ianmartin Posted August 3, 2009 Report Share Posted August 3, 2009 the riders does not get paid by BSI/IMG or any organizers to ride in The gps, they only get prize money and of course money from their own sponsors. That'll be right - BSI/IMG raping Speedway again. Why has the soul of our Sport been sold to people like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted August 3, 2009 Report Share Posted August 3, 2009 That'll be right - BSI/IMG raping Speedway again. Why has the soul of our Sport been sold to people like this. Jason Crump got about £13,000 for winning in Cardiff(super prix event-double money) some will say thats poor for winning a GP,others might say not to bad for a nights work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted August 3, 2009 Report Share Posted August 3, 2009 Jason Crump got about £13,000 for winning in Cardiff(super prix event-double money) some will say thats poor for winning a GP,others might say not to bad for a nights work. i think thats is a bit small. Especially with the risks of the sport and expenses the riders have to ride in the gp. IMO all riders should get paid by BSI/IMG because the riders brings in money to BSI but doesnt seem to share it with the riders. It doesnt have to be allot of money but atleast a few thousand Pounds per GP. i am not sure but i think the Swedish riders gets their travel expenses covered by the Swedish Motorcycle Sports Federartion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomcat Posted August 4, 2009 Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 (edited) Late posting on this...but it was that boring it sent me into a coma.... Well I will be rethinking my Sky subscription this winter. I cant do another season of utter GP boredom again. Sorry, but slick track, follow my leader racing is not speedway racing, which ever way you want to try and dress it up. Whether its Ole Olsens fault or anyone elses, I'm past caring. This is our sports World Championship and its become as dull as dishwater for many fans. Sorry, but watching the kids race in the NL would be preferable to watching the so called Worlds Best boring the pants off thousands of fans worldwide. And I dont mean that as a slight against the NL lads. At least they get to race for their points, not play gate and go for 20 odd heats. Personally I think that the GP's, in their current format have passed their sell by date and some. Either revamp the series to keep it interesting, get the tracks prepared properly or ditch the whole series....please..!! Edited August 4, 2009 by tomcat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted August 4, 2009 Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 imo nothing wrong with the format, its the most fair system we could have. The only thingt that needs to be changed is the track preparations. Possible also some tracks' status as a GP track could be questioned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffster Posted August 4, 2009 Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 Late posting on this...but it was that boring it sent me into a coma.... Well I will be rethinking my Sky subscription this winter. I cant do another season of utter GP boredom again. Sorry, but slick track, follow my leader racing is not speedway racing, which ever way you want to try and dress it up. Whether its Ole Olsens fault or anyone elses, I'm past caring. This is our sports World Championship and its become as dull as dishwater for many fans. Sorry, but watching the kids race in the NL would be preferable to watching the so called Worlds Best boring the pants off thousands of fans worldwide. And I dont mean that as a slight against the NL lads. At least they get to race for their points, not play gate and go for 20 odd heats. Personally I think that the GP's, in their current format have passed their sell by date and some. Either revamp the series to keep it interesting, get the tracks prepared properly or ditch the whole series....please..!! Sadly, I have to agree, GP's becoming an absolute waste of time to watch ! What made it worse was that a guy in work caught the start of the meeting, said he watched "7 or 8 boring races", before switching over to something else, and then said to me yesterday "WHY the hell do you travel to Swindon every week to watch a rubbish sport like that ?" Tried to tell him that watching it live and watching league racing is totally different to watching a GP, but his final comment of "There would have been more passes in the car park at the back of my house" summed up the Latvian GP, really.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer Posted August 4, 2009 Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 Where was Nigel Pearson ? -if he`s doing premier league football for Talksport we`ve got Millard for the remaining 5 GP`s-doesn`t bear thinking about !! Nigels wife has just had a baby. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer Posted August 4, 2009 Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 Did my ears deceive me, but at some point this evening I'm sure Millard said something along the lines of "We all think of Jason Crump as a youngster but he's actually 34 next week" and then a few moments later say about Emil something like "we think he's been around for ages but he's not yet 20" Forgive me if I've got the wording wrong but I am sure that was the gist of what the maestro was saying. Different planet. He said "we all think of Emil as a veteran but he's only 19. He also got his Emil's mixed up, and totally missed metioning about 3 passes etc, etc The man is senile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianmartin Posted August 4, 2009 Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 imo nothing wrong with the format, its the most fair system we could have. The only thingt that needs to be changed is the track preparations. Possible also some tracks' status as a GP track could be questioned. Nothing wrong with the format - EVERYTHING wrong with the System. Bring back the 'one off' World Final with Qualifying Rounds for ALL Riders not just the SELECTED few. Sorry to keep banging on about this but I do feel strongly that it would benefit our Sport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted August 4, 2009 Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 Nothing wrong with the format - EVERYTHING wrong with the System. Bring back the 'one off' World Final with Qualifying Rounds for ALL Riders not just the SELECTED few. Sorry to keep banging on about this but I do feel strongly that it would benefit our Sport. nothing wrong with the current system the best rider over the entire season becomes world champion. IT works in F1 it works in motoGP,it works for Rallying and it works for speedway. How can it me more fair then that? the most unfair system you can use is a oneoff final which is too much of a lottery especially with gate draws for tracks that have advantage at a certain gate and with the inconsistency from the ref. Speedway would loose all media attention twice a week if they would create a oneoff final. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianmartin Posted August 4, 2009 Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 nothing wrong with the current system the best rider over the entire season becomes world champion. IT works in F1 it works in motoGP,it works for Rallying and it works for speedway. How can it me more fair then that? the most unfair system you can use is a oneoff final which is too much of a lottery especially with gate draws for tracks that have advantage at a certain gate and with the inconsistency from the ref. Speedway would loose all media attention twice a week if they would create a oneoff final. Sorry Ghostwalker - I cannot agree with you. As I have said many times before when this subject comes up: In the 'old' days anyone from any League could win the World Championship (Jack Young - as a Second Division Rider). He couldn't do that now. Only the selected few, the so called Elite can win it now. HOW FAIR IS THAT????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyHart Posted August 4, 2009 Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 Most half decent riders have ample chance to qualify for the GP's and then go from there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPNY Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 IMO, BSI/IMG are saturating the market. 11 rounds are too many. They should have 8-10 rounds, build the series around the great stadiums/tracks like Cardiff, Copenhagen (crap this year but generally good) Bydgoszcz, scrap the places that are just ordinary at best such as Latvia, Vojens etc. Get some other new exciting tracks/places involved (LA, Tokyo, Sydney, St P'burg, Moscow, new Stadium in Torun to name a few posibilities) The bottom 2 should drop out every round, allowing for new 'form' riders to take there place. It would keep it fresh & more importantly mean that the best 16, or at least close to, riders in the world would be compting in each round. All academic as nothings going to change but just though Id have my say! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 (edited) IMO, BSI/IMG are saturating the market. 11 rounds are too many. Too much of even the best product in the world becomes repetitive, and I think the trick is to find the right balance. Seeing the same 16 riders meeting-after-meeting (and even worse, year-after-year) lacks variety, even if the racing was up to much (although I can't really comment on that as I haven't watched a single GP this year). 6-8 rounds would be more than enough to make the World Championship a fair reflection of ability, but reduce the problems of one rider dominating proceedings for too long. However, no doubt BSI need to run a certain number of rounds to amortise their costs. They should have 8-10 rounds, build the series around the great stadiums/tracks like Cardiff, Copenhagen (crap this year but generally good) Bydgoszcz, scrap the places that are just ordinary at best such as Latvia, Vojens etc. Get some other new exciting tracks/places involved (LA, Tokyo, Sydney, St P'burg, Moscow, new Stadium in Torun to name a few posibilities) Yes, but who will pay for it all? Despite the assertions that IMG are making a big investment in the SGP, it obviously isn't financially viable to run in certain venues, particularly outside Europe. The bottom 2 should drop out every round, allowing for new 'form' riders to take there place. The problem though, is what if one of the top riders gets injured early on in a GP and finishes in the bottom two? In fact, this happened in one of the early series when Tommy Knudsen got injured in the first GP, and ended-up at reserve for the next one, thus scuppering his chances before they'd even begun. Now it might be argued it was his own fault for having a silly solid disc in his front wheel which caused him to crash when it got sprayed with shale (wouldn't be a problem these days though ), but would you want to exclude someone like Nicki Pedersen for the rest of the reason for something that wasn't his fault? Edited August 5, 2009 by Humphrey Appleby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geeze Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 nothing wrong with the current system the best rider over the entire season becomes world champion. IT works in F1 it works in motoGP,it works for Rallying and it works for speedway. How can it me more fair then that? the most unfair system you can use is a oneoff final which is too much of a lottery especially with gate draws for tracks that have advantage at a certain gate and with the inconsistency from the ref. Speedway would loose all media attention twice a week if they would create a oneoff final. absolute spot on post after 11 rounds you will find the best rider not after 1 or even 4 rounds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 Bring back the 'one off' World Final with Qualifying Rounds for ALL Riders not just the SELECTED few. In the 'old' days anyone from any League could win the World Championship (Jack Young - as a Second Division Rider). He couldn't do that now. Only the selected few, the so called Elite can win it now. Do you follow the sport? Because their have always been GP qualifiers and most riders get the chance to qualify. OK in the past there were the 2 British semi-finals prior to the final itself but that only means 16 rider lose out and frankly, the 16 that miss out, are probably not worth getting upset about. Some of them have the chance to qualify via the under-21 final too. The qualifiers still happen! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianmartin Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 Do you follow the sport? Because their have always been GP qualifiers and most riders get the chance to qualify. OK in the past there were the 2 British semi-finals prior to the final itself but that only means 16 rider lose out and frankly, the 16 that miss out, are probably not worth getting upset about. Some of them have the chance to qualify via the under-21 final too. The qualifiers still happen! Yes SCB they do. But as I see it there are not the chances now as there were years ago. I am talking about ALL Riders having a chance of winning through qualification and NOT given Wild Cards or SELECTED because you are British or any other nationality where they need LOCAL input to put bums on seats. Everyone in the old days qualified - none were GIFTED places like they do today. Gifted and in some cases the Riders receiving said Gifts are NOT worth the place. I know there were some odd qualifiers years ago but at least they got their through there own qualifiers which actually reinforces my point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 Yes SCB they do. But as I see it there are not the chances now as there were years ago. I am talking about ALL Riders having a chance of winning through qualification and NOT given Wild Cards or SELECTED because you are British or any other nationality where they need LOCAL input to put bums on seats. Everyone in the old days qualified - none were GIFTED places like they do today. Gifted and in some cases the Riders receiving said Gifts are NOT worth the place. I know there were some odd qualifiers years ago but at least they got their through there own qualifiers which actually reinforces my point. When the idea first come in I was appalled. However, Nicki won his first World Title as a wildcard, thats a good argument straight away. Then this season we had Ulamek and Walasek qualify and they're quite frankly, a waste of time, on the other hand young Sayfutdinov has been a breathe of fresh air and he was nominated. Nicki P probably won't qualify for 2010 either, should he be out because he got injured? I accept the wildcard system is not perfect but I think some times you need to bring in the human element, I just wish the human element did not base things on Nationality and commercial reasons, I hope that next season Zagar and Lindback get wildcards regardless of the number of Swedes in the GP series and lack of other nationalities to take the place from Zagar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted August 7, 2009 Report Share Posted August 7, 2009 I also think there are too many who get in without doing qualifying rounds as such - and I don't mean wilcards, but the riders who finish in the top 8. I think it should be the top three only. There are riders who perform very well in 1 or 2 GPs but poorly in the others but continue to get in top 8. There is too little change from one year to the next and on the current state of motorway tracks & dull racing then the only real points of interest are how the newcomers get on. If this doesn't change I think the series will continue to decline - something I won't be too disappointed about anyway as I've always much preferred team racing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianmartin Posted August 7, 2009 Report Share Posted August 7, 2009 Grand???? Prix - just get rid of the damned things. If I want to watch a procession - I'll go to a funeral. On the plus side - it might be the G????P Funeral. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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