srbramble Posted August 30, 2009 Report Share Posted August 30, 2009 Just looked like a tough plastic sheeting velcroed together at the edges Well, I thought it can't be that complicated, but I've listened to those who say they know the difficulties in covering the tracks( sweating, difficult shape to cover, blah, blah blah). It seems to be a simple task made difficult by the so called experts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beeone Posted August 30, 2009 Report Share Posted August 30, 2009 He never changes does he? Seen him do that so many times. Also what's with all the spitting? Makes me feel sick. Couldn't agree more, my other half said "why don't they keep the camera of him the dirty pig" she reckons he makes her feel sick too! Anyone remember 'spit the dog' on Tiswas, remind you of anyone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slav2 Posted August 30, 2009 Report Share Posted August 30, 2009 FIM Nordic SGP Vojens Photos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted August 30, 2009 Report Share Posted August 30, 2009 It was nice to see a Final without any of the favourites. They tend to be pretty much gate and go in these sort of conditions unlike the youngsters. Emil, Zagar, AJ, Freddie, Holder etc hopefully next season. There were a few good races, more than one would expect given the conditions, and a fresher looking final line-up. At least one of Crump, Hancock, Gollob, Nicki Pedersen and Rickardsson has appeared in all but 2 of the GP finals since the start of 2001 (up to last night). The exceptions were: 2006 Prague: Andersen, Zagar, Lindback, Hampel 2002 Cardiff: Sullivan, Wiltshire,M Karlsson, Adams PS Note to Nigel Pearson - likening speedway riders competing for points to the M25 in the rush hour seems to miss the mark. If speedway riders travelled as fast as M25 rush hour traffic we'd be looking at a track record time of 7 minutes! (and that's the M25 on a good day ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philfromcov Posted August 30, 2009 Report Share Posted August 30, 2009 Well, I thought it can't be that complicated, but I've listened to those who say they know the difficulties in covering the tracks( sweating, difficult shape to cover, blah, blah blah). It seems to be a simple task made difficult by the so called experts. i suspect the problem is drainage? you can keep the rain off the track but it will just go to the inside, so unless you have a good drainage system you just move the water around! starting to pick up a bit of polish now listening to there commentary, who is the hot chick that presents the show? sorry i mean young lady! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machinn Posted August 30, 2009 Report Share Posted August 30, 2009 Not a bad GP, I too was wondering about British promoters adopting the track covering. Classic Kelvin quote halfway through- "He's on the pace, but unfortunately trailing at the back" Very interesting logic their Tatum! Nice to hear from Tai and as usual Sam in the studio, good input from both of them. Some okay races with a mixture of boring ones. Nice to see some different riders on the podium Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted August 30, 2009 Report Share Posted August 30, 2009 There were a few good races, more than one would expect given the conditions, and a fresher looking final line-up. At least one of Crump, Hancock, Gollob, Nicki Pedersen and Rickardsson has appeared in all but 2 of the GP finals since the start of 2001 (up to last night). The exceptions were: 2006 Prague: Andersen, Zagar, Lindback, Hampel 2002 Cardiff: Sullivan, Wiltshire,M Karlsson, Adams Sadly, even before reading the answer to the exception I knew which 2 they were. My only defence is that I was at both (also, Cardiff 2002 final was always going to see a first time GP winner, whoever happened to win the final and I knew that at the time too, embarrassingly, so did Tony Millard) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPNY Posted August 31, 2009 Report Share Posted August 31, 2009 I thought it was an ok GP. Being on the other side of the world, I managed to stay awake till 5:30am watching it this time - fell asleep halfway through the last 2. Nice to see Crump not have things all his own way. Not so good that Tomas & Greg couldnt make up any ground. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lake Bodom Comet Posted August 31, 2009 Report Share Posted August 31, 2009 Not a bad GP, I too was wondering about British promoters adopting the track covering. Classic Kelvin quote halfway through- "He's on the pace, but unfortunately trailing at the back" Very interesting logic their Tatum! Nice to hear from Tai and as usual Sam in the studio, good input from both of them. Some okay races with a mixture of boring ones. Nice to see some different riders on the podium er...Kelvin Tatum wasn't commentating on this GP, it was Steve Johnson and Pearson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbold Posted August 31, 2009 Report Share Posted August 31, 2009 Nice to see Crump not have things all his own way. And yet he still increased his lead.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gary moore Posted August 31, 2009 Report Share Posted August 31, 2009 Is it Holta's birthday? Dont get me started on Pearson? Does Steve Johnston take a breath??lol! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gary moore Posted August 31, 2009 Report Share Posted August 31, 2009 Nice jugs on Miss Yellow Quality!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srbramble Posted August 31, 2009 Report Share Posted August 31, 2009 i suspect the problem is drainage? you can keep the rain off the track but it will just go to the inside, so unless you have a good drainage system you just move the water around! starting to pick up a bit of polish now listening to there commentary, who is the hot chick that presents the show? sorry i mean young lady! A drainage channel running around the inside and collecting all the water at one point, and the covers raised around the outside so the water runs down and into the channel. If the covers can be attached high up on the fence on the outside, this will keep it secure. It seems simple enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob B Posted August 31, 2009 Report Share Posted August 31, 2009 The only positive thing to come out of the GP last night, was the track cover. It would be interesting to know what the cost of it was, the material used and how it is utilised. British promotion please take note. Just looked like a tough plastic sheeting velcroed together at the edges Well, I thought it can't be that complicated, but I've listened to those who say they know the difficulties in covering the tracks( sweating, difficult shape to cover, blah, blah blah). It seems to be a simple task made difficult by the so called experts. Got back from Vojens last night had a close look at the track covers. Spoke to someone apparently they cost £20,000. They have been made to exactly to size of the contours of the track, each panel is numbered. They are made out of thick heavy duty plastic, there was thick piece of velcro holding each piece together but down the egdes there was steel rope sewn into the cover to weigh the edge down so wind doesn't lift edges up. They did great job, they carefully pulled each section from the outside onto the centre green so all the water ran onto the grass then pulled it back over the track and lifted it over the fence. Track was bone dry underneath. Personally thought they should have given it a quick water before the racing started as it was dusty. If they hadn't had the covers no chance the meeting would have been on the amount of rain there was during the day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted August 31, 2009 Report Share Posted August 31, 2009 QUOTE (Rob B @ Aug 31 2009, 03:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Got back from Vojens last night had a close look at the track covers. Spoke to someone apparently they cost £20,000. They have been made to exactly to size of the contours of the track, each panel is numbered. They are made out of thick heavy duty plastic, there was thick piece of velcro holding each piece together but down the egdes there was steel rope sewn into the cover to weigh the edge down so wind doesn't lift edges up. They did great job, they carefully pulled each section from the outside onto the centre green so all the water ran onto the grass then pulled it back over the track and lifted it over the fence. Track was bone dry underneath. Personally thought they should have given it a quick water before the racing started as it was dusty. If they hadn't had the covers no chance the meeting would have been on the amount of rain there was during the day. Going into all that detail,you forgot the sandbags as well to hold the covers down.I also had a close look.....they were nearly dumped on top of me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted August 31, 2009 Report Share Posted August 31, 2009 QUOTE (Rob B @ Aug 31 2009, 03:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Got back from Vojens last night had a close look at the track covers. Spoke to someone apparently they cost £20,000. They have been made to exactly to size of the contours of the track, each panel is numbered. They are made out of thick heavy duty plastic, there was thick piece of velcro holding each piece together but down the egdes there was steel rope sewn into the cover to weigh the edge down so wind doesn't lift edges up. They did great job, they carefully pulled each section from the outside onto the centre green so all the water ran onto the grass then pulled it back over the track and lifted it over the fence. Track was bone dry underneath. Personally thought they should have given it a quick water before the racing started as it was dusty. WIth your description i am pretty sure that it is PVC covered polyester the same kind that is used for tarpaulins and similar products. Its likely though that the material they use is a thicker tarpaulin material probably a 900gr/m2 version mostly used for these kinds of structures : http://www.pmh-hallen.com/2/product/PMH-La...rior-bilder.php . each piece of the track covers usually consists of smaller pieces that is welded together with a HF plastic welder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srbramble Posted August 31, 2009 Report Share Posted August 31, 2009 QUOTE (Rob B @ Aug 31 2009, 02:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Got back from Vojens last night had a close look at the track covers. Spoke to someone apparently they cost £20,000. They have been made to exactly to size of the contours of the track, each panel is numbered. They are made out of thick heavy duty plastic, there was thick piece of velcro holding each piece together but down the egdes there was steel rope sewn into the cover to weigh the edge down so wind doesn't lift edges up. They did great job, they carefully pulled each section from the outside onto the centre green so all the water ran onto the grass then pulled it back over the track and lifted it over the fence. Track was bone dry underneath. Personally thought they should have given it a quick water before the racing started as it was dusty. If they hadn't had the covers no chance the meeting would have been on the amount of rain there was during the day. Sounds an awful lot of money for a few pieces of plastic, so there must be something we don't know about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted August 31, 2009 Report Share Posted August 31, 2009 Sounds an awful lot of money for a few pieces of plastic, so there must be something we don't know about. 20k for the amount of covering that's needed doesn't seem that excessive, not when you consider it's all built to measure rather than just off the shelf. Promoter claim rains offs cost them 5-8k, this kit pays for itself after 4 meetings have been saved, for some clubs that's in a single season, then going forward each seaosn after that it starts to make money. Then there all those not so great meeting we see that could be made better due to these covers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srbramble Posted August 31, 2009 Report Share Posted August 31, 2009 20k for the amount of covering that's needed doesn't seem that excessive, not when you consider it's all built to measure rather than just off the shelf. Promoter claim rains offs cost them 5-8k, this kit pays for itself after 4 meetings have been saved, for some clubs that's in a single season, then going forward each seaosn after that it starts to make money. Then there all those not so great meeting we see that could be made better due to these covers. Don't get me wrong, as I've championed the cause for covers for a while. I was just saying that there maybe a cheaper way of manufacturing the covers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted August 31, 2009 Report Share Posted August 31, 2009 20k for the amount of covering that's needed doesn't seem that excessive, not when you consider it's all built to measure rather than just off the shelf. Promoter claim rains offs cost them 5-8k, this kit pays for itself after 4 meetings have been saved, for some clubs that's in a single season, then going forward each seaosn after that it starts to make money. Then there all those not so great meeting we see that could be made better due to these covers. 20k is imo almost a bargain. These types of PVC covered polyester tarpaulins can sometimes be very expensive. so 20k for one that covers the whole track is very cheap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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