Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted August 21, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 21, 2009 Ah right, so there were a couple (at least..) of heats printed in the prog. with incorrect gate positions... Considering that the person responsible for the prog.last night is the same person who made such a fuss (and hasn't stopped repeating this fuss for FOUR years ) when in the 2005 Pairs prog. there was ONE mistake (and that was in helmet colours NOT gate positions, BTW..) then may we expect to see a FULL apology from that person right now.. Trust when you got your munchies for the long journey home last night, Bryn, it was good old humble pie you had to eat..!! Perhaps with KL and a further IoW meeting you've not had a chance to get on the Forum since Tuesday's debacle with your prog, Bryn...: wouldn't want people to think you're ducking out of apologising, so have posted again to remind you.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedyguy Posted August 21, 2009 Report Share Posted August 21, 2009 (edited) Had the chance.... I suggest you do buy 'Qunatum Of Shale', yet another excellent publication by Jeff Scott. And there are some "well known names" mentioned in the book...as well as comments on your beloved (and mine!) Wimbledon - and the 2005 closure. Edited August 21, 2009 by speedyguy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryn Posted August 21, 2009 Report Share Posted August 21, 2009 Perhaps with KL and a further IoW meeting you've not had a chance to get on the Forum since Tuesday's debacle with your prog, Bryn...: wouldn't want people to think you're ducking out of apologising, so have posted again to remind you.. Before saying anything else here, my only apologies in this posting go to the forum moderators in advance of what is to follow as I'm hoping they realise that indeed in respect of what follows below, it is meant and intended to conform to this forum's basic principle of "attack the post, not the poster." So, Mr. Barclay: 1. I have not responded to the gibberish you have been posting on this thread but have left it to you to make a bigger twerp of yourself through what you have been adding each time you have posted and you've done a pretty good job in my humble opinion. 2. I have had far more very important things to worry about and deal with as will become clear here and through other sources no doubt later today (very shortly in fact), than concern myself with trying to add any form of creedence to what appears to be the ramblings of a very bitter person, the reasons for such bitterness being totally unclear to myself 3. I cannot and will not apologise for something I have absolutely no reason to apologise for. Bryn Williams Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jules m Posted August 24, 2009 Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 Bit late but heres some snaps. Jules http://www.juliemartinphotography.co.uk/Sp...airs/index.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wightlink flyer Posted August 24, 2009 Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 Good stuff Jules. I think I must have been stood next to you at the start of the meeting looking down the back straight. Big camera, big lens & yellow tabard ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted August 25, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 25, 2009 1. I have not responded to the gibberish you have been posting on this thread 3. I cannot and will not apologise for something I have absolutely no reason to apologise for. Bryn Williams Hmm, a very pompous outburst considering all I’d suggested (in fairly jovial style..) was that, all things considered, you might have to eat humble pie over the mistakes in the Pairs meeting programme. Of course, you’re legendary for never admitting to doing anything wrong, Bryn but this is actually not a personal matter (though you seem to want to make it one…). It’s just that, as you know, you slaughtered the good name of the then Wimbledon promotion for ONE tiny mistake in the 2005 CL Pairs programme. These criticisms have been picked up in two books, Malcolm’s excellent history of the CL series and in one of Jeff Scott’s tomes. Yes, that was one tiny mistake in one heat, folks… So imagine my surprise when I find that the IoW-staging of effectively the same event has a programme which contains several mistakes relating to gate positions (and has been pointed out...) uniquely contained no helmet colours at all.. I understand there was huge confusion in the pits over these errors – several riders have commented, I know, on how off-putting this state of confusion was… Now there's no way I'd be bothered normally to point out these errors in the IoW prog. (others brought them up first on here, BTW...) but when push comes to shove, the vicious attacks on the 2005 Pairs prog. have continued unabated and did considerable harm at the time to the standing of the promotion at a very difficult time for the Wimbledon club; and yet now we find that, lo and behold, the infallible Mr. Williams has made mistakes of a similar nature (except this time there were a lot more of them!) in the 2009 Pairs prog.!! I'd have thought you could at least acknowledge the irony of the situation.. But seems not... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryn Posted August 26, 2009 Report Share Posted August 26, 2009 (edited) In response to your posting above Mr. Barclay: 1. Perhaps, first and foremost, it might have been wiser for you to have checked your facts first before your initial posting directed towards myself and in your latest outburst e.g. "uniquely contained no helmet colours at all.." Did you not read the programme? Did you not listen to the announcements pre-meeting etc? 2. If you are now tryng to justify your posting(s) by saying you were having a joke - why didn't you phone me initially rather than waste bandwith here? 3. Matter closed from my point of view and I'll readily admit to making innumerable mistakes in my life to date and fully admit to them if that will help you float your boat as they say but, to repeat what I said earlier concerning the matter in question, and that is I cannot and will not apologise for something I have absolutely no reason to apologise for. Edited August 26, 2009 by Bryn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted August 26, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2009 Breathtaking hypocrisy.... Those involved with Wimbledon 2002-'05 always knew there there was massive jealousy and resentment from the Speedway establishment and your attitude over this simply backs this up... BTW, I actually filled in a typed race card sheet kindly produced by BobC at the meeting itself and only got round to transcribing the results onto the actual race card in the prog. last night. And I have to say that the prog. was VERY inadequate in numerous respects. IMHO trying to squeeze all that was needed onto two pages was the problem: thus no space for sub riders or changes, no space for Pair Team names and amazingly no space even for helmet colours. Also odd that the helmet colour order of the pair changed through the meeting...: that wouldn't normally happen, surely and it was this, I believe, caused the most confusion in the pits... How any first-timers would've followed the scoring without the usual simple aid of helmet colours on the race card I've no idea.... Can ANYONE recall a Speedway race card which before (1) omitted the helmet colours and (2) failed to list the riders in the order of Red, Blue, Green (or previously white) and Yellow..?? I wonder actually if this breached rules over race cards in the regs...??? I am intrigued how much we'd have been slaughtered at Wimbledon if we'd produced such an abortion of a race card.... Oh and as a matter of info. should you be writing prog. notes again for a Weymouth visit, Buzz is 45 years old not 43...!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribbler Posted August 26, 2009 Report Share Posted August 26, 2009 And they say women are bitchy Kiss and make up you two Nothing can be changed now - it's history - all the words in the world won't change any of it. It's sad to see two respected Speedway people , Bryn and Parsloes.... publicly attack one another like this. If you must - carry on using private messages. Or won't that be as much fun for the pair of you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted August 26, 2009 Report Share Posted August 26, 2009 (edited) Breathtaking hypocrisy.... Those involved with Wimbledon 2002-'05 always knew there there was massive jealousy and resentment from the Speedway establishment and your attitude over this simply backs this up... BTW, I actually filled in a typed race card sheet kindly produced by BobC at the meeting itself and only got round to transcribing the results onto the actual race card in the prog. last night. And I have to say that the prog. was VERY inadequate in numerous respects. IMHO trying to squeeze all that was needed onto two pages was the problem: thus no space for sub riders or changes, no space for Pair Team names and amazingly no space even for helmet colours. Also odd that the helmet colour order of the pair changed through the meeting...: that wouldn't normally happen, surely and it was this, I believe, caused the most confusion in the pits... How any first-timers would've followed the scoring without the usual simple aid of helmet colours on the race card I've no idea.... Can ANYONE recall a Speedway race card which before (1) omitted the helmet colours and (2) failed to list the riders in the order of Red, Blue, Green (or previously white) and Yellow..?? I wonder actually if this breached rules over race cards in the regs...??? I am intrigued how much we'd have been slaughtered at Wimbledon if we'd produced such an abortion of a race card.... Oh and as a matter of info. should you be writing prog. notes again for a Weymouth visit, Buzz is 45 years old not 43...!!! Parsloes, blimey I think that's a triple period. Whilst not really wanting to be drawn into the argument, as a spectator at the 2005 & 2009 pairs: 1. The 2005 CL Pairs was a poor meeting - one of the very worst I've ever been to. It took 4 hours and 15 minutes to run just 19 races. As for my programme, there is a mountain of tippex on the six-heat second half page, due to the teams in each race being completely altered. I realise that the blame for this rested with the CL co-ordinator rather than yourself, but it was a huge, huge mess. There was also the lack of an individual scorechart for the second half, which led to me drawing crude boxes in the space for the run-off for first place. And I then had no-where to write the result for the run-off for first place. 2. The 2009 NL Pairs was a fairly good meeting, with all 21 races completed in just under two-and-a-half hours. There was a couple of mistakes in the programme regarding the gates in Heats 9 & 10, but this was clearly announced before the meeting and I changed them about two seconds flat. No tippex on this programme at all. Now, the above is not having a pop at Wimbledon Speedway, IOW Speedway, yourself, Bryn or the programme printers. It is simply stating things, as I came across them at both meetings. Now any chance we can get back to being civil... All the best Rob Edited August 26, 2009 by lucifer sam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted September 1, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 Being involved in Speedway and seeing the conduct of some who run the sport has many disappointments (god knows there's been plenty I've endured - not least the past couple of weeks..) but I have to say that Bryn over this issue is one of the most disappointing.. Imagine the scenario. From 2005 onwards I’ve faced constant snide digs from Bryn (and yes, Rob too...) about ONE tiny mistake in the Wimbledon programme involving helmet colours (though interpreted by Bryn as being about gate positions..). I held up my hands at the time to this tiny error but the constant jibes have nevertheless continued.. Imagine then my amazement, turning to quiet satisfaction when at - amazingly - the exact same event four years on, it was pointed out to me by those I was with (who knew the abuse and jokes I'd suffered over this..) that a programme produced by the self-same person who'd dished out all of this..;, contained actually several mistakes involving gate colours and was so confusing by omitting helmet colours that numerous races were delayed as pit officials tried to get their heads around these errors. I could scare believe it; but my predominant emotion was one of amusement. Chance to have a laugh here and get my own back.. Ah but no - hasn't turned out that way has it... The hypocrisy is one thing but the po-faced contempt that prevents Bryn from even addressing the issue let alone (1) making a joke of it (which naively is what I'd expected); or (2) even - shock! horror! - holding his hands up to the irony of the situation. Well, it’s pretty hard to take... I don't expect a reply; and I don't expect your standing, ‘Saint Bryn’, among those with any sense of fair play to have been enhanced much either... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bannakaffalatta Posted September 2, 2009 Report Share Posted September 2, 2009 reading through this topic I cant help but feel it was put in the wrong section after all - the way its gone the junior section or forum creche might have been more appropriate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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