jgl07 Posted July 25, 2009 Report Share Posted July 25, 2009 On the home track advantage arguement: had the 4TT been held at Armadale is there any doubt who would have won? You could use the same logic for a 4TT held at Berwick or Redcar. Newcastle maybe we are taking things too far? For me the demise of the 4TT qualifiers was the big loss of teh Speedway season. Friday at Armadale, Saturday at Berwick, Sunday at Glasgow and Monaday at Glasgow was near perfection for a long weekend. If there was a four team out of five rule applied Workington could be incorporated into the qualifiers. There was always great support, superb atmosphere. Bring it back with the finals at a neutral (EL) track Peterborough or Wolverhampton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmiddlesbrough Posted July 25, 2009 Report Share Posted July 25, 2009 one of the reasons i didnt go today was because it was at workington, not that i have anything against their track i actually like visiting the place but these events must go back to being neutral, the home of the fours is peterboro. i also think that any other event like this should be moved like the pairs from somerset. congrats to workington for winning but then again i wouldnt of expect anything else Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted July 25, 2009 Report Share Posted July 25, 2009 On the home track advantage arguement: had the 4TT been held at Armadale is there any doubt who would have won? You could use the same logic for a 4TT held at Berwick or Redcar. Newcastle maybe we are taking things too far? For me the demise of the 4TT qualifiers was the big loss of teh Speedway season. Friday at Armadale, Saturday at Berwick, Sunday at Glasgow and Monaday at Glasgow was near perfection for a long weekend. If there was a four team out of five rule applied Workington could be incorporated into the qualifiers. There was always great support, superb atmosphere. Bring it back with the finals at a neutral (EL) track Peterborough or Wolverhampton. Two home legs for the Tiggers?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted July 25, 2009 Report Share Posted July 25, 2009 If we are going to use neautral tracks for all these events, does that mean that the pl riders championship will be moved from Sheffield and the pairs from Somerset?? I don't think I've ever seen one complaint about the Pairs at Somerset except from Newport fans. The three times it's been held at Somerset, it's always produced good ENTERTAINMENT and Somerset havn't ever won it even when we've had the likes of Zetterstrom, Doyle, Johnston and Kramer in the side. Sheffield still seems a good venue for the PLRC in my eyes, but I wish the Fours would be moved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellers101 Posted July 25, 2009 Report Share Posted July 25, 2009 On the home track advantage arguement: had the 4TT been held at Armadale is there any doubt who would have won? You could use the same logic for a 4TT held at Berwick or Redcar. Newcastle maybe we are taking things too far? For me the demise of the 4TT qualifiers was the big loss of teh Speedway season. Friday at Armadale, Saturday at Berwick, Sunday at Glasgow and Monaday at Glasgow was near perfection for a long weekend. If there was a four team out of five rule applied Workington could be incorporated into the qualifiers. There was always great support, superb atmosphere. Bring it back with the finals at a neutral (EL) track Peterborough or Wolverhampton. Trust me if the 4TT was held at Redcar we wouldn't win it. Too many other riders enjoy the place! If we are going to run with the 4TT would prefer to see the qualifiers back like we used to have in the good old days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellers101 Posted July 25, 2009 Report Share Posted July 25, 2009 I don't think I've ever seen one complaint about the Pairs at Somerset except from Newport fans. The three times it's been held at Somerset, it's always produced good ENTERTAINMENT and Somerset havn't ever won it even when we've had the likes of Zetterstrom, Doyle, Johnston and Kramer in the side. Sheffield still seems a good venue for the PLRC in my eyes, but I wish the Fours would be moved. Sheffield for the PLRC. Wilson and Compton (Of the Andre variety) need I say more? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king Posted July 25, 2009 Report Share Posted July 25, 2009 Sheffield for the PLRC. Wilson and Compton (Of the Andre variety) need I say more? And the last two occasions it has been Magnus Zetterstrom and Tai Woffenden,out 9 PLRC meetings Sheffield have provided 4 winners Sean Wilson three and Andre Compton once, I would not say that proves home track adavatage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellers101 Posted July 25, 2009 Report Share Posted July 25, 2009 And the last two occasions it has been Magnus Zetterstrom and Tai Woffenden,out 9 PLRC meetings Sheffield have provided 4 winners Sean Wilson three and Andre Compton once, I would not say that proves home track adavatage. 4 out of 9 is still a good result for Sheffield that no doubt wouldn't have been repeated had the event been held on a neutral track. Just not a fan of a rider or team having an unfair advantage thats all, just kind of spoils things for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hules Posted July 25, 2009 Report Share Posted July 25, 2009 I have a suggestion,why not make it a speedway festival like,Somerset[pairs-Friday]Cardiff[GP-Sat]Newport[4TT-Sunday] that way you have a chance of getting some Elite league supporters as well as cutting down a lot of travelling. I haven't been to any of these tracks but it could make for a good weekend & a few sore heads Then you could maybe have either Coventry/Birmingham/Wolverhampton along with Cardiff the following year As I say just a thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Doctor... Posted July 25, 2009 Report Share Posted July 25, 2009 I have a suggestion,why not make it a speedway festival like,Somerset[pairs-Friday]Cardiff[GP-Sat]Newport[4TT-Sunday] that way you have a chance of getting some Elite league supporters as well as cutting down a lot of travelling. I haven't been to any of these tracks but it could make for a good weekend & a few sore heads Then you could maybe have either Coventry/Birmingham/Wolverhampton along with Cardiff the following year As I say just a thought. With all respect i don't think Newport is the best place really. The problem is that the promoters have to actually bid for the meetings, and if there is no take up for them, then its always going to go to tracks like Workington who know that they'll get a saturday night crowd, hence they put a bid in to get the meeting - they're hot favourites and the fans in the town know they're pretty much onto a winner no matter how crap their league season has been. Lots of fickle home fans wanting to see a win = Easy money in the bank. The Sunday 4TT's at Peterborough gave me some of my happiest memories in speedway so i'm a little biased, but it really was a the perfect place i think - big open spaces for those people wanting to have bbq's in the car parks, plenty of bars, wide open terraces, and a decent track not too far from every corner of the country. And Roman Matousek throwin punches at people on the back straight....ah happy days Under the current format of bidding for events, it will never go back to Peterborough unless they start to get a few quid in the bank, or unless the old super7 team realise they're going to lose fans by having it at the same old tracks year in year out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midnight_Lady Posted July 25, 2009 Report Share Posted July 25, 2009 If we are going to use neautral tracks for all these events, does that mean that the pl riders championship will be moved from Sheffield and the pairs from Somerset?? The only difference being is that although the pairs is held at Somerset home advantage doesn't appear to come in to it as Somerset have not won the Pairs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hules Posted July 26, 2009 Report Share Posted July 26, 2009 With all respect i don't think Newport is the best place really. The problem is that the promoters have to actually bid for the meetings, and if there is no take up for them, then its always going to go to tracks like Workington who know that they'll get a saturday night crowd, hence they put a bid in to get the meeting - they're hot favourites and the fans in the town know they're pretty much onto a winner no matter how crap their league season has been. Lots of fickle home fans wanting to see a win = Easy money in the bank. The Sunday 4TT's at Peterborough gave me some of my happiest memories in speedway so i'm a little biased, but it really was a the perfect place i think - big open spaces for those people wanting to have bbq's in the car parks, plenty of bars, wide open terraces, and a decent track not too far from every corner of the country. And Roman Matousek throwin punches at people on the back straight....ah happy days Under the current format of bidding for events, it will never go back to Peterborough unless they start to get a few quid in the bank, or unless the old super7 team realise they're going to lose fans by having it at the same old tracks year in year out. I understand they have to bid which counts out Peterborough,so here's another suggestion to keep it nuetral,how about it goes to a teams track that did not qualify ie on this occasion say Stoke.With BSPA's backing surely they could put on a show,it's a Saturday track and has had good racing.as I say just a thought Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porterpoolie Posted July 26, 2009 Report Share Posted July 26, 2009 Nen nerr nerr nerr Knob, Dowling is a knob, is a knob Dowling is a knob. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warm&Cosy Posted July 26, 2009 Report Share Posted July 26, 2009 (edited) just home from this, was an ok meeting but the track was to slick in the end, well done to workington but anybody who did not think they were going to win was dillusional rymel Compton doolan and lawson round their own patch come on, this type of meeting should be held on a neutral track IMO, one thing really bugged me was the track waterer, when he came out to water the track all he did was drive right round the boards on bend 1 and 2 where no rider was ever gona be that far out, what was the point Edited July 26, 2009 by Warm&Cosy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whippy Posted July 26, 2009 Report Share Posted July 26, 2009 (edited) Glasgow to the East of England Showground is 320 miles - just to let you know!! what guarantee Glasgow will be in the 4's But you get my drift............it needs to be somewhere central for everyone whether they have a team to support or not. Any suggestions for a neutral track anyone? The Sunday 4TT's at Peterborough gave me some of my happiest memories in speedway so i'm a little biased, but it really was a the perfect place i think - big open spaces for those people wanting to have bbq's in the car parks, plenty of bars, wide open terraces, and a decent track not too far from every corner of the country. And Roman Matousek throwin punches at people on the back straight....ah happy days biggrin.gif Me too. Do you remember the greenfly invasion. Edited July 26, 2009 by whippy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whippy Posted July 26, 2009 Report Share Posted July 26, 2009 I have a suggestion,why not make it a speedway festival like,Somerset[pairs-Friday]Cardiff[GP-Sat]Newport[4TT-Sunday] that way you have a chance of getting some Elite league supporters as well as cutting down a lot of travelling. I haven't been to any of these tracks but it could make for a good weekend & a few sore heads Then you could maybe have either Coventry/Birmingham/Wolverhampton along with Cardiff the following year As I say just a thought. Newport is a definite no no, once was quite enough thank you. Not interested in Cardiff either. Would need to take out a loan to cover all three in one go :o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted July 26, 2009 Report Share Posted July 26, 2009 Well done to Workington on their win,went into the meeting as favourites and took the trophy with ease winning eight of the twelve races in the Final. I agree with everyone about holding this meeting on a neutral track,if we are to hold it at Workington again or another PL track then can we please bring back the qualifiers as then the host team will have to qualify as of right and not be there just because they are host track. Either that or go for a neutral track in the EL.Peterborough have held it before as has Coventry so hopefully the powers that be will look at it,not taking anything away from Workington last night on a well deserved win. For my own team,Berwick,nobody gave us much of a chance so to get to the Final was an achievement in itself and in the Final we were always in with a shout of a rostrum place but it wasnt to be.Well done to all the riders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marko61 Posted July 26, 2009 Report Share Posted July 26, 2009 I totally agree,it was only yesterday i said to my friend about the same thing pl meeting like the 4`s pairs plrc etc should all be run on elite league tracks and visa versa then nobody should have a home track advantage its the only fair way to do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanisnumber1 Posted July 26, 2009 Report Share Posted July 26, 2009 Well done to Worky on winning the fours and looks like Andre coming back into form!! I agree that the fours should be moved to Coventry or Peterborough to make it better entertainment and not have any home track advantage!! Regarding the argument about the PLRC and Pairs..I can guarantee Ricky Ashworth probably wont win the PLRC this season because there are too many riders who can ride Sheffield and will give it there all (Darcy Ward, Tomas Topinka, Kevin Doolan, Michal Makovsky, Ty Proctor) to name a few. The Pairs is a great meeting staged at Somerset and provides some of the best racing around..maybe not as good this season as last year but it is all about the Cardiff weekend and Somerset is a major part of it for PL fans!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadders Posted July 26, 2009 Report Share Posted July 26, 2009 (edited) Derwent Park is renowned for being a gaters paradise....... and it didn't disappoint Pretty rubbish meeting in my opinion ..... the final had ONE pass I remember during the whole twelve heats ..... One or two entertaining riders including Ryan Fisher, Steve Johnston and Robert Mear in the last qualifying heat. Rye deserved nothing, being the only one of the eight teams who didn't win a single heat!! I'm not going into the home advantage debate, that's been done to death and will sound like sour grapes, the Rockets wouldn't have won it on any track except our own anyway..... Seems pretty obvious that when a home team has one of the biggest advantages in ANY sport that neutral tracks are the answer. I was warned that the back straight at Worky had a reputation, but it turned out do be ten or twelve beered up young lads singing a few songs, pretty sad lot really ..... My theory that because they have no decent football teams to support they use the speedway as a Saturday evening excuse to let off steam ..... My guess is you'll NEVER see them at an away meeting ..... I was told they were much quieter this time, may have been something to do with them being surrounded by Monarchs fans ....cowards Edited July 26, 2009 by Shadders Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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