone else....... the machine examiner would pay a visit. The idea has its merits, perhaps cheaper up keep for riders. That said I've watched the A1GP stuff which is based on standard cars (with limited team tuning etc) and the racing is dull. I also think it would be very difficult to police. What happens when the engine goes for its first maintenance? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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