scotty2hotty Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 For once JH I agree with you. Rob Lyon is obviously a puppet for the Chumpman regime. Could of made better team choices or that select group have fallen out with certain riders hence the picks. Rosco would be a good choice as long as he doesn't lose his cool as is his nature. Sorry but I don't agree with you. Rob Lyon has the full backing of the speedway authorities to build for the future. How many years have we all been moaning about same old riders, same old results. I'm sure we mostly all agree, that the majority of other nations are miles ahead of us at the moment, particularly Australia and we have to do something about it. Sticking with the same 'old guard' of riders will never in a million years help the cause of bringing new riders on. The problem we have in this country, is that there are very few tracks that allow training sessions, so many council rules and all that bumph. The majority of other nations do not have that problem. I do agree however, that some Test matches would be an excellent idea, but as someone else said, riders are constantly going in different directions all over the world to race, so how do you get them all in one place at one time, its not an easy task. I understand from my parents that there were regular Test Matches in years gone by, but then these riders were only riding in Britain, so it was easier to get them all together. Nowadays, a lot of riders have such punishing schedules all over Europe, it would be a nightmare to arrange anything. Personally, I do not expect any Trophy wins for Rob Lyon and Team GB for a good couple of years at least. What I do hope is for Team GB to gradually improve over the coming years and that in the not too distant future we can again become a force to be reckoned with on the world stage. It will happen, but patience is a virtue!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 Totally agree. He gambled and lost. If they got through he would of been hailed a tactical genius but he failed, end of, Lyon is the weakest link, goodbye! True to form, forming alliances with muppets. No wonder even Redcar fans are embarrassed about you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 Should Rob Lyon have picked Scott Nicholls. I like Scott, but this season, he has looked off form, and disinterest, if you look at his body language it gives you the impression that he is rider who is not happy. Did he need the World Team Cup as an extra pressure, where lets face it he would have been expected to lead the team, did he need it was he capable of it, I genuinely think that he was not, and I think that if asked Scott himself he would tell he was not either. Onto Rob Lyon, the one thing that impressed me, was how cool and calm his approach is,does not appear to lose his cool and very calm. The one thing that appears to have instilled with the riders is teamwork,over the period that the team were in the competition they actually looked and acted like a team,even the riders who were dropped or were not included in the first meeting were there to give support and advice which is a good sign. I have seen alot about the so called feud between Scott and Bomber, I don't think it was there.and if it was it not their any longer. I remember seeing Bomber have a nasty accident in the practice session for one of the Grand Prix, one the first people to go over to see to Bomber was Scott,not the actions of two feuding riders. What everyone in this country has to grip on is that we have fallen way behind other Nations,what is needed is new ideas and a,new approach,we need to introduce new blood, young hungry riders.We have to accept that on occasions we might sink,but the main thing that we need to accept is that success will not happen over night, and regardless who is in charge be it Rob Lyon, Rosco, Middlo or the Queen of Sheba its going to take time. I have to say that in Rob Lyon we have in my opinion got the right man for the job,to replace him would be wrong, the guy has improved the standing of Team GB, it might only be small steps but that is what it will take I am afraid,and anyone who thinks that other could make a better job of is deluded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Authorised Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 Lyon just cost us a place in the world cup final only a man with no brain would have pick Danny King in Poland needs to be sacked asap . Nicholls only had to score 5 and we would have mde it and then we would have had a chance of 3rd place ...i knew picking a pl man would cost up and have got it spot on ...who in there right mind would have not picked our best 2 world cup riders at boro . The trouble is we have to put up with a guy who plan is to pick a side who can't win Completely agree, Orion. You have called it spot on this week. Lyon would have kicked Crump out weeks ago, he prefers the younger guys. Yeah, he would have had Darcy and Kozza in (obviously fitness pending!). I find it funny that a 30 and 31 year old can be possibly called 'old guard' in someone else's place. The scorechart says it all, GB had to carry two of the worst riders in the meeting, that can only be down to team selection. Just because a rider can ride a track he knows inside out on a Monday, doesn't mean he will be good elsewhere on a Thursday. I will give Lyon a second chance IF he admits he made a mistake. If he doesn't, he should go. It will be a test of his character if he claims he still got it right, then he isn't good enough for the job. Mark Loram is my nomination! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mauger_Magic Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 Does not realy matter who is the GB Manager...it is the riders who have the final say by their performance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 Does not realy matter who is the GB Manager...it is the riders who have the final say by their performance. Yea ..thats right and it's the tm who picks them . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Jasper Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 You have to wonder if there is more to Scott's absence than meets the eye . But although we just failed , what a difference in the pits compared to Nicholls and Harris stood , arms folded , ignoring each other like last year . To be fair thats all water under the bridge now. I am in 2 minds, at the start of the week I thought Nicholls should be included, however the morale may have been different with him in the side. While Danny King did ok on Monday tonight was totally different, this was not a track in which he has a lot of experience on and it was a bit more cut throat out on track. I think its fair to say that Nicholls would have scored more than him and yes we would be through to the final, and of course may have grabbed a bronze medal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickthemuppet Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 Can Ipswich put a team in the Speedway World Cup next year. If they can get Scott Nicholls to ride the other four riders were there tonight with Jaraslav Hampel, Tomasz Gollob, Daniel King and Troy Batchelor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikec Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 Bollocks Agreed Paulco, Rosco heart on sleeve but not exactly cool under pressure when times get tough - as lets face it times do when managing the current GB pool of talent. Before Robins start sending hate mail this doesn't stop Rosco being manager of the EL champs this year!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Doctor... Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 Lyon just cost us a place in the world cup final only a man with no brain would have pick Danny King in Poland needs to be sacked asap . Nicholls only had to score 5 and we would have mde it and then we would have had a chance of 3rd place ...i knew picking a pl man would cost up and have got it spot on ...who in there right mind would have not picked our best 2 world cup riders at boro . The trouble is we have to put up with a guy who plan is to pick a side who can't win But it wasn't really just 5 points was it ? Sorry if i'm being thick here, but its late...GB were only 5 behind because of a double point win by Richardson ? So in real terms it was more than 5 points that Nicholls would have to stump up surely. I personally don't give a hoot about team gb, but if you actually think Lyon will be sacked after this, you are seriously deluded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPNY Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 So Team GB galliant in defeat again... Im very proud of the boys tonight but I wish we could just fluke it once! Looking back at the whole week I think Rob Lyon was shrewd in how he went about it all. He can get away with not qualifying for the final as people will admire him for putting the young boys in the team, personally I think he was worried about getting slated if he did put Scotty in the team and they didnt qualify. He also looked like he didnt have a clue as to what was going on when there was the gate position mix up (heat 22?) which was a little worrying. With regards to team selection I think he should have put Scott in. He certainly would have been good for 5/6 points which would have seen us through. I dont buy all this team spirit wouldnt been have good talk. You look at any meeting where GB have done well such as Coventry year before last, Reading 06 etc Scot and the boys always said the team spirit was good. Its what the riders will obviously say in an interview anyway plus when things are going well, as it was for 23 heats tonight, its easy to have good team spirit. Im proud of what the lads have achieved this week, but I believe team selection has stopped us being in the World Cup final. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burton Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 (edited) nicholls should of rode end of story,very poor decision to leave him out,and its cost us a world cup final place.nothing more to be said really lyon let us down badly with his team selection. Edited July 17, 2009 by burton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheetahJake Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 Lyon just cost us a place in the world cup final only a man with no brain would have pick Danny King in Poland needs to be sacked asap . Nicholls only had to score 5 and we would have mde it and then we would have had a chance of 3rd place ...i knew picking a pl man would cost up and have got it spot on ...who in there right mind would have not picked our best 2 world cup riders at boro . The trouble is we have to put up with a guy who plan is to pick a side who can't win I don't wish to appear offensive, and I really do appreciate the fact that you are entitled to your views as well as the ability to express them, but, now how can I put this? You are now really beginning to bore me. Can you not simply accept the fact that you cannot build a team for the future using yesterday's heroes? Rob Lyon did not cost us a place in the final, but he did have the balls to lay the foundations for the future. Note also his wisdom in appointing the right rider in the right heat to successfully use the Joker - somewhat different to the complete and utter wastage of the facility last year by Jim Lynch. Not only do I think our young squad has a successful future to look forward to, I believe their Team Manager likewise has such a future - at long last. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edward Barrett Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 you cannot build a team for the future using yesterday's heroes? Rob Lyon did not cost us a place in the final, but he did have the balls to lay the foundations for the future. Note also his wisdom in appointing the right rider in the right heat to successfully use the Joker - somewhat different to the complete and utter wastage of the facility last year by Jim Lynch. Not only do I think our young squad has a successful future to look forward to, I believe their Team Manager likewise has such a future - at long last. Good post, this year there has been a proper sense of team spirit, riders working together for one purpose, that can only bode well for the future, which is what Lyons is looking toward. Nicholls presence in the squad would have undone all the good work of Monday, and his apparent absence on Monday gave the impression that he was not prepared to be part of the team anyway, unlike Richardson who swallowed his dissappointement at being omitted and was there to offer help and advice. We can all be wise after the event, and say so-and-so should have ridden, this or that decision should have been made, but Lyons stuck to his decision, replaced the rider who was the weakest with an in form rider, Richardson, and we nearly surprised everyone by getting through. Credit to the riders, credit to Lyons, hopefully he will remain as manager for a while and continue building for the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciderman Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 nicholls should of rode end of story,very poor decision to leave him out,and its cost us a world cup final place.nothing more to be said really lyon let us down badly with his team selection. We wouldn.t have been in a position to qualify if it hadn't been for Lyons decision to run with the young guns. In reality most people has us as last place in Lezno. The fact that we just missed out was gut wrenching but also very pleasing. A lot of people have knocked Lyon for his team selection, however he only just failed and I for one was screaming at the tv last night (I wasn't doing that last year). The boys did us proud and its easy to criticise after the horse has bolted. Lee Richardson also wore his heart on his sleeve and showed just how good he can be. Well done to all. Hope Scotty enjoyed his beer with Sullivan!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFatDave Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 nicholls should of rode end of story,very poor decision to leave him out,and its cost us a world cup final place.nothing more to be said really lyon let us down badly with his team selection. Absolute Drivel! Well done to all Team GB last night, esp. Tai who really stepped up a notch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haza Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 (edited) I was lucky enough to be in Leszno last night and i was proud to be British all our boys rode there socks of last night then i look on here this morning to read what a few sad people have put pulling Rob and the boys down , I think Rob has done more than enough to keep his job another 12 months after last years shambles give the bloke a break .As for bringing Nicholls in you make me laugh he is not the future of British speedway give Rob time and British speedway will be right back up there . WELL DONE Team GB some of us are proud of our team last night . Edited July 17, 2009 by Haza Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boozer Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 Great performance from the lads and there seemed to be a good team spirit in the camp, if Scott had ridden would we have got through who knows but it doesn't matter now. I think Scott was in a no win situation he would have been blamed if he had rode and we lost and some people are blaming him because we lost and he didn't ride, I think some fans have very short memories. On a positive note we seem to have a few good young riders who want to ride for GB and that has to be good for the future, a special mention must go to Lee for a great performance I am not his biggest fan but if he rides like last night he will get my full support well done lad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themilkman23 Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 Where would have been the point having Scott in and then getting to the final? Looking at the other teams and how GB compared to the in the semi and run off and you can see the other countries were a step above so we would have been looking at a demoralising last place. I would much rather watch the younger guys be in and developing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
britmet Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 . WHAT ROT ! (Hindsight is a marvellous gift !) What encouraging team spirit was shown last night ! I don't think we should see Scotty in this scenario again. Well done Rob Lyon. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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