Snyper1010 Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 Thats like bringing on a sub in football that aint allowed to take a shot at goal. The fact is a team should have a reserve who is there to step in if a) someone is injured or someone is underperforming. Maybe the ref could have a say in the teams chosen reserve. ie if Hans was nominated as the Danish reserve while being fully fit we would know there was a fiddle going on. Also ban the reserve from taking the "joker" ride. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 (edited) But what if a rider is injured in his first outing? Just have a reserve, who are allowed to take a maximum of FIVE riders for ANY reason, but only two rides per section of races. Also the reserve can't take the joker ride. That would stop any fiddling. All the best Rob Sort of agree. I'd just let the reserve have 5 rides anywhere. What the hell, let him have the last 5 rides of the meeting if you want. Probably not a good idea, but if that's the way the manager wants to play it then let him. That gets rid of the pretent injuries from a couple of years back, gives you cover for genuine injury, and allows a degree of tactics too. I'd get rid of the Joker completely. Embarassing, stupid and unfair to a team that takes a lead. Maybe the ref could have a say in the teams chosen reserve. ie if Hans was nominated as the Danish reserve while being fully fit we would know there was a fiddle going on. Also ban the reserve from taking the "joker" ride. Why? Let them put their best rider at reserve if they want. Make for some interesting tactics. GB, for example, could put Rico at reserve on Monday and just see how it goes. Edited July 12, 2009 by Grachan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarrenCook Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 It is obvious that reserves should be allowed for such an important event - just as a no.8 should be compulsory for any R/R league team - with up to 5 rides whether to cover injury or purely tactical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colincooke Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 just have a reserve who can take 5 rides no matter what! simples forgot this is speedway nothings simples No. No.No. This is exactly why reserves we're taken out in the 1st place, remember what the poles did in 2007. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snyper1010 Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 Can people forget what the poles did and just take a look at other sports. A sub is there to be used for what ever reason the manager decides. Why shouldnt a reserve rider be available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colincooke Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 (edited) Can people forget what the poles did and just take a look at other sports. A sub is there to be used for what ever reason the manager decides. Why shouldnt a reserve rider be available. Correct & subs are used during a fixture not bought in to replace another which is exactly my point Snyper. Edited July 12, 2009 by colincooke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snyper1010 Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 (edited) If a reserve is used it should only be when the rider he is replacing is not going to be riding again in that meeting and the reserve only covers that riders remaining outtings. Edited July 12, 2009 by Snyper1010 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RacerDon Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 Of course there should be reserves but straight like for like replacement after track injury only (sorry once meeting started no Walacekesque headaches brought on by two last places allowed). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snyper1010 Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 I dont agree that it should only be after injury. If someone isnt performing you should be allowed to change them just as you can in league meetings. But like i said it should be made so that its a straight swap. The reserve will only take the remaining programmed rides of the guy he has been swapped for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dexter Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 I would say it would make WC more interesting if reserves could be used at any time - not only to replace injured/withdrawn riders. It would allow coaches to show their tactical skills. It would be even worth to consider to put two reserves instead of one. All in all it is TEAM World Cup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabbit Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 Which would be fine, but it was abused last time as teams were naming damned good riders at reserve in order to use them in additonal races during the meeting due to dodgy withdrawals. As others have said, there is definitely a need to use reserves, but it has to be done so the facility can't be mis-used. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dexter Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 I don't agree. That's the tactics, makes everything more interesting. Besides, you can always work out appropriate regulations when reserves can be put in and when not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
essaitch Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 Which would be fine, but it was abused last time as teams were naming damned good riders at reserve in order to use them in additonal races during the meeting due to dodgy withdrawals. As others have said, there is definitely a need to use reserves, but it has to be done so the facility can't be mis-used. Agree entirely! But maybe the answer is to allow a reserve to be used at any time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frigbo Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 Reserves to be used any time but up to a maximum of 3 rides. There's no skill in allowing reserves to have 5 rides. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dexter Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 Why do you guys think it would be wrong to put top riders as reserves? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snyper1010 Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 As i have said to stop a top rider taking rides all over the card you simply only allow a straight swap. For example the Danish reserve would only of been allowed to take Nickis reamaining 2 rides. That would mean Denmark would of scored from the heat in which the Russian was excluded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J_D Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 Reserves should definately be allowed. Even if they were to put in a rule that the reserve must be under 21 or something, its better than not having a representative in some of the races, through no fault of your own. I agree. I was saying this last night. It would be a good way of blooding younger riders. As someone else said allow them 1 ride per session and upto a maximum of 5 rides. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snyper1010 Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 I agree. I was saying this last night. It would be a good way of blooding younger riders. As someone else said allow them 1 ride per session and upto a maximum of 5 rides. Can you imagine the uproar caused if Russia were allowed to use Emil as their reserve and put him in any heat they wanted? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwineTown Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 IMO take a squad of 7, each rider can have a maximum of 5 rides, minimum = 0, and the rest is up to the team manager. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wotnoaj Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 I agree with you Snyper. I mentioned on another thread last night that I think a sub should be allowed to take the place of an injured or underperforming rider, just as happens in any other team sport I can think of. No one can complain if its the same for everyone. Good to see you back by the way, now behave yourself! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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