Snyper1010 Posted June 29, 2009 Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 And have you been around the whole 42,000 in the stadium and done a poll? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sancho Posted June 29, 2009 Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 You have to be one of a very few people who think the referee got it right. Sorry Speedi I am a Bomber fan & as soon as it happened I thought Bomber would be out hoped for all 4 back but just wishful thinking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srbramble Posted June 29, 2009 Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 And have you been around the whole 42,000 in the stadium and done a poll? We are still waiting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snyper1010 Posted June 29, 2009 Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 Im still waiting for your apology Bramble so looks like we are in the same boat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedUnitedUnited Posted June 29, 2009 Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 made me laugh, people were cheering for hans before the semi, bomber goes down, admits it was his fault, yet most the deluded british fans boo him, what a joke you all are who did that! and Nicki dropped it on Hans in that first corner, he knew he would get all 3 back, and he was hoping to make a better start, but didnt, and the ref made a right decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srbramble Posted June 29, 2009 Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 Im still waiting for your apology Bramble so looks like we are in the same boat. Stop dodging the question. I'll apologise if only to hear your explanation of events. That is, if you have anything that makes sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snyper1010 Posted June 29, 2009 Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 What question Bramble? Seems to me there have been 2 English already on this thread saying Harris had to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srbramble Posted June 29, 2009 Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 (edited) What question Bramble? Seems to me there have been 2 English already on this thread saying Harris had to go. Thats their opinion. Whats yours, and how did you see it, and why do you think Hans was innocent? Edited June 29, 2009 by srbramble Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted June 29, 2009 Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 (edited) You have to be one of a very few people who think the referee got it right. nope I believe the ref made the only decision he could as well...... I think the circumstances were unlucky for Bomber but thats something entirely different first things first it was bend 2 so that rules out any chance of a restart with all riders...... just as per crump/jonsson secondly hans was not out of control (just like Crump) which is an important consideration for a ref................ sure he had slammed the anchors on but that was because of someone in front of him.... ie Hans had the sense to make sure he didnt take someone off thirdly it was bomber's (and Jonsson's) responsibility to get around the bend without wiping someone out and this didnt happen the only thing in Bomber and Jonsson's favour with the ref was the consideration of how Andersen and Crump came off their bikes........ Crump had a man in front of him with the anchors on (who at the time jason was trying to position himself inside of) while at the same time he was slammed into from the side........... imo he did the most sensible thing and kicked his bike away otherwise Jonsson's shove was going to land him in the back of the guy infront potentially causing some cartwheeling........................................... Andersen was much more like a Nielsen professional slide off...... actually thats an insult to Neilsen as he never made it look so obvious....... but the fact remains that Andersen had himself just managed to avoid a collision and this I think was the key consideration for the ref as Bomber decided to try to pass instead of slamming anchors on himself the only decision the ref got wrong was the NickiP one where a dogs dinner was made out of what should have been a simple all 3 back p.s. and full credit to Bomber for being one of the few riders this season to not try to skin the ref over something that was his fault......... the riders are more to blame for the discussions over refs than anyone else Edited June 29, 2009 by spook Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snyper1010 Posted June 29, 2009 Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 Well Spook says it well still a little hard on Hans' part in it all if you ask me though. Mind you no matter what i say it will be called bias as im a Hans fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted June 29, 2009 Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 (edited) thats because it is bias there are a few riders who will expoit the rules and the position that refs find themselves in amongst the rules ...... ie these riders see it as a skill to be implimented on track (sic)................. I think it would be disingenuous if you were to say you didnt recognise Hans as being one of them ultimately while the rules are the way they are then the rules are the rules ................ but to say it is a little hard on Hans when we all saw what a mess he made of trying to swan dive is a bit of a joke tbh Edited June 29, 2009 by spook Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snyper1010 Posted June 29, 2009 Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 Spook as you say riders will try and get what they can from races. Hans as you say had a rider lock up ahead of him so if Hans hadnt went down he would of lost places. The fact is there was still contact from Harris meaning the decision was correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedibee Posted June 29, 2009 Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 We are still waiting. yes I did an exit poll and made sure I got each and every one of the 4200 including Sam Ermolenko,Mark Loram , Keith Heuwen, Chris Louis. Now surely 42002 people can't be wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snyper1010 Posted June 29, 2009 Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 Well then the ref, myself United and Spook not to mention a certain guy called CHRIS HARRIS must be wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedUnitedUnited Posted June 29, 2009 Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 Well then the ref, myself United and Spook not to mention a certain guy called CHRIS HARRIS must be wrong. surely not? TBH....people 6 foot under could see Bomber took his front wheel away Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted June 29, 2009 Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 (edited) Spook as you say riders will try and get what they can from races. Hans as you say had a rider lock up ahead of him so if Hans hadnt went down he would of lost places. The fact is there was still contact from Harris meaning the decision was correct. the point was that what I posted about Hans part of the incident was not hard.... and that Hans is one of a few riders who not only 'try to get what they can from' incidents..... but they have actually made it part of their repertoire this I believe is why so many people think that the decision was wrong because he made it too obvious that this was one of those times ................... no matter who is who's favourite rider this kind of 'skill' is not widely supported......... it is after all no better than a footballer who leaps into a swan dive after an opponent caught his ankle........ unnecessary but trying to leave the ref in no position other than to give a foul............................ the strange thing when it is applied in speedway though is that it actually clouds the issue and can go the other way Imo this is something mostly exercised by the Danes and i'm not sure if it is part of their famed teaching or just something that has caught on amongst some of them but I believe if anything it gets them focussing on the wrong things and they start riding the man instead of the track...... Hans has particularly been like a moth to a flame with this over the years and his best GP season was when he seemingly stopped doing it...................... NickiP has started doing it this season and the results are there to be seen..... plenty of incidents and he is losing points as a result Edited June 29, 2009 by spook Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted June 29, 2009 Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 yes I did an exit poll and made sure I got each and every one of the 4200 including Sam Ermolenko,Mark Loram , Keith Heuwen, Chris Louis. Now surely 42002 people can't be wrong You are so wrong. Bomber had to go. No ifs, buts or maybes. He took Andersens wheel away and that was that. A shame but for some of th crowd to boo Andersen was farcical. Harris made the error not Hans. And personally I wanted the ref to call it wrong and put Bomber through but it was never going to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snyper1010 Posted June 29, 2009 Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 I dont think Hans is as bad at it as your making out. His wheel was hit. How hard only Hans can know for sure. Would Hans had stayed on had he been leading? i dont think so i think he was genuinely left with no where to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedUnitedUnited Posted June 29, 2009 Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 You are so wrong. Bomber had to go. No ifs, buts or maybes. He took Andersens wheel away and that was that. A shame but for some of th crowd to boo Andersen was farcical. Harris made the error not Hans. And personally I wanted the ref to call it wrong and put Bomber through but it was never going to happen. Shocking as this will sound....I agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted June 29, 2009 Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 I dont think Hans is as bad at it as your making out. His wheel was hit. How hard only Hans can know for sure. Would Hans had stayed on had he been leading? i dont think so i think he was genuinely left with no where to go. bad? thats quite a general word... what do you mean? are you saying that he isnt one of the few riders in the series who specifically and consistently look for incidents such as these and to exploit the way the rules are set? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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