Gp Challenge

[Thischarmingman]

Embarrassing winner.

Holder superb.

 

So, the one guy who got 14 points out of a possible 15 in a quality field was embarrassing, but the other guy who got 14 out of 15 was superb. As far as I can remember it has never been Zorro's home track, and certainly hasn't been Holder's so no advantage to either. I'm confused...

[HenryW]

So, the one guy who got 14 points out of a possible 15 in a quality field was embarrassing, but the other guy who got 14 out of 15 was superb. As far as I can remember it has never been Zorro's home track, and certainly hasn't been Holder's so no advantage to either. I'm confused...

Look at the way the match went last night and how ridiculously lucky Zorro was...

Then look at how ridiculously lucky he was to even be there in the first place...

Then look at how poor his league form is compared to Holder....

 

I'm guessing that's where the op was probably coming from....

[Pollyanna]

Until Holder gets hurt riding on these slick rutted up tracks or his form drops off in Britian with 15 Gp's planned for 2010, along with Polish and Swedish fixtures

 

No increase in the number of GPs next year, according to Ole Olsen (SS interview) .

 

Looking to go farther afield perhaps in 2011.

[iris123]

According to the FIM President the GPs must expand into other countries.GP future

[Trees]

It says this apparently:

 

FIM president Vito Ippolito is content with the developments in the Speedway Grand Prix. “In countries, in which the Speedway Grand Prix gastiert, it is very successful”, means FIM president Vito Ippolito. “Global seen we are locally content also with the ratings in the television as well as with the number of fans. Now must be invested into the expansion of the series to make around it a world-wide event.” In addition, the 57-jährige Venezolaner sees problems in the course haven: “Contrary to nearly all other engine haven disciplines there is no support in the Bahnsoprt by the manufacturers. We talk however about a really attractive and spectacular kind of sport. Important it is therefore that we find methods and ways, to merge sponsors into the sport who have to do less with the motorcycles, but directly addresses the public.”

[The Know]

So, the one guy who got 14 points out of a possible 15 in a quality field was embarrassing, but the other guy who got 14 out of 15 was superb. As far as I can remember it has never been Zorro's home track, and certainly hasn't been Holder's so no advantage to either. I'm confused...

holder will bring plenty to the gp as zorro will bring nothing. nice guy but to old and not good enough.

[The Know]

It says this apparently:

 

FIM president Vito Ippolito is content with the developments in the Speedway Grand Prix. “In countries, in which the Speedway Grand Prix gastiert, it is very successful”, means FIM president Vito Ippolito. “Global seen we are locally content also with the ratings in the television as well as with the number of fans. Now must be invested into the expansion of the series to make around it a world-wide event.” In addition, the 57-jährige Venezolaner sees problems in the course haven: “Contrary to nearly all other engine haven disciplines there is no support in the Bahnsoprt by the manufacturers. We talk however about a really attractive and spectacular kind of sport. Important it is therefore that we find methods and ways, to merge sponsors into the sport who have to do less with the motorcycles, but directly addresses the public.”

rose tinted glasses and no idea spring to mind.

[Phlipphlopp]

holder will bring plenty to the gp as zorro will bring nothing. nice guy but to old and not good enough.

 

Good enough to win this event.Who knows in the GP's ? He's earned his crack.Suppose you want Hancock out the GP's due to his age as well ? He's there on merit , end of.

[Ghostwalker]

Good enough to win this event.Who knows in the GP's ? He's earned his crack.Suppose you want Hancock out the GP's due to his age as well ? He's there on merit , end of.

SO you reckon that riders like Zorro, PK, Max... are just as good as Greg just because they are "the same" age as Greg who is still good?

 

 

[britmet]

SO you reckon that riders like Zorro, PK, Max... are just as good as Greg just because they are "the same" age as Greg who is still good?

Indeed, Greg is there in his declining years, - ie reduced to a world No.2/ No.4, whereas anyone starting into this (SGP) level at 38 is unlikely to improve up to SGP level.

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[andout]

I'm not sure if anyone has said this already but I'm not going back to check all those pages.

 

My point......TONS of people wanted the old type World Final back where every rider gets an opportunity of getting to the World Final....isn't this what Zorro has done even if it is the GP? He came good on the day, which in a World final was all that counted...just ask Szackiel in '73.

 

I certainly don't think he is going to disgrace himself in the GP series....that has been done by others in the past few years.

 

And on the subject of NO British riders in the GP....I'm not biased to this...I am a Canadian but my feeling is a British Rider MUST be the GP series, if only to keep Cardiff alive and well....most say he is not ready but I say give Woffinden a chance....he will certainly be out to prove himself and will NOT disgrace himself, how else does he get the experience.

 

Good Luck to Zorro in the GP next year!!!

 

 

[Phlipphlopp]

SO you reckon that riders like Zorro, PK, Max... are just as good as Greg just because they are "the same" age as Greg who is still good?

All i said is that Zorro deserves to be there on merit, but too many on here are concentrating on his age and not his ability.He won through, and deservedly so.Greg is still good for his age , and so is Zorro.Do you really think he should give up his GP chance just because he's 37/38 ?

Edited September 20, 2009 by phlipphlop

[Dekker]

Zorro deserves to be there, but the GP series suffers from the qualifiers being for NEXT year.

[Sotonian]

And on the subject of NO British riders in the GP....I'm not biased to this...I am a Canadian but my feeling is a British Rider MUST be the GP series, if only to keep Cardiff alive and well....most say he is not ready but I say give Woffinden a chance....he will certainly be out to prove himself and will NOT disgrace himself, how else does he get the experience.

A British wild card is sufficient to maintain Cardiff interest.

[sjw ministerofport]

I can understand BSI wanting to use the top riders and I can see why they need to put a British rider in the series but there will always be moans. I say bring qualification rounds back for all of the riders like in the past. Don't forget that World champions had to go through qualification rounds along with every other rider and the best managed to get through for the final nearly all the time. Past champions didn't have ten rounds to show they were the best, they had to be at their best to qualify and then one shot for the crown. Qualifying rounds gave every rider a chance and those meeting held around the country were well worth watching.

[Trees]

rose tinted glasses and no idea spring to mind.

And that comes from one who has been there done that!

[Ghostwalker]

All i said is that Zorro deserves to be there on merit, but too many on here are concentrating on his age and not his ability.He won through, and deservedly so.Greg is still good for his age , and so is Zorro.Do you really think he should give up his GP chance just because he's 37/38 ?

 

No he should not give up because of his age itself but because of his standard which, i doubt at his age, will improve to next season.

 

Especially since he plans/planned to ride in Three leagues next season.

I would like to compare him with Adams who have riding in 2½ leagues this season and

haven't done particularly well in the GPs this season. Or with PK who was still a pretty good league rider last season

but who have dropped this year.

 

Zorro also have a family and kids how many days/month will he be home to see his kids? when he will have a meeting almost everyday

if he decides to go ahead with his plans to ride in Sweden, Poland and England.

 

Its hard for all new riders to ride a full GP season. Usually it takes 2-3 seasons to really get established in the Gps and

for a younger rider that is no problems because they have the time and will usually improve from one season to the next.

But for someone who is 38 there is much speaking for improvements when they usually have passed zenith many years ago.

 

I know he won the GP challenge but so did Ulamek and Walsek last year and how good have they been this season?

The exception is Bjerre who have done very good at his first season.

 

How many of the last years qualifiers have established themselves in the GPs?

Bjerre and? ..Holta and Andersen qualified via GP challenge 2006 and managed top in 2007.

Jagus, Ulamek, Walasek, Iversen, Bjarne P, Lukas Dryml all failed.

Edited September 20, 2009 by Ghostwalker

[pirateandi]

Bjarne was by far the most consistent out of the names you just mentioned there GW

[T.N.T.]

My point......TONS of people wanted the old type World Final back where every rider gets an opportunity of getting to the World Final....isn't this what Zorro has done even if it is the GP? He came good on the day, which in a World final was all that counted...just ask Szackiel in '73.

 

I certainly don't think he is going to disgrace himself in the GP series....that has been done by others in the past few years.

The difference is that if it was a one day World Final, Zorro would have come through the Swedish Final consisting of Lindgren, Jonsson etc ..... then the Scandanavian/Nordic Final featuring the Swedes plus Nicki P, Andersen, Bjerre, Iversen etc etc .... then he would have ridden in an Inter-Continental Final featuring the riders already listed plus Woffinden, Nichools, Crump, Adams, Holder and all the nig Aussies and Brits

 

 

Szackiel in '73 only had to go through the Continental Qualifiers but these days the Poles would have to compete in new rounds featuring the riders already list from Scandanavia and the Commonwealth.

 

 

 

As for Zorro not disgracing himself in the GP;s .... He may have the odd one or two heat wins during the season ..... but to think he would heat over 50 points from 15 meetings would be very hard to see !