linus Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 The future looks alright - with the squad from last night, Nicholls still not finished, Allen hoping to stay injury-free, and Ben Barker back from injury soon - good times ahead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frigbo Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 Its all very well to say that experience would be better gained in test matches, but against whom ? There simply isn't the scope for that, so if we are to blood our younger riders it has to be in the World Team Cup. That alone makes using picking Woffinden, Bridger, Kennett & King at the very least a sensible move. Why isn't there scope, you need to make scope. The Swedish and Polish leagues kick in later than ours and have less matches. A 3 match test series in Poland, Sweden, Denmark or elsewhere will bring these on and allow them to learn in a less pressured environment. It's in these sort of situations you should pick one or two experienced riders and a bunch of kids with potential. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emerald tyke Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 I doubt anyone on here would have predicted GB being in 2nd place in the meeting with only 3 heats to go. Think I was one of them!! Got carried away with how well it looked to be going for GB...I get to see so little LIVE Speedway these days Sky tv is my best mate!! Wonder will the Irish Track ever surface (pun not intended!)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gypilgrim Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 Whatever the rights and wrongs of who should be in charge you have hit the nail on the head and I have already said this in a previous post. This may have been a great experience and something to build on but HOW AND WHEN? The press reports and quotes from BSPA and Team GB Management will focus on the youth and how we are building for the future but unless any one has the balls to be pro-active then this 'team' will only meet again in 11 month time! - they wont be youthful then!!!! In these pess reports DONT tell us what we nearly did but DO tell us what the plans are to make sure this new look GB team will have the opportunity to move forward and do something amazing for 2010! Because that is now what we will be expecting. As I said in my earlier post (170), if anyone thinks we will win the World Cup in the next couple of years, even if Rosco or Jesus Christ Himself was in charge, they are deluding themselves. This week has been a small, but not insignificant, step along a lenghty and rocky road. We undoubtedly need plans and resources to keep up the younger team members's progress. The fiasco of the GB U-21 Team earlier this year shows that we cannot think about International Speedway in World Cup week and then quietly forget about for the other 51 weeks of the year. I hope that ALL of British speedway give Rob and his team all the support they need. If that means riders missing club meetings for International duties then NO whining from club officials and fans - we all have a part to play ! I would gladly pay an "International" surcharge of , say, 50p a meeting at my home track if this money was ring-fenced for young riders on International duty or at training camps in Europe etc . After all, they are representing MY country ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
linus Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 One thing I would like to see is, if Rob Lyon is going to stay as both British and Kings Lynn team manager, for KL to build their side around young English riders on the way, much in the way that Rye House traditionally do. It just looks silly to have the British team manager in charge of a side with just one British rider... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 But when exactly can Bridger and King put this instant improvement and experience into practice, next year's World Cup? - without continued exposure to this level of racing it will count for nothing. Riders like these should be cutting their teeth in Test Matches, not World Cups. Lyon needs to get off his jacksie and start arranging some, then they can progress to this level and continue to learn on a regular basis. Harris performed as he has for much of the season and Rico is enjoying his racing again and performing accordingly, he didn't suddenly produce this level of performance from a bit of Rob Lyon wisdom last night! On that we can agree.....quite how and when Test matches can be fitted in I'm not sure but they need to be. I accept that but I'm sure that Rob's management has squeezed extra points out of them both compared to Jim Lynch's approach last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandie Posted July 17, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 One thing I would like to see is, if Rob Lyon is going to stay as both British and Kings Lynn team manager, for KL to build their side around young English riders on the way, much in the way that Rye House traditionally do. It just looks silly to have the British team manager in charge of a side with just one British rider... Think i will pick up on this before someone does North of the Border. The Team is GB so why build our team around English riders. All parts of the British Isles should get a look in - even the Isle of Wight!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frigbo Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 On that we can agree.....quite how and when Test matches can be fitted in I'm not sure but they need to be. I accept that but I'm sure that Rob's management has squeezed extra points out of them both compared to Jim Lynch's approach last year. Jim Lynch could barely squeeze anything from a pimple to be fair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 I was one who didn't understand the appointment of Rob Lyon. However this week it has been clear to see that it was a great choice. The result might not have been good but everything else about Team GB has been improved incredibly since last year. It has been clearly stated that they are building for the future and that is exactly what this week has started to do. As a bit of a fan of Scott Nicholls I would have liked to have seen him there last night. It is understandable that he wasn't when given his current form and how his obvious lack of confidence may have affected the team as a whole. Through good times and bad his heart is on his sleeve for all to see, great when things are going well but could be disasterous for team spirit in a bad night. Hopefully he will soon come through this bad spell and an in-form Nicholls will again be an automatic choice. I thought Team GB were going to get hammered last night. Instead they were in contention and even Bridger and King were on the pace and will have learned a huge amount in two nights of racing. Maybe in 2011 or 2012 we will be in a position of having enough riders to make selection very difficult if Lyons is allowed to keep working away rather than sacked for not being instantly succesful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4elt Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 Firstly a great performance from Team GB last night. Against all the odds we almost made the final. I for one was not a believer in Robs decission to field such young riders with a lack of experience at the level required. However the level of comitment from all concerned was fantastic regardless of the fact that a couple could have scored a few more points. The experience they obtained from that meeting will be worth more than being part of the pit crew. Sure Scott could have been included. But he was not, and that is because love or loath him he has been way below par this year. I am a Nicholls fan and do believe he would have scored more points that two of the riders there last night but would that have been at a cost to the wonderful team spirit that was evident to all. One big question has to be why was Scott not in the pits last night? His experience at this level should be passed onto our youth if they are to gain maximum benefit at these meetings. You cant slate Lewis for breaking the tapes, the pressure he must have been feeling to perform got the better of him. You need to look no further than Scotty himself to remember a couple of big GP race where he himself has blasted the tapes when under pressure. As for Danny, AJ just sucked him in and done what he does best. He buried him in the dirt and that was the end of that. Both these boys will learn from these experiences and hopefully come back stronger both mentally and physically. Overall a great night of racing. Well done to all our boys and it was great to see some of the other youngsters in the pits backing them up as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 Why isn't there scope, you need to make scope. The Swedish and Polish leagues kick in later than ours and have less matches. A 3 match test series in Poland, Sweden, Denmark or elsewhere will bring these on and allow them to learn in a less pressured environment. It's in these sort of situations you should pick one or two experienced riders and a bunch of kids with potential. Very easy to say that. I can imagine there would be 100 reasons why the various countries authorities would be unwilling to organise such a series - not least of which would be riders getting injured in the first few weeks of the season. Could you see Tomasz Gollob, for example, riding in a test series against GB in Poland only weeks before the GP series starts ? No, neither can I. Its says everything that in the last 5 years or so the number of test matches can be counted on the fingers of one hand when, especially in this country, they would be a major money spinner. It is the way forward, I agree, but its just not going to happen so the SWC is the only option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fourentee Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 Maybe in 2011 or 2012 we will be in a position of having enough riders to make selection very difficult if Lyons is allowed to keep working away rather than sacked for not being instantly succesful. Peter Toogood stepped forward after Monday's match to back the Lyon long-term strategy, so that's hopeful. It read as proper backing rather than the dreaded football club chairman vote of confidence! And I was interested in Tai Woffinden's remark after Monday that they were in it "for the next three years rather than the next two matches". I was impressed when hearing Lyon at Ryton and have seen nothing subsequently to change my mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colincooke Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 (edited) Shame its only a THREE man team. Hatcham you're a fool, there's far more to being a team than what happens on the track, as we seen last night & on monday, or were'nt you actually watching. Watching Chris & Lee talking Lewis round after his chain snapped was brilliant to see, it was clear the lad was p***ed off with it but they calmed him down. There's only one sour note from last night & his name is Istvan Darago Edited July 17, 2009 by colincooke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedy den boy Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 Firstly well done to the GB team who tried so hard last night.BUT all this about blooding youngsters i judt dont agree with.Team GB should always put their strongest team out for the WTC.This is the WTC for christ sake,its not a practice for the real thing,this is the real thing!Im sure its a British thing saying splendid,bravo etc but you know whats going to happen 4 years down the line .Nothing.AGAIN this is nothing against the riders who tried their best its about doing things properly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ipswichwitches Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 One big question has to be why was Scott not in the pits last night? His experience at this level should be passed onto our youth if they are to gain maximum benefit at these meetings. Here's what I don't understand. A lot of people 'seem' to be blaming Nicholls for any bad team spirit that was around last year, with the persistent rumour that him and Harris didn't / don't get on. Then the same people criticise Nicholls for not being in the pits for the SWC. Surely if Nicholls is that bad an influence on team spirit within Team GB, why would he have been in the pits anyway? There seemed to be more than enough people in the pits to offer advice etc. Many more and it could have been 'too many chef's etc'. Team GB has a squad of 12, but I don't recall seeing all of those present, but only Nicholls absence get commented on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoTigers Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 Very easy to say that. I can imagine there would be 100 reasons why the various countries authorities would be unwilling to organise such a series - not least of which would be riders getting injured in the first few weeks of the season. Could you see Tomasz Gollob, for example, riding in a test series against GB in Poland only weeks before the GP series starts ? No, neither can I. Its says everything that in the last 5 years or so the number of test matches can be counted on the fingers of one hand when, especially in this country, they would be a major money spinner. It is the way forward, I agree, but its just not going to happen so the SWC is the only option. Have to say it's an interesting idea though. I don't think you will see Sweden, Poland, Australia or Denmark participating in something like that for several reasons. Injuries in the beginning of the season can ruin the whole year, they already seem to be doing a pretty good job of developing their young guys for big races and they probably aren't interested in helping the other teams get better. But maybe you could look towards Russia, the Czech Republic, Slovenia or the US instead. All of them have at least one good veteran who could be a good captain and teacher and a couple of young guys who seem willing to learn and could really benefit from a test series. The more teams that can legitimately go for the race off and finals, the more interesting the SWC is. Who would have thought 10-15 years ago that you would Sweden, Denmark, Australia and England fighting for just two spots in the final. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulco Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 Think i will pick up on this before someone does North of the Border. The Team is GB so why build our team around English riders. All parts of the British Isles should get a look in - even the Isle of Wight!!!!! To be fair , there is only one of us north of the border who gets his knickers in a twist over that . The rest of us are right behind the lads no matter what they are called . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandie Posted July 17, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 To be fair , there is only one of us north of the border who gets his knickers in a twist over that . The rest of us are right behind the lads no matter what they are called . And that is why you have my undying love and devotion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 To be fair , there is only one of us north of the border who gets his knickers in a twist over that . The rest of us are right behind the lads no matter what they are called . Yeah,and being fair to the original poster they were suggesting King's Lynn build as side based on young English talent,and why not?Don't want all them young Scottish riders leaving their home sides and going south,unless they are ready for the move into the EL.I think it makes sense for the Scottish teams to have the best Scots in their side for economical reasons at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulco Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 Yeah,and being fair to the original poster they were suggesting King's Lynn build as side based on young English talent,and why not?Don't want all them young Scottish riders leaving their home sides and going south,unless they are ready for the move into the EL.I think it makes sense for the Scottish teams to have the best Scots in their side for economical reasons at least. That generally is the case anyway . More often than not Glasgow and that other mob have at least two Scots in their septet . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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