DutchGrasstrack Posted January 16, 2010 Report Share Posted January 16, 2010 Results from todays Iceracing meeting in Warten (NL)... 1. Johnny Tuinstra 2. Tjitte Bootsma 3. Wiebe Vochteloo 4. Gerrit Schukken 5. Simon Reitsma 6. Johan Schaap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted January 17, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2010 Good effort from Fürst and Niedermaier.Hope Bauer is not too badly injured.Bad luck for Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted January 17, 2010 Report Share Posted January 17, 2010 Three Finns in the GP last year, only Aakko this year after qualifying from the easiest quali at Saalfelden. Well, if you are #1 you get to choose and thats only right! He's not ridden all that bad this season either. Lehtinen was a disappointment yesterday, that can't be argued. Järf had ridden over Posch in his first ride and damaged his bike enough to be forced to switch to his spare bike. He couldn't keep up with the others with that one (probably not with his #1 either, but now we'll never know). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conkers Posted January 17, 2010 Report Share Posted January 17, 2010 Three Finns in the GP last year, only Aakko this year after qualifying from the easiest quali at Saalfelden. Well, if you are #1 you get to choose and thats only right! He's not ridden all that bad this season either. Lehtinen was a disappointment yesterday, that can't be argued. Järf had ridden over Posch in his first ride and damaged his bike enough to be forced to switch to his spare bike. He couldn't keep up with the others with that one (probably not with his #1 either, but now we'll never know). Watching Jouni Seppenan and Henri Malinen in Sanok, they rode well, but were not in the same class as the others, as their scores show. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DutchGrasstrack Posted January 17, 2010 Report Share Posted January 17, 2010 Iceracing, European Championship, Ufa (Russia) Semi Final - 23/01/10 1. Nikolay Kaminsky (Ukraine) 2. Claude Gadeyne (France) 3. Fredrik Johansson (Sweden) 4. Florian Fürst (Germany) 5. Rene Stellingwerf (Netherlands) 6. Ilya Drozdov (Russia) 7. Andrey Diviš (Czech Republic) 8. Antonin Klatovsky (Czech Republic) 9. Juunir Baseev (Russia) 10. Ulf Ledstrom (Sweden) 11. Heinz Goldi (Switzerland) 12. Martin Leitner (Austria) 13. Michal Widera (Poland) ?? 14. Jo Seatre (Norway) 15. Jussi Nyronen (Finland) 16. Grzegorz Knapp (Poland) ?? 17. Maxim Zakharov (Russia) 18. Mikhail Bogdanov (Russia) Final - 24/01/10 1. Jan klatovsky (Czech Republic) 2. 7th from SF 3. Kai Lehtinen (Finland) 4. 3rd from SF 5. 1st from SF 6. 4th from ST 7. Danil Golosheykin (Russia) 8. Sergey Karachintsev (Russia) 9. Joakim Söderström (Sweden) 10. Harald Simon (Austria) 11. 6th from SF 12. 2nd from SF 13. Christoph Kirchner (Germany) 14. Sven Holstayn (Netherlands) 15. 5th from SF 16. 8th from SF 17. 9th from SF 18. 10th from SF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted January 17, 2010 Report Share Posted January 17, 2010 Watching Jouni Seppenan and Henri Malinen in Sanok, they rode well, but were not in the same class as the others, as their scores show. I watched about eight heats before the feed started to play up so gave up. The ice looked really bad/soft but what do I know. A bit disappointed they did not do better... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DutchGrasstrack Posted January 18, 2010 Report Share Posted January 18, 2010 Grand Prix 2010, Lineup: KHOMITSEVITCH Vitali KHOMITSEVITCH Dmitri IVANOV Ivan KRASNIKOV Nikolay IVANOV Daniil CHAYKA Pavel KONONOV Igor KAMINSKYY Nikolay BAUER Gunther AAKKO Antti LINDSTROM Per Anders SVENSSON Stefan KLATOVSKY Antonín KLATOVSKY Jan ZORN Franz HOLSTEIN Sven 17. KNAPP Grzegorz 18. SIMON Harald Substitute list: 1. SERENIUS Per Olov 2. STELLINGWERF René 3. FÜRST Florian 4. BULANKIN Dmitry 5. SCHWAIGER Mario 6. NIEDERMAIER Max 7. PETSCHACHER Stefan 8. PECINA Jan 9. MALINEN Henri 10. KIRCHNER Christoph 11. LEITNER Martin 12. OLSEN Hans Olov 13. KOIJ Peter 14. JOHANSSON Fredrik 15. EBNER Karl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DutchGrasstrack Posted January 18, 2010 Report Share Posted January 18, 2010 (edited) Team Championship, Krasnogorsk (Russia) - 30-31/01/2010 Germany 1. Stefan Pletschacher 2. Max Niedermaier 15. Hans Weber CZ 3. Antonin Klatovsky 4. Jan Klatovsky 16. Andrej Divis Sweden 5. Stefan Svensson 6. Per-Olov Serenius 17. Per-Anders Lindstrom Austria 7. Harald Simon 8. Martin Leitner 18. Frany Zorn Russia 9. Dmitri Khomitsevich 10. Dmitri Bulankin 19. Nikolaj Krasnikov The Netherlands 11. Sven Holstein 12. Rene Stellingwerf 20. Rene Verhoef Finland 13. Antti Aakko 14. Kai Lehtinen 21. Jouni Seppanen http://www.isracing.net/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=29 Edited January 18, 2010 by DutchGrasstrack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted January 18, 2010 Report Share Posted January 18, 2010 Finland 13. Antti Aakko 14. Kai Lehtinen 21. Jouni Seppanen http://www.isracing.net/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=29 Mats Järf will ride instead of Seppänen and Seppänen will become team manager. Seppänen fell in Sanok and hurt himself enough to withdraw himself from this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisiekRacing Posted January 18, 2010 Report Share Posted January 18, 2010 is this official? why greg knapp not ride in gp? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DutchGrasstrack Posted January 18, 2010 Report Share Posted January 18, 2010 is this official? why greg knapp not ride in gp? Yes, this is official. Received an email from the FIM with the lineups above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedwaylive Posted January 18, 2010 Report Share Posted January 18, 2010 Ice Racing Photo Gallery Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conkers Posted January 19, 2010 Report Share Posted January 19, 2010 is this official? why greg knapp not ride in gp? This has puzzled me too, as according to that FIM reg (posted a few back now) Knapp and Holstein should ride and one of the others should be reserve (Jan Klatovsky?). But this IS the FIM we are talking about. Or is that the NL organise a Final - Holstein gets a slot, but Poland only host a QR therefore he gets a slot but starts at reserve? Remember, if he gets a good score in Round 2 (where he will replace one of the bottom two scorers) he could in theory stay in the competition all the way through. This happened to Antti Aakko a few years ago, where he started at reserve in R1 and then did well on the second day and did well for the rest of the competition that he never returned to reserve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted January 19, 2010 Report Share Posted January 19, 2010 Grand Prix 2010, Lineup: KHOMITSEVITCH Vitali KHOMITSEVITCH Dmitri IVANOV Ivan KRASNIKOV Nikolay IVANOV Daniil CHAYKA Pavel KONONOV Igor KAMINSKYY Nikolay BAUER Gunther AAKKO Antti LINDSTROM Per Anders SVENSSON Stefan KLATOVSKY Antonín KLATOVSKY Jan ZORN Franz HOLSTEIN Sven 17. KNAPP Grzegorz 18. SIMON Harald Substitute list: 1. SERENIUS Per Olov 2. STELLINGWERF René 3. FÜRST Florian 4. BULANKIN Dmitry 5. SCHWAIGER Mario 6. NIEDERMAIER Max 7. PETSCHACHER Stefan 8. PECINA Jan 9. MALINEN Henri 10. KIRCHNER Christoph 11. LEITNER Martin 12. OLSEN Hans Olov 13. KOIJ Peter 14. JOHANSSON Fredrik 15. EBNER Karl How come Posa is not No. 18? He finished sixth in his qualifier. All the best Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted January 19, 2010 Report Share Posted January 19, 2010 How come Posa is not No. 18? He finished sixth in his qualifier. All the best Rob The qualis were 5+1 from Saalfelden and Sanok and 6 from St Johan. As "wildcards" were needed it was decided prior (look at Conkers post as a reply to me a page or two earlier regarding who qualifies) to the season that the wc's would be taken from qualis 3, 1 and 2 in this order. This is why Posa is left out. Regarding Knapp, I'd say he has qualified to the GP, reserve is enough as the system gives the opportunity to ride during the 2nd day. Maybe this is what them FIM thinks too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted January 19, 2010 Report Share Posted January 19, 2010 The qualis were 5+1 from Saalfelden and Sanok and 6 from St Johan. As "wildcards" were needed it was decided prior (look at Conkers post as a reply to me a page or two earlier regarding who qualifies) to the season that the wc's would be taken from qualis 3, 1 and 2 in this order. This is why Posa is left out. Regarding Knapp, I'd say he has qualified to the GP, reserve is enough as the system gives the opportunity to ride during the 2nd day. Maybe this is what them FIM thinks too? But there's 7 qualifiers from one round and 5 from another. How does that work out? All the best Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacqueline Posted January 19, 2010 Report Share Posted January 19, 2010 Iceracing, European Championship, Ufa (Russia) Semi Final - 23/01/10 1. Nikolay Kaminsky (Ukraine) 2. Claude Gadeyne (France) 3. Fredrik Johansson (Sweden) 4. Florian Fürst (Germany) 5. Rene Stellingwerf (Netherlands) 6. Ilya Drozdov (Russia) 7. Andrey Diviš (Czech Republic) 8. Antonin Klatovsky (Czech Republic) 9. Juunir Baseev (Russia) 10. Ulf Ledstrom (Sweden) 11. Heinz Goldi (Switzerland) 12. Martin Leitner (Austria) 13. Michal Widera (Poland) ?? 14. Jo Seatre (Norway) 15. Jussi Nyronen (Finland) 16. Grzegorz Knapp (Poland) ?? 17. Maxim Zakharov (Russia) 18. Mikhail Bogdanov (Russia) Final - 24/01/10 1. Jan klatovsky (Czech Republic) 2. 7th from SF 3. Kai Lehtinen (Finland) 4. 3rd from SF 5. 1st from SF 6. 4th from ST 7. Danil Golosheykin (Russia) 8. Sergey Karachintsev (Russia) 9. Joakim Söderström (Sweden) 10. Harald Simon (Austria) 11. 6th from SF 12. 2nd from SF 13. Christoph Kirchner (Germany) 14. Sven Holstayn (Netherlands) 15. 5th from SF 16. 8th from SF 17. 9th from SF 18. 10th from SF Joakim Söderström will be replaced by Hans-Olov Olsén in the final Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conkers Posted January 19, 2010 Report Share Posted January 19, 2010 But there's 7 qualifiers from one round and 5 from another. How does that work out? All the best Rob Basically Rob, the PMZ and the KNMV get a slot for their riders as they organise rounds/finals. There is a rather long winded explaination a few posts back which f-s-p and I referred to as being as clear as mud. Sven Holstein gets the nod ahead of Harald Simon, who drops to reserve, as he is the KNMV rep (Assen organise a Final) whilst Posa loses his slot as reserve to Knapp as the PMZ get a slot for orgainsing a qualifier. I'm assuming Simon is reserve because of the Austrian connection, and as SVEMO no longer have a qualifier after they made a complete hash of their organisation/cancellation of a round in 2008, they miss out. Rather unfair on Posa but that's politics. I do know that the Assen club have been pestering the FIM to boost the profile of Ice Racing for some years as many of the meetings do lose money, and by allowing an organising federation a "wild card" they believe it will expand the sport, encouraging new nations to bid for rounds/finals. If the Ipswich Snoasis project lets Ice Racing in to the proposed Speed skating track, I do know that the Assen club want to be involved (it is they who are promoting the Innsbrück Final to boost the Austrian presence, and they have a hand in the Saalfelden qualifier) and maybe we'll have Mark, Rob or Kev in the Finals! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted January 19, 2010 Report Share Posted January 19, 2010 I do know that the Assen club have been pestering the FIM to boost the profile of Ice Racing for some years as many of the meetings do lose money, and by allowing an organising federation a "wild card" they believe it will expand the sport, encouraging new nations to bid for rounds/finals. Conkers - well the big favourite at Assen is Posa, who won't be there now because of the ridiculous regs, so it's backfired somewhat. All the best Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted January 19, 2010 Report Share Posted January 19, 2010 Conkers - well the big favourite at Assen is Posa, who won't be there now because of the ridiculous regs, so it's backfired somewhat. All the best Rob Assen is finals 8 and 9. Trust me, if he's in one piece, he'll be there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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