RPNY Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 (edited) Hardly knocking the guy for no reason is it? Turned his back on British speedway, returned only when his form was so poor he had no choice, throws tantrums on live TV by throwing his bike down, fighting with another rider at the British GP after he had took that rider right out to the fence and seemingly a no show to help his team mates out at the SWC. Is that enough for you Spook? Turned his back on British Speedway? After riding every season since '94, he made a decision that at the time he thought was right, as did a few others. He realised it was a mistake and came back. Have you never made a bad decision in your lifetime? Did you hold against Hans Nielsen, Sam Ermolenko, PK, Nikki, Crumpy and many others when they opted out of British Speedway? Loads of riders, (including Crump, Niki, Gollob I could go on) have temper tantrums so why you bring that up I dont know. And how you can say he was remotely in the wrong for the way he rode Emil into the fence is beyond me. I will agree that it seemed bad form that he wasnt in the pits with the boys last night, but we dont know the reasons for it.. Edited July 14, 2009 by Tex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wotnoaj Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 Hardly knocking the guy for no reason is it? Turned his back on British speedway, returned only when his form was so poor he had no choice, throws tantrums on live TV by throwing his bike down, fighting with another rider at the British GP after he had took that rider right out to the fence and seemingly a no show to help his team mates out at the SWC. Is that enough for you Spook? The old turned his back chestnut! Firstly, he didn't turn his back. His reasons were made perfectly clear, it's just the Nicholls bashers chose not to believe them. He throws tantrums, so what!? Him and dozens of other riders get the hump when things are going badly. Everyone does at some time surely? Don't see the big deal there. He shouldn't have got into the fight, but there were two people, more in fact, who were involved. It wouldn't even have started had Emil not kept on about it, there wasn't even an issue. It was hard, fair riding. As you said, seemingly a no show. In other words, you don't know the reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YorkshirePudding Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 was entertaining but we were never getting a win from the meeting. give it 3 or 4 years and team england i mean GB will be up there challenging for honours Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 Very well put Phil, The poles and Australians and Danny King made the meeting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 Keep up Bozzy, we had this debate week ago and in fairness to a lot of people on here, those that were critical a week ago have coem back on this thread and admitted they were wrong. So fair play to those users that have done that. Did i miss somethink the match i watched last night we got crushed by 20pts and most of the team were rubbish most of the people who were critical last week were correct . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liverpool chad Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 Fantastic meeting last night, excellent track that helped to create great racing from start to finish with the best team winning who now should win the whole tournament. Of our own boys, i think they gave it their best shot and you can't ask for any more than that. We all know they are not up to the required standards of Australia, Poland and the scandinavians or at least some of us do, I was stood on the back straight with some Rye House fans who were telling me how good Tai Woffinden was, and how he definitely was a future world champion. When i told them that i think this is as good as he will get and why i thought that, they said i should keep my thoughts to my self as i would end up with egg on my face. But for what its worth, here is my assessment of our boys. ED KENNETT; Lacks a bit of confidence and seams more concerned with what everybody else is doing on the track, lacks a bit of trackcraft. LEWIS BRIDGER; works hard and gives everything he has. Needs to calm down a bit in tricky situations and again lacks in track craft. CHRIS HARRIS; Our only rider who can constantly mix it with the worlds best on any track but was not on top form last night. TAI WOFFINDEN; Too cocky without the talent to back it up, not nearly good enough in this company. at best good second string in EL or 3rd heat leader. DANIEL KING; Our best rider on the night but in Leszno may find things tougher. maybe one for the future. I know this assessment may sound harsh but it is only my opinion and as i said they all give everything they had and let nobody down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabbit Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 I didn't see Joe Screen there either but I don't see anyone mentioning that. I wonder why? Actually, we thought we saw Screenie in the pits there at one stage last night. He was part of the squad to help out Loramski etc with advice for the youngsters... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 Did i miss somethink the match i watched last night we got crushed by 20pts and most of the team were rubbish most of the people who were critical last week were correct . Can you just answer me this one question me old whooooosher . Would using the best riders Britain have available at the moment, taken us straight through to the world cup final? If your answer is no.... what was wrong in using the riders Lyons selected as it would have mean't going to the race off anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blazeaway Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 Can you just answer me this one question me old whooooosher . Would using the best riders Britain have available at the moment, taken us straight through to the world cup final? If your answer is no.... what was wrong in using the riders Lyons selected as it would have mean't going to the race off anyway. Using our best available riders would have given us the best chance of going straight through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 Can you just answer me this one question me old whooooosher . Would using the best riders Britain have available at the moment, taken us straight through to the world cup final? If your answer is no.... what was wrong in using the riders Lyons selected as it would have mean't going to the race off anyway. Well we never know ? the one thing we know for sure we were sure were not going to with the team we put out . As i said before there we would be no world cup speedway and indeed no sport if everyone took the attitude we can't win so we are going to play our best players . Maybe next year in football West Ham or such like should play there youth team all year because after all the players they got are never going to win the league . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snyper1010 Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 C'mon, Snyper, you are giving us Scots a bad name! The team is Great Britain but all the riders in it are English (even Tai), so you can't really complain when some people mistakenly call the team, 'England'. Once we have a Scottish rider in the Great Britain team, (I hate this 'Team GB' title), THEN we can complain if it is called, 'England'. We used to have a separate Scotland team in FIM events, World Team Cup, World Best Pairs, (where we qualified for the World Final in Sweden) and we were recognized as a separate Speedway nation, but now the FIM says that we have to come under the 'Great Britain' banner. The goalposts have been moved since those heady days. To be recognized by the FIM, we need to haven FIM-approved track in Scotland and somehow I cannot see that happening, but there are still behind-the-scenes moves to try to get Scotland back into the qualifying rounds. Anyway, let's wish the BRITISH team, All The Best for Poland and try not to be too negative when a rider doesn't score as many points as you would like, this is World Championship Speedway and no-one can become an overnight sensation these days. Haggis i really dont care what the English guys score as im a Danish fan when it comes to international events and a Hans Andersen fan in GPs. So i dont criticise "team GBs" scoring as it doesnt affect me in the slightest. Im fully aware of the attempts you mention to get a Scottish team back on track and hope that one day soon we can see it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 Hardly knocking the guy for no reason is it? Turned his back on British speedway, returned only when his form was so poor he had no choice, throws tantrums on live TV by throwing his bike down, fighting with another rider at the British GP after he had took that rider right out to the fence and seemingly a no show to help his team mates out at the SWC. Is that enough for you Spook? well even if I was to agree with what is a biased viewpoint on some of those incidents ........they would still all be irrelevant Ashie ........ simply put we dont know why he wasnt there last night and we dont know who made the decision for him not to be there............... is it not a likely scenario that a mature decision was taken that if things had gone too far in the background to resolve quickly... that its best in the short term if he stays away? do YOU know the reason and who made the decision to so publically be slagging the guy down over this? a geat night of speedway, but lets take a reality check here. GB were extremely entertaining, but were they any good? err no! after heat 15 virtually picked up no points except against the slovians. take away for guaranteed third places and what are you left with? eddie of the pace beat no one tai off the pace beat no one bomber 1 good ride lewis 1 good ride danny king 2 good rides thats it 4 good heats out of 25, the odds that we will get into double figures in the playoff are not good. fantastic night thou! were they any good? 'good' is relative... and if the team was selected based on the future then that has to be kept in mind when defining 'good' If we are defining 'good' as the entire Polish team and as 95% of the Aussie performances then its a hell of a lot to live up to..............did we think that a team including Scott and Rico could deal with that? No of course not otherwise the youngsters wouldnt have been out I think ultimately it really was job done just from the point of experience............. tmc made a very good post today about it being about what the riders recognised/noticed/witnessed and how they are going to go about bridging the gap.............. I am certain that they will all recognise that their second bends were not good enough ...... that the machinery wasn't quite good enough...... and the machinery changes during the meeting werent good enough.... I am sure that the experience that they gained last night just cannot be gained elsewhere in such quantity one thing that I do think the team needs to be congratulated on is how well they gated last night..... as much as we love the racers we need to finally recognise the importance of gating to compete at this level regardless of how the track is prepared Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philfromcov Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 good is indeed relative, last 10 heats slovian 8 points team gb 10 points. yes they were better than last year, but then that means nothing. i say a great entertaining night fantatstic racing, but lets not paper of the cracks, we are at best 6th in the speedway world now, bottom of the second tier, just like last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 TAI WOFFINDEN; Too cocky without the talent to back it up, not nearly good enough in this company. at best good second string in EL or 3rd heat leader. I thought he just lacked speed on the night, he can mix it ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFatDave Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 i say a great entertaining night fantatstic racing, but lets not paper of the cracks, we are at best 6th in the speedway world now, bottom of the second tier, just like last year. Yep, the glory days of instant qualification to the final round and great British riders like Briggs, Mauger and Moore are long gone, but the foundations are being laid for the future and you can thank Rob Lyon and his happy, united band of kids for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 (edited) What a great advert for Speedway. I've been a fan for over forty years and I'm pressed to remember a better race than that between Matej Zagar and Jason Crump. A well-prepared track, courtesy of a decent drenching shower at about 1600 hrs followed by a drying wind, not to mention some sterling work by the locals, set the scene for a truly exciting event. The team spirit was evident earlier on at practise and continued throughout the day - I was most impressed with Rob Lyon's performance as Team GB manager; he's created a well-bonded group of young riders which can only bode well for the future. I just wish some of the armchair critics would get off his back and give him the credit he deserves, but then judging by some of the comments on this thread the Whingeing Poms are in the majority on this forum - sometimes I truly doubt if many of them actually know what's involved with Speedway judging by their ill-informed diatribes, let alone whether they leave their keyboards and attend any meetings. It was good during practise to be able to observe at close quarters the way the four teams set themselves for the day. The easy-going attitude of Team Oz masking a fierce determination to win; the inner strength of the Slovenians aware they were on a hiding to nothing but set to show their best; the disciplined Polish side on a mission to succeed on foreign soil in front of their many British-based fans and last but definitely not least Team GB on a team-building exercise that not only proved fruitful but points to better days ahead. On a negative note I thought the ref was a bit harsh excluding Tomasz Gollob as the last race was held up for some considerable time by the antics of a genuine Wally and the ineffective efforts of Track Security to apprehend him speedily enough - I'm sure Tomasz would have been apprehensive of bodily harm from the potty Polish trespasser, and for me the whole episode took the gloss off what otherwise was a flawless meet. It was wonderful to catch up with so many old acquaintances and make many new friends - but onward and upward to Leszno I reckon, and hopefully I'll see a few of you there. Top post Dave and I agree with everything you said. We are in trouble of imploding with some of the tossspots on here who have to try and drag a sport down that they pretend to love. Not on for me. Aussies back Aussies but we just moan. Why the hell the likes of orion write on here, cos he just wastes space on here. Team GB did great tonight with the right team selection, the right team manager and the right team setup. Thank god for Buster who produced a gem of a track which changed quite regularly and made the riders work their setups. The performance of our Brits surpassed what I though we would especially our Jason's brother. Great experience but I still think we will come in last on Thursday. Never mind, it will be useful experience again and I would put Lee R in instead of Kennet but not Nichols. This could be the start of something but we have to patient and that's coming from a TOON fan. The meeting was a great advert for speedway and I have met non speedway people today who looked at it and were greatly impressed. This meeting should be prescribed by the Doctors for sick people. BTW Hope you enjoyed your seemingly World tour which must have been a great experience for you and I am sure it has made some of us quite jealous. Have a great trip to Poland and a safe return to OZ. Pity we didn't meet perhaps next time. Edited July 14, 2009 by Tsunami Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 (edited) Using our best available riders would have given us the best chance of going straight through. Of course. The world cup isn't the place for testing new blood to replace aging stock, but what other opportunites are the BSPA exploring to cover the gaps. The GP scene is one, testing Wild Cards at Cardiff and arranging test matches, the later probably difficult these days with rider commitments etc. I'm sure we all agree that they should do more. There just might be riders out there now, like in the past that flourish riding for Team GB. Naff at individual level, but like Danny King stepped up to the plate under pressure.. not a world star admittedly, but capable all the same. How will we flush out these riders? Peterborough was that opportunity, a classic example was it Phil Brown (the name escapes me) the 4x400 metre relay runner, not really that good as an individual runner, but as a team runner under real pressure.... completely world class. I'm sure there are British speedway equivalents to. Edited July 14, 2009 by Deano Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 (edited) Using our best available riders would have given us the best chance of going straight through. Which still would of been zero. TeamGB management used their brains and came up with a good sensible solution and you and orion still don't see it. That fits. Edited July 14, 2009 by Tsunami Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snapper-racing.co.uk Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 Yep, the glory days of instant qualification to the final round and great British riders like Briggs, Mauger and Moore are long gone, but the foundations are being laid for the future and you can thank Rob Lyon and his happy, united band of kids for that. Brilliant - says it how it is really. Now wish the "REAL" foundations we're put in place and venues like Scunny, Sittingbourne etc we're given support by the Authorities, and that British riders of ALL levels were actually helped to develop in their own country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newbieoldboy Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 Yep, the glory days of instant qualification to the final round and great British riders like Briggs, Mauger and Moore are long gone, Nice one BFD but don't forget Collins, Lee, Jessup, et al l Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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