Tsunami Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 Once again Chris Louis showed what a useless and polictically correct interviewer he is. Failed to ask the question where is Nicholls when talking about the team to Rob L. Do you only do moaning. Bet you've got an A level in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFatDave Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 Do you only do moaning. Bet you've got an A level in it. I reckon he's got two degrees in it, and I'm more than willing to give him a Third!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastie Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 Perhaps Scott Nichols has got swine flu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 I reckon he's got two degrees in it, and I'm more than willing to give him a Third!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedibee Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 (edited) Here we go again.... Lets have yet another Scott Nicholls bashing thread. Will you all ever grow up? So what, he wasnt there, you answer your own questions.... the usual probably upset team spirit, blah blah, blah... He wasnt picked to go to Poland, he wasnt there, which is HIS business, NOT ours. We nearly made it through with the kids, of which I am very PROUD. Yes, maybe we may have qualified if Scott had been in the team, then again we may not have. For Heavens sake, get a life and look at the positives from this SWC. The future looks better for Team GB at this moment in time and we should support those that were there, racing or not. Not keep harping on about who wasnt there and why. How does the future look better for team GB , are all the other teams going to slow down so that Kennet , King and woffinden can keep up , if Sweden and Denmark had full strength teams we would have been last , and unless they both decide to "blood some youngsters " we will have no chance next year or the year after. maybe the Aussies will stand crumpie and adams down next year and let Shelby Rutherford and darcy ward take over . I cant see boycie doing that somehow Edited July 17, 2009 by speedibee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midland Red Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 How does the future look better for team GB , are all the other teams going to slow down so that Kennet , King and woffinden can keep up , if Sweden and Denmark had full strength teams we would have been last , and unless they both decide to "blood some youngsters " we will have no chance next year or the year after. maybe the Aussies will stand crumpie and adams down next year and let Shelby Rutherford and darcy ward take over . I cant see boycie doing that somehow Have to agree, Beespeed GB finished ahead of a Denmark team devoid of the current Grand Prix Champion and with its no 2 rider clearly hampered by injury And GB were clearly so far behind Poland and Australia in Round 1 I wrote on another thread - why do GB riders' machines not have the apparent speed of the other nations' riders? Last night, Harris and Woffinden look quite capable of beating the opposition with their riding ability but were let down by the pace of the machinery Richardson clearly had a better set up and did show some good speed King (last night) and Kennett (Monday) were so far off, Bridger lacked confidence as well as speed The future only looks good if machinery can be sorted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 How does the future look better for team GB , are all the other teams going to slow down so that Kennet , King and woffinden can keep up , if Sweden and Denmark had full strength teams we would have been last , and unless they both decide to "blood some youngsters " we will have no chance next year or the year after. maybe the Aussies will stand crumpie and adams down next year and let Shelby Rutherford and darcy ward take over . I cant see boycie doing that somehow I thought i heard Boyce say he would have used Ward but for his injury.And of course Sullivan wasn't riding last night when he is better than one or two that were.That is down to team spirit i would have thought.The same as Rob Lyon is trying to do.....I guess the feeling from both Rob and Craig is the best 5 riders don't neccesarily make the best team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorset delight Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 If he carries on progressing the way he is i would say Darcy will be a dead cert for the Aussies next year,if had not broke his ankle he would have been in on Monday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coma Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 (edited) How does the future look better for team GB , are all the other teams going to slow down so that Kennet , King and woffinden can keep up , if Sweden and Denmark had full strength teams we would have been last , and unless they both decide to "blood some youngsters " we will have no chance next year or the year after. maybe the Aussies will stand crumpie and adams down next year and let Shelby Rutherford and darcy ward take over . I cant see boycie doing that somehow You contradict yourself here! No the other teams won't slow down but equally we won't get any quicker if we don't get the young riders in early to get some experience. The reason Denmark and Sweden have good teams is that they DID blood their youngsters early instead of sticking with the old guys till they are well past it. How many times over the last 6 or 7 years have we seen Floppy, Barker, Havelock, Screen, Smith, Hurry step in to replace injured riders at the last minute when we should have been giving the young guys a go. We have failed to win anything with the older guys and our team will get older and weaker if we don't "blood some youngsters" now! Denmark shocked everyone about 7 years ago with a team that included Hans Andersen, Bjarne Pedersen and Charlie Gjedde who weren't even riding at heatleader level at that time, but they came through and surprised everyone and have continued to do so since then. They currently used Klindt when they could have gone for a couple of other more experienced riders and Sweden left out Karlsson / Max and used yonger guys too. Australia "blooded" Holder last year and Leigh Adams is likely to retire in the next year or two along with Sullivan so Aus will have no choice but to bring in a couple more then. Its pretty certain that someone like Ward or Gathercole will be riding for them next year. Crump probably won't be around for more than another 3 or 4 years either and by that point Shields & Watt will be well into their 30's! Everyone has been "blooding youngsters" except us which is why they all have good teams and we struggle! What part of all that isn't blatantly obvious? Edited July 17, 2009 by coma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedibee Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 You contradict yourself here! No the other teams won't slow down but equally we won't get any quicker if we don't get the young riders in early to get some experience. The reason Denmark and Sweden have good teams is that they DID blood their youngsters early instead of sticking with the old guys till they are well past it. How many times over the last 6 or 7 years have we seen Floppy, Barker, Havelock, Screen, Smith, Hurry step in to replace injured riders at the last minute when we should have been giving the young guys a go. We have failed to win anything with the older guys and our team will get older and weaker if we don't "blood some youngsters" now! Denmark shocked everyone about 7 years ago with a team that included Hans Andersen, Bjarne Pedersen and Charlie Gjedde who weren't even riding at heatleader level at that time, but they came through and surprised everyone and have continued to do so since then. They currently used Klindt when they could have gone for a couple of other more experienced riders and Sweden left out Karlsson / Max and used yonger guys too. Australia "blooded" Holder last year and Leigh Adams is likely to retire in the next year or two along with Sullivan so Aus will have no choice but to bring in a couple more then. Its pretty certain that someone like Ward or Gathercole will be riding for them next year. Crump probably won't be around for more than another 3 or 4 years either and by that point Shields & Watt will be well into their 30's! Everyone has been "blooding youngsters" except us which is why they all have good teams and we struggle! What part of all that isn't blatantly obvious? what is blatantly obvious about this post is that it is written by someone who knows they are always right, and will only listen to views that do not conflict their own . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 How does the future look better for team GB , are all the other teams going to slow down so that Kennet , King and woffinden can keep up , if Sweden and Denmark had full strength teams we would have been last , and unless they both decide to "blood some youngsters " we will have no chance next year or the year after. maybe the Aussies will stand crumpie and adams down next year and let Shelby Rutherford and darcy ward take over . I cant see boycie doing that somehow but we avnt got a crump or adams so we need to get the kids going Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
austrian hammer Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 Until Rob or Scott decide to openly discuss why Scott wasnt a) In the team b.) In the country Then I for one dont feel informed enough to offer a meaningful response. Everything else is pure speculation! Spot on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 (edited) How does the future look better for team GB , are all the other teams going to slow down so that Kennet , King and woffinden can keep up , if Sweden and Denmark had full strength teams we would have been last , and unless they both decide to "blood some youngsters " we will have no chance next year or the year after. maybe the Aussies will stand crumpie and adams down next year and let Shelby Rutherford and darcy ward take over . I cant see boycie doing that somehow welcome to the world of the BSPA speedibee ........ you are fortunate enough to follow a club who invests in British riders and gives them a chance at reserve, 2nd string and heatleader............. I would like to see Coventry do more at grass roots level but what they do is a damn sight more than 95% of other clubs in the EL and PL yes the simple truth is that the chances are we will be unlikely to win it next year or the year after .............. I dont want to be saying that.... nobody wants to be reading it either but it is odds on ................. we can go further into odds and % chances of what is likely or unlikely to happen but I think we all know instinctively the numbers we are working with here ... both in riders and financially............. and this is why it is not primarily the issue of any of the team GB riders... or those that didnt make the team until the BSPA step up to the plate, stop playing the asset game, and allowing low assessed averages this will just continue.................. in fact while we are talking about odds....... I think the odds were low on this group of youngsters coming through together in the first place and we should be thankful Edited July 17, 2009 by spook Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coma Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 what is blatantly obvious about this post is that it is written by someone who knows they are always right, and will only listen to views that do not conflict their own . Ha! You clearly don't know me! I am always willing to listen to other opinions but when someone suggests bringing in youngsters is a bad thing for an old and struggling team, when its exactly what the other teams have been doing for the last few years then they are clearly seeing something different to me! What part of that is wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedibee Posted July 18, 2009 Report Share Posted July 18, 2009 but we avnt got a crump or adams so we need to get the kids going Why do you think putting kids out against far superior oppostion is a good thing ? It certainly did Lewis Bridger no good at all , He was absolutely demoralised by the fact that he was so far off the pace and despite the "old boys" Rico and Bomber trying to raise his spirits spent most of the meeting with a face as long as a wet weekend . This is what you think is a good thing is it ? . The kids don't have good enough equipment, racecraft , backup or experience and losing races at world level will not put that right , kids don't become Crump Or Adams overnight and need to learn their craft at club level , and when they are beating the best in the world on a regular basis that's when they should be part of team GB . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrow boy Posted July 18, 2009 Report Share Posted July 18, 2009 dont think that should have much to do with it they should all want to ride to their best for their country regardless of whos in the team and who gets on with who Exactly. Just look how the Danes get on together when they are riding as a team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ashie Smashy Posted July 18, 2009 Report Share Posted July 18, 2009 Here we go again.... Lets have yet another Scott Nicholls bashing thread. Will you all ever grow up? So what, he wasnt there, you answer your own questions.... the usual probably upset team spirit, blah blah, blah... He wasnt picked to go to Poland, he wasnt there, which is HIS business, NOT ours. We nearly made it through with the kids, of which I am very PROUD. Yes, maybe we may have qualified if Scott had been in the team, then again we may not have. For Heavens sake, get a life and look at the positives from this SWC. The future looks better for Team GB at this moment in time and we should support those that were there, racing or not. Not keep harping on about who wasnt there and why. Typical of this forum, only posts that are allowed are 'it's all rosey in the garden, suck up to the riders' type of posts. Fair questions, constructive criticism is not allowed and people like you throw insults at people that dare to be negative. The fact is Nicholls was named squad captain, and therefore selected or not should have been there, bar injury or illness. The fact that his biggest fans in Pratson and Titsum did not mention him at all on Monday or Thursday says it all. Look at the praise Lee Richardson is getting for what he did Monday, had Nicholls done the same I for one would have got off his back and given him some well deserved praise, as it is I will continue to be critical, he is a poor excuse for a GP rider and a poor excuse for a Team GB squad player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfy Posted July 18, 2009 Report Share Posted July 18, 2009 Typical of this forum, only posts that are allowed are 'it's all rosey in the garden, suck up to the riders' type of posts. Fair questions, constructive criticism is not allowed and people like you throw insults at people that dare to be negative. The fact is Nicholls was named squad captain, and therefore selected or not should have been there, bar injury or illness. The fact that his biggest fans in Pratson and Titsum did not mention him at all on Monday or Thursday says it all. Look at the praise Lee Richardson is getting for what he did Monday, had Nicholls done the same I for one would have got off his back and given him some well deserved praise, as it is I will continue to be critical, he is a poor excuse for a GP rider and a poor excuse for a Team GB squad player. before you know the facts of what happened with scotty I would suggest your comparison between lee and Scott is unfair. wolfy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
refereerick Posted July 18, 2009 Report Share Posted July 18, 2009 Why do you think putting kids out against far superior oppostion is a good thing ? It certainly did Lewis Bridger no good at all , He was absolutely demoralised by the fact that he was so far off the pace and despite the "old boys" Rico and Bomber trying to raise his spirits spent most of the meeting with a face as long as a wet weekend . This is what you think is a good thing is it ? . The kids don't have good enough equipment, racecraft , backup or experience and losing races at world level will not put that right , kids don't become Crump Or Adams overnight and need to learn their craft at club level , and when they are beating the best in the world on a regular basis that's when they should be part of team GB .Errrr.....yes, its exactly what Bridger did by going from the Conference league straight into the Elite league as a 16 year old and look where it has got him in a couple of seasons he's become an Elite league heatleader on a 7.63 average and has now ridden in the SWC - not done too badly by riding against 'far superior opposition' has he? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehone Posted July 18, 2009 Report Share Posted July 18, 2009 for the people still going on about Scott Nicholls not being there last night, have a think about it .... there is a supposed rift between Nicholls and Harris isn't there. now, if Nicholls had been there in the pits don't you think that would have created friction? some of the team would have sided with Harris, some with Nicholls, and in turn that creates a divide. what Rob Lyon is trying to create first and foremost is a bit of harmony between the riders, a sense of working together and for eachother .. if you have riders ignoring eachother that's not going to happen. at Kings Lynn Rob has created a massive TEAM mentality, and it shows with riders that are there, riders you think might not be good will tend to come up trumps because they enjoy being part of what they do at KL. now, i know people will say Lyon has no experience dealing with EL riders, but he has plenty of experience dealing with speedway riders, and creating the right mindset for a rider is a massive part of the job, whatever team you're in charge of. last night you had English riders going out in each race with enthusiasm and balls, something thats been missing for a few years now, but this might just be the start of something good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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