Midland Red Posted October 7, 2009 Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 There are two distinct issues here 1 Should GB have (2) places in the GPs 2 Who should received any GB wildcard place(s) In all the "glorious" years of the World Championship, appearance in the one-off final was both by nationality and qualification, as places were allocated to the leading riders in the final rounds of qualification events in (inter alia) GB, Scandinavia, "Continental" Europe Agreed the GB rounds including the Australia/New Zealand riders, but essentially berths on World Final day were "allocated" to British riders - allocations varying from season to season Almost entirely, apart from some nominations which have been mentioned elsewhere, a World Final berth was then down to ability on the day(s) of the qualifying rounds As far as 2010 is concerned, if GB get two wildcards, Chris Harris has to be a leading contender based on his standings in BEL and GP, including the GP Challenge, also his British Championship The other is less obvious as all leading candidates - Woffinden, Bridger, Kennett, Richardson, Nicholls - all have plusses and minusses against their names Personally I would go with Woffinden to join Harris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superguest Posted October 7, 2009 Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 Why is it OK to think of putting Darcy in, as an adopted Brit. If you put him in, just leave the Brit part out. Whats the difference. Then if the British fans can accept that, then go one step further. Pick the best 16 riders. Leave nationality out. After all it is an individual world championship. Its F1 not A1GP If the best 16 give you a more exciting GP then more Sky viewers will watch then more TV advertisers will be attracted. I agree with snyper. What I mean is British fans will see him as an adopted Brit. A lot will go to Cardiff and cheer for him much like a lot of Poles cheer for Emil. Who are the best 16 riders? I think you can say who the Top 10 is but the top 16 is all down to opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pugwash Posted October 7, 2009 Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 Personally, I think the single biggest problem with the SGP just now (other than the track surfaces ) is that it is restricted to a 15 man permanent field. That is far too limiting. Things were much more interesting when there were 22 permanent members in the series. That offered much more scope for the young hopefuls to get in and mix it. I'm not sure that the format used back then was ideal, but the larger field was certainly preferable. Agree with the first part, but I did rather like the eliminator stages as it gave an injection of excitement into the early proceedings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edward Barrett Posted October 7, 2009 Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 Tai will get his chance but 2010 is 1 year to soon. Think about it, he's dealing with a hell of a lot privately isn't he & there is far more to come. I take my hat off to the lad & his Mother how they're dealing with that. The lad will need to deal with & get over that won't he, going into the GP this year will be a mistake, if he fails we may just see his head drop & yet another British superstar is lost to us, do we want to see that? NO. Give the lad another season, that's all i'm saying. Very fair and very sympathetic post, and one can only sympathise with both him and his family at this time. But, does'nt it just show what strength of charecter he must have to cope with this situation and not let it affect his performances this season? If he can handle this situation, then the "pressure" of the GPs will be nothing in comparison. He probably would not have a debut like the young Russian, someone like him is a 'one off', but I would be willing to have a modest bet that he would have a credible season. It certainly would not be anything like the embarrasing flop that Mr "superstar" Nicholls produced this year!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted October 7, 2009 Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 It certainly would not be anything like the embarrasing flop that Mr "superstar" Nicholls produced this year!! And not just THIS year.... We MUST dump Nicholls, without any question. Personally I'd go with Tai and either Bridger or Eddie.. I've been a big fan of Ed's for a long time so I am biased in his favour...; but perhaps if we are looking for a young pairing who can take us forward, the attitude-ridden duo of Tai & Lewis may well be what we need.. Sometimes you have to speculate to accumulate..!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUDGIE Posted October 7, 2009 Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 (edited) What does a F1 drivers nationality have to do with anything? Thats how they select F1 drivers to ensure a worldwide appeal in the most important markets. Expect a Chinese and/or an Indian driver soon. This form of selection actually increases audiences, something that I bet IMG would love to be able to achive. Edited October 7, 2009 by BUDGIE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted October 7, 2009 Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 Personally I'd go with Tai and either Bridger or Eddie.. Sometimes you have to speculate to accumulate..!! Good job you have nowt to do with selecting the riders then It isn't a series to help riders develop into world class level.They should be that before entering.Something strange about your suggestion.To even mention Bridger and the GP series leaves you open to the ridicule you often recieve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARK246 Posted October 7, 2009 Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 Good job you have nowt to do with selecting the riders then It isn't a series to help riders develop into world class level.They should be that before entering.Something strange about your suggestion.To even mention Bridger and the GP series leaves you open to the ridicule you often recieve Kennett's form in Sweden isn't good either 15 points from 20 races this year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted October 7, 2009 Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 Kennett's form in Sweden isn't good either 15 points from 20 races this year Yes.The tears of laughter from reading Bridgers name obscured Edward..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JT Posted October 7, 2009 Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 (edited) Perhaps as many as Nicholls..!! But Nicholls qualified for the series in the first place and finished in the top 8 in 2003 and 2007. Not that he deserves a place this year but at least he has actually qualified in the past. Harris has relied on these wild cards from the very beginning and the odd GP apart often looks outclassed. JT. Edited October 7, 2009 by JT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted October 7, 2009 Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 Yes.The tears of laughter from reading Bridgers name obscured Edward..... Hmm, as usual you come up with literally NOTHING constructive... Not everyone agrees with your assessment. Before I posted there was this fairly accurate contribution: The other is less obvious as all leading candidates - Woffinden, Bridger, Kennett, Richardson, Nicholls - all have plusses and minusses against their names So, you see there are others who have Bridger down as a candidate. World Under 21 Finalist and World Cup team member...: why the ridicule..? Or more to the point who would you suggest..? Go on, tell us Nicholls and Richardson...: now that REALLY would be laughable!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUDGIE Posted October 7, 2009 Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 (edited) So then to sum up, in the sprirt of the subject, if its one nomination, the general thought seems to be it should be Harris, and if its 2 nominations it should be Harris and Woffinden, I've got to say that I would have to agree with that. Edited October 7, 2009 by BUDGIE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted October 7, 2009 Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 (edited) Kennett's form in Sweden isn't good either 15 points from 20 races this year here is Kennett's scores in Sweden this year: home meetings at Kråkvilan a British style track: http://www.speedway.nu/2009/ReportNY.asp?elit.HA http://www.speedway.nu/2009/ReportNY.asp?elit.HC Away meetings: http://www.speedway.nu/2009/ReportNY.asp?elit.FH http://www.speedway.nu/2009/ReportNY.asp?elit.GH and if i am not totally wrong both away tracks is quite short aswell? So could anyone really claim that Kennett is GP material? Edited October 7, 2009 by Ghostwalker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snyper1010 Posted October 7, 2009 Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 Ok heres a question. Would a lack of "Brits" stop you going to Cardiff or tuning in for a GP on Sky? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulco Posted October 7, 2009 Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 Ok heres a question. Would a lack of "Brits" stop you going to Cardiff or tuning in for a GP on Sky? No , if they closed the Prince of Wales pub - that would stop me going to Cardiff . And i've long since lost interest in tuning into Sky for the GP's , apart from checking out the Start Girls , who are by far the most entertaining part of GP racing . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomcat Posted October 7, 2009 Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 Ok heres a question. Would a lack of "Brits" stop you going to Cardiff or tuning in for a GP on Sky? In a Nutshell... NO. BUT... it still wouldn't stop the GP tracks being as slick a the M25 and as sterile as always. So it wouldn't matter to me who was in the 16, as the racing probably wouldn't be any better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edward Barrett Posted October 7, 2009 Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 but perhaps if we are looking for a young pairing who can take us forward, the attitude-ridden duo of Tai & Lewis may well be what we need.. Sometimes you have to speculate to accumulate..!! Would the tracks be big enough to cope with them?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snyper1010 Posted October 7, 2009 Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 Well i also would turn up at Cardiff regardless of the 16 riders nationality. Aslong as they are regarded as the 16 best in the world. Which even now we aint getting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sotonian Posted October 7, 2009 Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 Aslong as they are regarded as the 16 best in the world. Which even now we aint getting. And arguably never have done in any World Final, be it traditional or GP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snyper1010 Posted October 7, 2009 Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 And arguably never have done in any World Final, be it traditional or GP. I would rather see someone earn their place through riding than have it handed to them due to their birth place. I will more than happily watch Zorro in the GPs as he earned his place there. Unlike others who appear in the series year in year out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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