CookieMonster Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 (edited) the question being asked after last night Edited July 12, 2009 by CookieMonster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hayley1311 Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 simple answer, Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salty Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 Clearly they should be when a country loses a rider like the Danes did last night. But if I remember right the 6th rider was done away with following teams abusing the facility a couple of years ago. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFatDave Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 Clearly they should be when a country loses a rider like the Danes did last night. But if I remember right the 6th rider was done away with following teams abusing the facility a couple of years ago. Hang on - this isn't going to turn into a Poole thread is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 as Henry said last night a reserve being used tactically is a better farce than a team having an incomplete team  but there has to be a way of making sure that using a reserve is a drop on what is already in the team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 Hang on - this isn't going to turn into a Poole thread is it? Â dont they all? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekker Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 No, the teams only have themselves to blame why there are none. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbie B Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 (edited) Of course ALL teams should be allowed reserves. Last night case was just one of many that has happened in the past, and it completely spoiled Denmark's chance of qualifying. But congratulations to Russia in getting to the final, I think that they deserved their victory. Â I do Hope Nicki is back racing again soon, whether you like him or not, I don't like too see any rider getting injured. Â Come on you BRITS Edited July 12, 2009 by Robbie B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pollyanna Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 QUOTE (Robbie B @ Jul 12 2009, 01:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Of course ALL teams should be allowed reserves. Last night case was just one of many that has happened in the past, and it completely spoiled Denmark's chance of qualifying. But congratulations to Russia in getting to the final, I think that they deserved their victory. I do Hope Nicki is back racing again soon, whether you like him or not, I don't like too see any rider getting injured.  Come on you BRITS   Not only last night - last year, the Aussies lost Crump in his first heat, so they were in the same situation.  If they do bring back having a reserve rider, there have to be stricter rules about their use because it was abused the last time. That is why it was stopped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeistsport Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 Yes of course there should be a reserve allowed, but he should only be allowed to ride as the result of a crash by a team mate who is too injured to continue. If anyone develops a case of "Joe Screen Shoulder", an injury that they "aggravate" during the meeting that they had before then tough t*t*y! That's the chance the team takes in selecting that rider in the first place! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colincooke Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 (edited) The answer is yes, but there must be certain guidelines as to how a reserve can be used, such as we seen last night. It must be very clear that a reserve can only be used if a rider becomes unfit to race during the meeting as the result of an incident. Edited July 12, 2009 by colincooke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenryW Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 The answer is yes, but there must be certain guidelines as to how a reserve can be used, such as we seen last night. It must be very clear that a reserve can only be used if a rider becomes unfit to race during the meeting as the result of an incident. Sorry, but would that not be even more ridiculous? Â Imagine a situation where a rider takes ill during the match and you then have to witness the farce of a team going without a rider despite them having a reserve standing there watching! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulr Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 The answer is yes, but there must be certain guidelines as to how a reserve can be used, such as we seen last night. It must be very clear that a reserve can only be used if a rider becomes unfit to race during the meeting as the result of an incident. Â Now, now - since when did speedway ever use common sense and logic like that ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomhaines Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 Why not allow a reserve rider, but once the reserve has taken the ride of a rider, they must take all that riders remaining rides, and no others (except TS rides). Therefore say Denmark had Korneliussen as a reserve, he could have taken Nicki's remaining 3 rides. Â Equally if a team wanted to use the system tactically they could. For example Australia could name Crump at 6, but he couldn't take a rider's first programmed ride but could for example replace Sullivan in his second ride. But from that point on Crump would replace Sullivan throughout the meeting. Â Making a reserve in effect take all the rides of the rider he replaces sort of negates any tactical advantage which could be made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posh Red Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 Simple answer has to be YES. Â The reserve should only be allowed to take ONE ride in each group of 5, and should not be allowed to ride for double points. Â Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 Let the reserve take 3 rides max to be used when a rider gets injured or as tactical move ...stops anyone cheating and also covers a injured rider ... Â Â Â Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 Let the reserve take 3 rides max to be used when a rider gets injured or as tactical move ...stops anyone cheating and also covers a injured rider ... Â But what if a rider is injured in his first outing? Just have a reserve, who are allowed to take a maximum of FIVE riders for ANY reason, but only two rides per section of races. Also the reserve can't take the joker ride. That would stop any fiddling. Â All the best Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 But what if a rider is injured in his first outing? Just have a reserve, who are allowed to take a maximum of FIVE riders for ANY reason, but only two rides per section of races. Also the reserve can't take the joker ride. That would stop any fiddling. All the best Rob   The unlikely event of a rider getting injured in his first heat you only miss one ride not really a big deal ....you idea would would just mean you could put your best rider there to pick and choose his rides the very reason it was stopped in the first place . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornishman Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 Reserves should definately be allowed. Even if they were to put in a rule that the reserve must be under 21 or something, its better than not having a representative in some of the races, through no fault of your own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 just have a reserve who can take 5 rides no matter what! simples forgot this is speedway nothings simples Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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